BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 3

[souperman]

yeah I agree.

SR had him fall back to Earth and crater the park.

Avengers had IM fall to Earth and be caught by Hulk.

TKR had Batman fly off and be presumably blown up by a nuke...then had a Latte.

Thor dies to save Earthings but get granted new life because of his sacrifice.

and so on...

as long as it is done well it will work...seems inevitable tho...

 

[kguillou]

Yeah, again, I don't doubt it could be done well, but, I guess....it's just not the ending I'm anticipating. I just feel like if the Trinity isn't a...Trinity by the end of the film I'll feel slightly cheated because this movie's being heavily advertised this way. If we have to do the "Death of Superman" arc, save it for JL pt.1. End JL pt. 1 with Supes' "death" and have him make an epic, triumphant return in part 2 to join the rest of the League. This is only the second film with Cavill's Superman and we haven't had the chance to really see him established yet.

Although, I will say, the cynic in me kind of believes that WB is not going to let Snyder kill off Superman because it seems like the marketing is aimed at a much wider audience this time as opposed to Man of Steel. With all of the toys and merchandise I'm seeing, it seems apparent WB is trying very hard to hit that kid demographic with this film and they want kids to leave the theater excited and wanting to go buy toys.

 

[rogbngp]

According to this video compilation of Snyder interviews from ManOfSteelAnswers.com Snyder really does respect the Superman character and we should not expect Superman to get short shrift in BvS, nor in the DCEU films to follow, presumably.

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I wonder if there is a bit of a headgame being played in not confirming MoS II and reports that Affleck will get more screen time in BvS. This could serve to make the seemingly invincible Superman more of an underdog to us, and as such more human and relatable. In other words, he is the underdog in this setup of expectations.

 

[RadioSha]

This is why I don't think the big "bad" is Doomsday. If you're gonna have doomsday in the film, Superman has to die.

I don't think Superman is dying in this movie.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I still think we'll see a ending inspired by that of "Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow?"

"Superman" may die, but the man who was/is Clark Kent still lives. And unlike that story, he (and Superman) eventually return.

 

[souperman]

What if Superman gets knocked on the head with a kryptonite hammer and looses his memory. ?

A Super-powered being who literally does not know his own strength!

Hmmmm,

 

[rogbngp]

What if Superman gets knocked on the head with a kryptonite hammer and looses his memory. ?

A Super-powered being who literally does not know his own strength!

Hmmmm,

Well, there is a precedent for it! (Either red-gold or red-green-gold Kryptonite causes memory loss for Kryptonians.)

 

[souperman]

There ya go.

I'd love to see Cavill work that scene. ; )

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

...Why not? It would be an incredibly touching and poignant way to go.

Remember that MOS was ripe with the Christ story.

My guess, Superman sacrifices himself for humanity at the end of BvS in some way that makes a believer out of BatJudas... At the very end of the film, three days later - we see Superman's finger twitch...or eye open or something along those lines.

Sure... not entirely original but it would work... and Supes would not be out of JL for very long...after the opening act... SUPERMAN REBORN.

it could happen...

I wouldnt even be surprised if he 'dies' and returns by the end of BvS (Given the amount of TDKR being used and repurposed, I can see the graveyard scenario being flipped, with Bruce somehow noticing Superman's heartbeat)

I think a lot of people equate Superman dying with shortchanging the character, when I think it's the opposite.

Even if he does sit out a lot of JL, isn't this the movie where we'd want a lot of screen time distributed to new characters anyways...?

 

[souperman]

...come to think of it... all the animated features do have the "other characters" running around "trying" to stop the impending doom, until Superman finishes mopping up some other world ending problem and joins in the fight and puts an end to the doom and saves the day...

Wasn't the recent lego JL movie like this too?


...that's not to say that the "other characters" are "lesser characters" in any way...

 

[Herolee10]

I've said this before and I'll say again, leaving Superman actually "dead" at the end of BvS, only to have him return in JL, pretty much kills the emotional weight that his death would have had at the end of BvS.

Everyone knows that Superman is going to be revived and brought back in time to be a part of the JL. It would be a waste of an potentially great arc that shouldn't have superman's resurrection/return rushed.

