BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 2

[Aejej]

It's not like Kal-el/Superman was a cipher. I disagree with "very little dialogue." There was enough. Not all films require a jabberjaws Tony Stark. Watch Drive. Ryan Gosling barely says anything throughout the whole movie and it works just fine.

 

[Captain Shazam]

Never heard of this guy before, but since he tagged BvS I'm posting this here.

In the comments, people are speculating he is Shazam.

 

[dnno1]

That really doesnt sound like good enough reasons to 'hate' the final 30 minutes. Yes it was too long and too action heavy, but Im surprised by the amount of people who 'hated' it to the point they say it ruined the entire film for them.

Also where did you get the script? I've been looking for it since the movie came out.

That's because it's not a good reason. A lot of these people who try to downplay the film because of the length of the action scenes should realize that in reality not very many battles last less than 10 minutes, but it seems like they don't. Some of the battles in Iraq and Afghanistan lasted hours if not days yet there were people who endured it. This film was supposed to be grounded in reality, and I find it hard to believe that a battle for the fate of the planet would only last 3 or 4 minutes or that there are people complaining that it was too long if it went longer (note that the Hulk vs abomination lasted about 10 minutes and people complained that fight was too short). what is that? Furthermore, it's been a long time coming, approaching 30 years, that's Superman has actually been in a real fight and it should be justified if it lasted 20 minutes or more. if people or willing to pay $90 for three hours of fighting certainly, $12.50 for 20 minutes or more action is a steal.

 

[Aejej]

The final battle in Avengers: Age of Ultron seemed to go on a while. Nobody complained, or so it seems. Or maybe it's because everyone noticed how closely the film's structure mimics the first Avengers. In that case...no wonder!

 

[dnno1]

You know, if people were really that annoyed that the action scenes were too long, then they could have just as easily got up to go get popcorn or something. Come to think of it, I don't know of anyone who actually did that (and I saw it twice in theatres).

 

[dnno1]

Never heard of this guy before, but since he tagged BvS I'm posting this here.

In the comments, people are speculating he is Shazam.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/ricardo-segarra-teases-green-lantern-dccu


CosmicBookNews is reporting that he is hinting at Green Lantern (maybe Kyle Rayner). He tweeted the GL oath in one of his posts.

 

[Marz69]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/ricardo-segarra-teases-green-lantern-dccu


CosmicBookNews is reporting that he is hinting at Green Lantern (maybe Kyle Rayner). He tweeted the GL oath in one of his posts.

Kyle was my first thought. Not that I think he's got the role, but that that's the role he's thinking of & fits in the looks department

 

[Superchan]

So, you disliked the film, yet you read the script and the novelization.

Absolutely, and I watched it 5x in theatres and another 10x at home. I'm a superman geek and I was sad about not liking this film overall because it had TONS of potential and I liked alot of it.
The casting was perfect, Cavill+the suit=superman, the whole krypton bit was excellent (although a blatant rip off of 'brave new world' but it still worked), some characters like the kents and jor-el were well written while General Zod was the most interesting comicbook movie villain since loki not to mention that the film did away with whole silly superman-lois-clark love triangle!

But in the end the character of superman/clark was underdeveloped and to me that makes or breaks a superman movie.
Like I said though the film had potential and I hope that potential is realized in BvS somewhat, that's why I'm gonna give the DCEU another chance.

p.s. you guys should read the novelization (if you can't get your hands on the shooting script) because in many ways it was better than the final product IMO.

 

[I Am The Knight]

You know, if people were really that annoyed that the action scenes were too long, then they could have just as easily got up to go get popcorn or something. Come to think of it, I don't know of anyone who actually did that (and I saw it twice in theatres).

 

[rockandrollsoul]

The final battle in Avengers: Age of Ultron seemed to go on a while. Nobody complained, or so it seems. Or maybe it's because everyone noticed how closely the film's structure mimics the first Avengers. In that case...no wonder!

Actually, a lot of people complained about that, I being one of them. It was less about the length, though, and more about it being monotonous, there wasn't any sense of danger and Ultron came off as an ineffectual villain.

With MoS, I feel when most people complain about the length of the last fight, they're actually referring to the lack of variety. I would like to have seen a moment in the middle of the fight where Superman is desperately trying to save people, but is prevented from doing so by Zod. I feel something like that would've broken up the scene a little bit and maybe prevented years of fanboys claiming Superman destroyed Metropolis.

 

[dnno1]

Absolutely, and I watched it 5x in theatres and another 10x at home. I'm a superman geek and I was sad about not liking this film overall because it had TONS of potential and I liked alot of it.
The casting was perfect, Cavill+the suit=superman, the whole krypton bit was excellent (although a blatant rip off of 'brave new world' but it still worked), some characters like the kents and jor-el were well written while General Zod was the most interesting comicbook movie villain since loki not to mention that the film did away with whole silly superman-lois-clark love triangle!

But in the end the character of superman/clark was underdeveloped and to me that makes or breaks a superman movie.
Like I said though the film had potential and I hope that potential is realized in BvS somewhat, that's why I'm gonna give the DCEU another chanc
p.s. you guys should read the novelization (if you can't get your hands on the shooting script) because in many ways it was better than the final product IMO.

Hey, I don't like liver. The thing is I'm not foolish enough to keep trying it. That's why your claim lacks any credibility.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

It's not like Kal-el/Superman was a cipher. I disagree with "very little dialogue." There was enough. Not all films require a jabberjaws Tony Stark. Watch Drive. Ryan Gosling barely says anything throughout the whole movie and it works just fine.

I'd imagine one Tony Stark scene has more dialog than what Ben had in Argo and Gone Girl combined.

