BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 1

[queendarkness12]

That's a question that can only be answered by watching the movie. But what other force do you reckon would be a reason to bring Wondie, Supes and Bats together?

I have an idea to the Trinity battle debate.

The World Engine's has broken the magical defenses of the Greek underworld, allowing the monsters, minotaurs and other creatures to escape and cause a lot of chaos and trouble.

It can be a plausible way to getting Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman fighting the same battle, this can also give a little preview into Wonder Woman's fantasy world.

Maybe, a cameo from Aquaman giving a little bit of assistance.

 

[Vaibow]

I just can't see how they can handle a secret world for WW and AM's origins in this real world...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I just can't see how they can handle a secret world for WW and AM's origins in this real world...

One is at the bottom of the Ocean and one is protected by the magic of mythological gods. What's the problem with suspension of disbelief here exactly? Especially in the world where we already have the totally human looking alien that flies under his own power? Cuz... That isn't realistic.. Verisimilitude is about presentation, it's not about adhering to some ideal of 1000% "realism".

 

[GL's Light]

Secret worlds for Wonder Woman and Aquaman are actually easier to sell than a veteran Batman, with eye-popping vehicles, who has remained in the shadows.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Aquaman lives under water. 80% of the oceans are undiscovered

as for Wonder Woman, there are plenty of deserted/unexplored islands around the world. and as someone previously mentioned, the island is protected by magic of the gods

 

[Vaibow]

Maybe i wasn't clear in my statement - will they, for AM show a whole civilization down there, in caverns, where a world exists, hidden by water or will it literally be like, for want of a better example, sponge bob's bikini bottom!
I get 75% has yet to be explored, but people are far more likely to accept a planet, out there in space than a world at the bottom of the ocean (in my opinion).
Or, would they go the route that there was once a great civilization down there, but was wiped away, with only a few surving and the blood line/genetics got passed down and eventually reignited in Arthur Curry.

2ndly, in todays society, an island suddenly becomes visible that holds mysteries beyond we can ever imagine, how are they going to handle that?

So to conclude, i just can't see how or the WAY they are going to interpret this - to please the general audience, which, may not be as forgiving as us fan boys.

Also, i guess this stems back to my disappointment from MOS - the human race witnessed first contact, with ET life and we didn't see how this effected the world, a few days later they are all back at work and everything seems normal.

Like many posters have said and i agree, it would have been awesome if in MOS, when Lois was trying to track down this mystery man, that along the way she heard stories of other mystery men/women. She may have heard of a man, pulling out fishermen from a sunken boat - when she investigated - it wasn't 'her' mystery man etc - at least that way it gives a nod that this world has super human like people.

I really hope BVS answers these questions.

 

[GL's Light]

I think the general audience is usually more forgiving than fandom.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Uh... It's kind of obvious that the end of MOS is not "a few days later". And GL is right... The fanboys are the ones that get super persnikety about this stuff. Just like they won't care that WW and AM have "magic" as part and parcel of their origin despite some fans wanting to turn these films into theoretical physics classes just so they can sleep well at night knowing that fantasy sci fi and fantasy magic can exist in the same fictional universe despite DECADES of film and tv showing that nobody has a problem with it.

Yes, JUST LIKE THE COMICS, Atlantis to my mind should be an underseas kingdom that traces it's lineage back thousands and thousands and thousands of years, cut off from the rest of the world via the ocean depths, whether in open water cities or domed. Paradise Isle is protected by the supernatural power of the gods.

Yes, we will have to see how they do handle the inhabitants of DCCU's Earth reaction to these revelations (outside of the military's which was closer to reality than say, the instant embrace that Superman got in the Donner film) of hidden societies and the like. But... Seeing as how in the films the MCU doesn't really go too deep as to the fact that Asgardian "Gods" that were worshiped by humans are actually "aliens" from some other dimensional world, and nobody faults them in any way... Yeah, it would seem to be a bit of a double standard, wouldn't you say?

 

[Da-Scribe]

It's the same concern everyone had when it came to introducing Thor in the MCU. At the end of the day, it's pretty easy. You just sorta do it and trust the audience.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I remember when I realized they were going to allude to Thor in an Iron Man movie. I was like, "WTF? That won't work! Magic and sci-fi don't mix! It might work in a comic book, but it won't in a movie!" Seriously, that's what I thought. But it worked.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Haha, yeah even RDJ was concerned if I remember correctly.

 

[Nemeres]

I do wonder how far they'll go with the idea of magic and mythology being real. There was that rumor of Amazons being descendant from old Kryptonians or something similar, which is probably fake, but didn't sound that out of line with the "realistic" vibe that MOS went after. WW will also apparently have Jupiter as her dad rather than being created asexually out of clay by her mother, which does seem like an attempt to gain distance from really magic-y magic.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well that's more a reflection of the comics today. There are lots of comic fans ( I am REALLY not one of them) that think it's an improvement over her standard origin. To me it takes much away adds little and makes her just another demi-god hero, where before, the idea of her created not by sexual union (something mythic like Athena's birth) and being the champion of a society of women who is destined to be the bridge between them and "man's world"? Yeah, that's some deep symbolic stuff. But again, that's a change that originated from the comics.