I honestly don't think there's any way to make Superman's death look good or do it in a "great way" due to the fact that Superman would come back in JL. It's a waste of an arc, and a waste of time.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Do we have a rough idea how BvS will end?

 

[Rowsdower!]

Exactly, Rowsdower! We all know he would be back but that'd be such a crappy way to end a movie thats being heavily marketed as the first meeting of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in film. I mean, I don't doubt that having Superman sacrifice himself in the film's climax could be very powerful and well done if done the right way but ending the movie without Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman unified and starting the Justice League together would just feel incredibly disappointing.

Agreed. While I don't mind the darker tone that DC and WB appear to be taking, that doesn't mean that they need to end everything on a downer. I think a final scene where Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman look at each other and have an exchange like the following could be great:

Superman: Together, we can protect this world.

Batman: We're going to need some help.

Wonder Woman: I know a few people.

 

[matt47]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheesy

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Do we have a rough idea how BvS will end?

 

[steve4991]

Happy Monday ya'll. I expect trailer news this week. Creed is out this weekend, Thanksgiving, football...something is happening.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Happy Monday ya'll. I expect trailer news this week. Creed is out this weekend, Thanksgiving, football...something is happening.

Still too soon. I expect trailer news in early December.

 

[MaceB]

I think a lot of people equate Superman dying with shortchanging the character, when I think it's the opposite.

Let's look at it this way. If Superman dies and is resurrected this early on in his cinematic career, then how are future audiences going to have any suspense when he's in danger? I mean.... if he came back to life once, he could do it again right? It does shortchange the character, because all of his conflicts become mostly moot.
Killing off Superman now is selfish and taking away from future arches where it'd almost certainly be more appropriate.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheesy

Fine, but I'd still prefer it over a scene with Lois weeping over Superman's bleeding corpse.

 

[kguillou]

I just think, plain and simple, this story should be about the World's Finest coming to together for the first time. By adding that kind of somber element at the end of the film would undermine the rest of the film. Batman and Superman meet for the very first time on film and meet Wonder Woman too.....only for Supes to be taken out of the equation at the end? That just feels wrong. Not only that, its like your faking your audience out and giving them blue balls. Thats a real downer note to end a movie that way. That's like deciding to take out Captain America at the end of the first Avengers movie. The movie was about the team coming to conflict and assembling for the very first time and this is no different.

 

[The Shape]

Do we have a rough idea how BvS will end?

Nope, not in the least, despite what some will claim.

 

[Golgo-13]

Do we even need another trailer at this point? I'd rather not see any new footage. It can't possibly top the last one.

 

[KillerWolf]

We don't really need it, but we really need it, if you catch my meaning.

 

[Golgo-13]

You mean you really want it..

 

[Urich Leeds]

You can still get the triumphant Trinity ending with "Superman" dying, assuming a literal Superhero Jesus role; "dying" to save mankind, and thus making the world more accepting of super beings and vigilantes like Batman, Wonder Woman, and the rest of the JLA, due to his sacrifice (actual or presumed).

And they can have the Trinity agreeing to let "Superman" stay dead until he's needed again, while Batman and Wonder Woman seek out more like them (I.E. The Justice League).

And as far as WHY they might decide to do this.... I think it goes back to Lex's plan. Yes, he's trying to create weapons using Kryptonian technology. But, his main goal is to turn the world against Superman (and eventually, destroy him). And given that something huge will trigger Batman into fighting Superman (likely during the very hearing to discuss Superman's actions so far), its likely Lex succeeds by time the final battle rolls around.

So, it would kinda be like ending of The Dark Knight. Yes, Batman stopped The Joker in that film. BUT, had it not been for Batman taking the blame for Harvey's crimes, The Joker still would have won in the end with Harvey's corruption at his hands.

In his case..... Lex would be defeated, and his creation (Doomsday?) stopped, but he would have succeeded in destroying Superman's reputation (and in turn, that other superbeings). Thus, creating a need for a dramatic example to sway their opinion, and create a world thats willing and ready for more like The Trinity.