The Bush Thread

[StorminNorman]

I'm not lecturing anyone. That being said, I would encourage you to add something substantive to the conversation or avoid it. The political forum is not a place to chime in with one off sarcastic pot shots.

Why not? Politics is made for sarcastic pot shots.

 

[The Overlord]

And the 17 UN Resolutions they broke.

Do you even like the UN?

Bush sold the war on WMDS, not this, using this as the justification now is bait and switch, because there is no way the American public would have supported an invasion of this scale for that reason.

 

[Marx]

REPRESENTATIVE HINCHEY: 'BUSH INTENTIONALLY LET BIN LADEN GET AWAY TO JUSTIFY IRAQ WAR'
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[Hobgoblin]

The war in Afghanistan was carelessly planned and rushed. We obviously could have sent a lot more troops there than we did. We were arrogant in how we went about the war, expecting it to be over quickly. These were just primitives in caves, after all. And yes, I would say we were sparring man power to invade Iraq. But intentionally let bin Laden escape? Nuh uh.

Bush said it himself. He didnt put much thought into bin Laden anymore. Iraq was the new focus and al Qaida was seen as so marginalized as to no longer be a danger. Careless? Yes. Intentional? No.

 

[Nivek]

I don't have a high opinion of the Bush Administration and think in many ways they did more damage to this country than Al Quada ever hoped to do, but I'm not a Tin Foil Hat that thinks they were behind 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks. I also do not want to believe that they had Bin Laden in their sights, and let him get a pass so they would have a reason to Invade Iran. I don't want to think the promise of taking Osama down "Dead or Alive" to the families of the Victims was trumped because they needed an "in" to pick a fight with Iraq.

That said, if any evidence to the contrary shows up (like the Valarie Plame crap) I will want all their heads on a Pike.

 

[Nivek]

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[Bathead]

I'm no fan of Bush by any means, but even I have to call BS on this one. What I would like to ask him is does he have any hard evidence, or is this just biased conjecture? I suspect the latter. I mean, does nayone really believe Bush wouldn't have taken Bin Laden down if he had the chance, and be known in history as the man who took down both Bin Laden AND Hussein? His huge ego wouldn't have allowed it.

 

[bell110]

REPRESENTATIVE HINCHEY: 'BUSH INTENTIONALLY LET BIN LADEN GET AWAY TO JUSTIFY IRAQ WAR'
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See, this is the news story that should be in the headlines. Not climategate and not the party crashers. After years of the republicans blaming Clinton for not getting Osama, this information comes out.

Also, I'd like to point out how unFox-like MSNBC is acting with this. Fox would have hammered Obama if the roles were reversed.

 

[VampElvis]

Bigger than party crashers? Yes.
Bigger than Climategate? I say no way Jose.
As for MSNBC, when did this break (can't watch it at work). My point being if it's less than a week old the jury is still out.

 

[bell110]

America's biggest enemy is just falls through our grasp? If it wasn't intentional, which I would not put past Bush, it makes our military look like a bunch of dunderheads. This is much bigger than climategate.

 

[Raiden]

I hope the truth will eventually come out re: Bush and Bin Laden.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Yes, Hussein was a brutal dictator, but it's frankly not our job to go around deposing brutal dictators, unless we're also going to go overthrow the Iranian and North Korean regimes, who had about as much to do with 9/11 as Hussein did.

Saddam Hussein was as much as placed in power by the U.S government. Make no mistake, this republic of ours is imperialist and with that comes the responsibility for the actions of those whom you've given power. Anyone who begins a line of reasoning with the concession "Yes, he was a brutal dictator" or "Yes, he was a bad guy" can't have possibly lived under a regime like the one we were complicit in visiting upon the Iraqi people. Such a person can not truly understand the horror. Bush and co. completely mishandled the execution of the war and the defense for it, but that does not change the fact that we were long overdue in paying our debt for what we caused in that country.

 

[Nivek]

Saddam was not our issue, till Bush made him our issue.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Saddam was not our issue, till Bush made him our issue.

This opinion frankly ignores history among other things. Just because a person doesn't know or chooses to ignore the fact that he has cancer does not mean he doesn't have it.

 

[bell110]

So repaying our debt is killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and blowing up their country?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

So repaying our debt is killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and blowing up their country?

Please, if you're going to go the humor/sarcastic route at least show some talent and originality. At the very least pay attention. I've already referenced Bush and co. screwing up in Iraq in my original post. This was never going to be an easy fix, such is the case when you deal in imperialism. The CIA calls it blowback I believe. Unintended consequences are often the worst kind to deal with.

 

[Marx]

While I am not a fan of Bush (in the least,) I do not believe that he would intentionally let Bin Laden escape. Was it careless and irresponsible to 'outsource' the job at Tora Bora to Afghan warlords? Absolutely.

 

[Shemtov]

George Bush isn't stupid. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make him stupid.
Sure, he speaks weird. But maybe he's nervous. I would be nervous too, if I was the president after 9/11.
Sure he sent the troops into Iraq when he didn't have to. But he believed he did; he made a mistake that's all.

 

[Kurosawa]

While I am not a fan of Bush (in the least,) I do not believe that he would intentionally let Bin Laden escape. Was it careless and irresponsible to 'outsource' the job at Tora Bora to Afghan warlords? Absolutely.

They blew two shots at him there when they refused to send in helicopters.

 

[Addendum]

George Bush isn't stupid. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make him stupid.
Sure, he speaks weird. But maybe he's nervous. I would be nervous too, if I was the president after 9/11.
Sure he sent the troops into Iraq when he didn't have to. But he believed he did; he made a mistake that's all.

Ah, so it's a matter of apologizing to the dead then

 

[Kurosawa]

Ah, so it's a matter of apologizing to the dead then

Just tell 'em nobodies perfect. Who cares if they die and the money wasted there destroys the economy and makes the US Property of Communist China.

 

[Kelly]

They blew two shots at him there when they refused to send in helicopters.

That was not a part of what the coalition forces signed on for....they stayed exactly with the mandate that all signed on to...you may not agree with the mandate, but that is how he got as many from other countries involved as he did.

 

[Schlosser85]

George Bush isn't stupid. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make him stupid.

I don't consider Bush stupid because I disagree with him, I consider him stupid because he can't speak his own language, makes up words when he talks, and said he could tell it was the budget "because it had a lot of numbers in it".

 

[Kurosawa]

That was not a part of what the coalition forces signed on for....they stayed exactly with the mandate that all signed on to...you may not agree with the mandate, but that is how he got as many from other countries involved as he did.

And that's why war and politics don't mix. We've been half-assing wars for decades now and all it does it get our guys killed and our objectives unfulfilled.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't consider Bush stupid because I disagree with him, I consider him stupid because he can't speak his own language, makes up words when he talks, and said he could tell it was the budget "because it had a lot of numbers in it".

Go try to get a degree from Harvard and Yale.