 

[Nemeres]

I think it's a bit clueless, from both the new comics and theoretically the film, regarding what the character is supposed to represent.

 

[mithravishnu]

If there is God what is the problem with magic then?

 

[king666]

Uh... It's kind of obvious that the end of MOS is not "a few days later". And GL is right... The fanboys are the ones that get super persnikety about this stuff. Just like they won't care that WW and AM have "magic" as part and parcel of their origin despite some fans wanting to turn these films into theoretical physics classes just so they can sleep well at night knowing that fantasy sci fi and fantasy magic can exist in the same fictional universe despite DECADES of film and tv showing that nobody has a problem with it.

Yes, JUST LIKE THE COMICS, Atlantis to my mind should be an underseas kingdom that traces it's lineage back thousands and thousands and thousands of years, cut off from the rest of the world via the ocean depths, whether in open water cities or domed. Paradise Isle is protected by the supernatural power of the gods.

Yes, we will have to see how they do handle the inhabitants of DCCU's Earth reaction to these revelations (outside of the military's which was closer to reality than say, the instant embrace that Superman got in the Donner film) of hidden societies and the like. But... Seeing as how in the films the MCU doesn't really go too deep as to the fact that Asgardian "Gods" that were worshiped by humans are actually "aliens" from some other dimensional world, and nobody faults them in any way... Yeah, it would seem to be a bit of a double standard, wouldn't you say?

Great post. Agreed

 

[dhandler01]

I think it's a bit clueless, from both the new comics and theoretically the film, regarding what the character is supposed to represent.

Changing her from a child with no father to a child with Zeus as her father does not make a difference with what she is "supposed to represent". The rest of the origin was the same, Hippolyta (IIRC) just lied about the first part to protect Diana from the wrath of Hera.

And earlier you mentioned the idea they were descendants of Kryptonians, that is a horrible idea and would be the height of laziness. Fans suspend disbelief all the time, they will accept this too.

 

[Zordan]

legion of doom confirmed


this pic is all kinds of awesome

 

[keven]

I wonder how they will portray Atlantis since the bottom of the ocean would be total darkness. I hope they just ignore this fact so we can see a vibrant kingdom on screen.
Also does anyone think that those are not actually tattoos on Aquaman but perhaps Atlantean war paint?

 

[Nemeres]

Changing her from a child with no father to a child with Zeus as her father does not make a difference with what she is "supposed to represent". The rest of the origin was the same, Hippolyta (IIRC) just lied about the first part to protect Diana from the wrath of Hera.

And earlier you mentioned the idea they were descendants of Kryptonians, that is a horrible idea and would be the height of laziness. Fans suspend disbelief all the time, they will accept this too.

Agree to disagree, then. I think it removes the distinctiveness of her origin in favor of something that has been done a bajillion times before (another child of Zeus, how original), and crams a man and romance into the birth of a character that for many years made a point of the fact that she didn't need any of those to be born.

The Kryptonians idea certainly isn't mine and I'd hate it too.

 

[dhandler01]

I know it wasnt yours...I remember when it showed up last year. (mainly cause of the Supergirl stuff from the prequel comic) While I get the point of the idea, it is just so not needed.

 

[roach]

Yeah, I remember when I realized they were going to allude to Thor in an Iron Man movie. I was like, "WTF? That won't work! Magic and sci-fi don't mix! It might work in a comic book, but it won't in a movie!" Seriously, that's what I thought. But it worked.

Star Wars was a movie that mixed magic and sci-fi.

 

[Flint Marko]

It's the same concern everyone had when it came to introducing Thor in the MCU. At the end of the day, it's pretty easy. You just sorta do it and trust the audience.

 

[souperman]

Yeah, I remember when I realized they were going to allude to Thor in an Iron Man movie. I was like, "WTF? That won't work! Magic and sci-fi don't mix! It might work in a comic book, but it won't in a movie!" Seriously, that's what I thought. But it worked.

...but that was just a movie !

 

[Captain Shazam]

Yeah, I remember when I realized they were going to allude to Thor in an Iron Man movie. I was like, "WTF? That won't work! Magic and sci-fi don't mix! It might work in a comic book, but it won't in a movie!" Seriously, that's what I thought. But it worked.

Well, they did change magic for sci-fi when they decided Thor is an alien.

I wonder how they will portray Atlantis since the bottom of the ocean would be total darkness. I hope they just ignore this fact so we can see a vibrant kingdom on screen.
Also does anyone think that those are not actually tattoos on Aquaman but perhaps Atlantean war paint?

That's totally possible considering Atlantis might be a highly-advanced civilization which is also capable of producing energy to light things up.