 

[Destructus86]

I still want to know what's going on with the Batwing killing all those people....i'm hoping they don't have a Batman that kills in this one...yes, he seems more brutal but killing is very much out of character.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Actually, a lot of people complained about that, I being one of them. It was less about the length, though, and more about it being monotonous, there wasn't any sense of danger and Ultron came off as an ineffectual villain.

With MoS, I feel when most people complain about the length of the last fight, they're actually referring to the lack of variety. I would like to have seen a moment in the middle of the fight where Superman is desperately trying to save people, but is prevented from doing so by Zod. I feel something like that would've broken up the scene a little bit and maybe prevented years of fanboys claiming Superman destroyed Metropolis.

Yeah, that would have been good. But some of the hyperbole by fans about the fight was ridiculous. I mean it was what? Five minutes long? Yet I've literally heard people say it was 45 minutes. I mean, seriously, even if you thought the fight was boring, do you have no concept of time?

 

[JtheDreamer]

Yeah, that would have been good. But some of the hyperbole by fans about the fight was ridiculous. I mean it was what? Five minutes long? Yet I've literally heard people say it was 45 minutes. I mean, seriously, even if you thought the fight was boring, do you have no concept of time?

The problem with the Zod fight is that by the time they were ready to throw down, audience members like myself were already exhausted from the prior fights. Nothing new was happening other than this time they were destroying buildings everywhere. Supes had him up in space and inexplicably allowed the fight back down into Metropolis. At that point I was just like can this movie end already.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The problem with the Zod fight is that by the time they were ready to throw down, audience members like myself were already exhausted from the prior fights. Nothing new was happening other than this time they were destroying buildings everywhere. Supes had him up in space and inexplicably allowed the fight back down into Metropolis. At that point I was just like can this movie end already.

Zod threw a satellite at him. Supes caught it and Zod used the distraction to bring the fight back to Metropolis. Supes didn't inexplicably allow anything.

I really hope people who watch BvS pay attention this time around.

 

[Doc Samson]

Snyder's directing, most people with any familiarity will already come in with preconceived notions, unfortunately. I think while most people feel strongly about the action because that's their general feeling, had it been a different director, they may not have been so at the ready to burn him over it. As soon as MoS was announced, the consensus was that it would be dumb and loud with too much stylized action lol, I personally think he did a good job of trying to develop some kind of story and keeping the action on the backend...

 

[Superchan]

Hey, I don't like liver. The thing is I'm not foolish enough to keep trying it. That's why your claim lacks any credibility.

It's not a 'claim' it's just I feel about the movie.

As for watching it multiple times, well I really wanted to like the thing but it just didn't happen, that's all.

 

[TDK elbowstrike]

Superman was never even in my top 10 favorite heroes. Now he's interchangeable with Batman as 1st and second favorite heroes of all time!

What changed you ask? MAN OF STEEL. After watching the first 20 min on Krypton, it resonated with me emotionally. The rest of the movie wasnt perfect, but i loved it anyways. I LOVE this movie.

I respect the opinion of those who didn't like the movie, but coming from a long time Batman/Hulk/Xmen fan, this movie made me love Superman above almost all of them.

After MOS, I devoured every Superman comic I could get my hands on. All thanks to MOS. It is my sincerest hope that once the DC movie universe is up and running and a few good movies in, that people will look back more fondly on MOS. Seriously, love that movie!

 

[Zordan]

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[JtheDreamer]

Zod threw a satellite at him. Supes caught it and Zod used the distraction to bring the fight back to Metropolis. Supes didn't inexplicably allow anything.

I really hope people who watch BvS pay attention this time around.

Superman couldn't re-route? Zod was right there with him as it was cascading down back into the atmosphere.

Doesn't change anything about what I said though. The fight was exhausting and at that point excessive. It was 5-6 verrrrry long minutes because of fight fatigue.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Superman was never even in my top 10 favorite heroes. Now he's interchangeable with Batman as 1st and second favorite heroes of all time!

What changed you ask? MAN OF STEEL. After watching the first 20 min on Krypton, it resonated with me emotionally. The rest of the movie wasnt perfect, but i loved it anyways. I LOVE this movie.

I respect the opinion of those who didn't like the movie, but coming from a long time Batman/Hulk/Xmen fan, this movie made me love Superman above almost all of them.

After MOS, I devoured every Superman comic I could get my hands on. All thanks to MOS. It is my sincerest hope that once the DC movie universe is up and running and a few good movies in, that people will look back more fondly on MOS. Seriously, love that movie!

I'm on a similar page. I was never a big fan of Superman. I didn't hate him, I just found it hard to relate to him. For all MoS's shortcomings, it made Superman relatable for me and gave me a greater appreciation of the character. Also, even though I didn't love MoS, it got better for me with repeat viewings. I think there was a great film in there that was just impeded by a few things.

 

[TDK elbowstrike]

offical?

"You playing with my emotions Smokie!"

 

[Da-Scribe]

Superman couldn't re-route? Zod was right there with him as it was cascading down back into the atmosphere.

Doesn't change anything about what I said though. The fight was exhausting and at that point excessive. It was 5-6 verrrrry long minutes because of fight fatigue.

Zod was pummeling him. Once Supes got the upper hand, he took Zod into the middle of a train station without killing in civilians and what followed was the neck snap heard 'round the world.

I don't care if you didn't like it, but it hurts whatever point you're making when you revise history.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Zod was pummeling him. Once Supes got the upper hand, he took Zod into the middle of a train station without killing in civilians and what followed was the neck snap heard 'round the world.

I don't care if you didn't like it, but it hurts whatever point you're making when you revise history.

Not in the slightest. You're simply fixating on the "inexplicably" comment in order to deflect from the larger point.