BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[DeadStroke]

 

[Da-Scribe]

No it's all good man! I did smell the jalapenos popcorn though, lol! All good bro!

Hahaha! Damn, you caught me slipping.

Burbank AMC is my joint. Prime is the best

Agreed. It's my favorite date night spot. We always hit the theater and swing to B-dubs next door after or beforehand. Would've done the same last night if I could've gotten there in time. I'm grateful I got there late though. Ended up getting an awesome seat out of it.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Can Faraci now do all of us a favor and not watch any more DC films at all?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Can Faraci now do all of us a favor and not watch any more DC films at all?

That would be great.

 

[DeadStroke]

Can Faraci now do all of us a favor and not watch any more DC films at all?

That would be great.

 

[Marvolo]

Sooner or later he will watch it.

 

[Mr. Forest]

I'm relieved.

 

[jmc]

A three hour runtime didn't stop people from seeing Avatar, Return of the King, and Titanic, and then going back and seeing them again and again. I think it's a bit of a misconception that people are less interested in long films. This film certainly doesn't help the argument against long films, WB clearly made a mistake not releasing the UC considering how much better its being received.

Those are exceptions. From what I've read of the UC is that it certainly improves from the Tc but it doesnt fix the overall story problem. The question is would the UC have earned more money than the Tc. It's entirely possible the UC wouldn't have earned all that more given the 3 hour run time combined with Snyder's style being a turn off for some people.

 

[Marvolo]

In terms of runtime there is very little difference between 165 minutes and 180 minutes.


Most people I know consider anything over 150 minutes to be long so for them once the runtime crosses that point its all the same to them: numb ass and stiff neck. 15 minutes wont make a huge difference to them. They would have set through a 3 hour BvS the same way they set through a 165 minute TDKR.

And personally I would rather sit through a good 180 minute movie instead of a messy 150 or 165 minute movie.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I thought that it greatly improved on a handful of problems I had with the theatrical cut. Things are cleared up, and the movie has quite a bit more breathing room. The editing is much improved, and the pacing feels better. It's only 20 minutes or so longer, but it definitely helps with a few scenes that were either confusing or were just too oddly edited. Lex is too Riddler-ish, but his overall scheme is more explained and developed, so I came to appreciate that a lot. The time paradox scene is still rudely placed in the middle of the film and it just jumps to that scene. I was hoping the DC would have fixed that, but nope.

Spoiler

I think it's absolutely awful that they've decided to kill of Jimmy Olsen so damn soon. Seriously?

I'd raise my score from an 8.0 to an 8.5.

 

[marieylee]

It definitely improved it for me. Still, I think they could've cut other scenes or shorten various scenes a few minutes here and there from the UE, and still had a better movie with a run time around 2:40. If that was shown at the theaters, would have at least been reviewed better. Whoever edit the theatrical release did a horrible job.

 

[Paradox1]

I thought that it greatly improved on a handful of problems I had with the theatrical cut. Things are cleared up, and the movie has quite a bit more breathing room. The editing is much improved, and the pacing feels better. It's only 20 minutes or so longer, but it definitely helps with a few scenes that were either confusing or were just too oddly edited. Lex is too Riddler-ish, but his overall scheme is more explained and developed, so I came to appreciate that a lot. The time paradox scene is still rudely placed in the middle of the film and it just jumps to that scene. I was hoping the DC would have fixed that, but nope.

Spoiler

I think it's absolutely awful that they've decided to kill of Jimmy Olsen so damn soon. Seriously?

I'd raise my score from an 8.0 to an 8.5.

Jimmy Olsen was not his real name that was his cover, he was actually a CIA agent. At least that's what I get out of the scene.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Jimmy Olsen was not his real name that was his cover, he was actually a CIA agent.

That's what they could retcon it as, I suppose.

 

[Marvolo]

Jimmy Olsen was not his real name that was his cover, he was actually a CIA agent. At least that's what I get out of the scene.

Snyder confirmed it was really Jimmy Olsen.

"We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?"


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Jimm...perman-Whether-You-Realized-It-Or-120707.html

 

[gerrym51]

http://batman-news.com/2016/06/28/batman-v-superman-3-hours-warner-bros-no/


Warner ordered Snyder to cut film to 2 hours 30 minutes

 

[souperman]

Snyder confirmed it was really Jimmy Olsen.

I think there was just no room in the film universe to have a Jimmy Olson story-line so he thought to "include" him is some way just to have him in it...

I think it was silly to use him this (BvS) way but no real harm done.

I still say they could have a "Jimmy Olson - cub reporter" later on as the son of the CIA guy. He was old enough to have a teenage son. He could go to metropolis to get a job, and after all...Lois would owe him one...

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Finally saw this cut and it was much better than the theatrical cut from a narrative standpoint. However, it's not a cut that suddenly would have made the film be to everyone's liking. Especially based on tone (unfortunately) and characterization. I feel if this version was shown in theaters, it probably wouldn't have gotten as many bad reviews as it did, but it most likely would have still been divisive. As divisive as MoS or Watchmen.

 

[Marvolo]

http://batman-news.com/2016/06/28/batman-v-superman-3-hours-warner-bros-no/

Thats some Rothman **** right there. Lets hack the film into a shorter incoherent mess. What could possibly go wrong?

I feel bad for Snyder and crew, but WB got what they deserved.

 

[jmc]

Thats some Rothman **** right there. Lets hack the film into a shorter incoherent mess. What could possibly go wrong?

I feel bad for Snyder and crew, but WB got what they deserved.

He still had a responsibility to make the film less than 3 hours. Snyder doesn't get off that easily simply because the UC plays better. He still should never have developed a story that needed 3 hours to be told.

 

[WoodyROM]

Thats some Rothman **** right there. Lets hack the film into a shorter incoherent mess. What could possibly go wrong?

I feel bad for Snyder and crew, but WB got what they deserved.

I agree with this.

He still had a responsibility to make the film less than 3 hours. Snyder doesn't get off that easily simply because the UC plays better. He still should never have developed a story that needed 3 hours to be told.

I don't agree with this. It's not his responsibility to not tell a 3 hour story. It's his responsibility to tell the story he (and the rest of the writers) want to tell, and do so to the best of their ability. I feel that they did that, others don't, which is fine. But to claim that it was on his shoulders to not tell a story is incorrect, imo.

 

[Sleiek]

Can someone photoshop the picture further by rotating the gun 10'O Clock from Zack's perspective.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I really like the fact that Lex was ********ting his insanity whereas in the theatrical cut they make it seem like he was actually going crazy.

 

[jmc]

I agree with this.

I don't agree with this. It's not his responsibility to not tell a 3 hour story. It's his responsibility to tell the story he (and the rest of the writers) want to tell, and do so to the best of their ability. I feel that they did that, others don't, which is fine. But to claim that it was on his shoulders to not tell a story is incorrect, imo.

Actually there is when you are dealing with films costing hundreds of millions of dollars that need to get as many people watching it as possible. This isn't some indie project he self funded, he's dealing with properties that are meant to generate money. If he wants to do 3-4 hour epics he should be doing it out of his own pocket. If the story required 3 hours he needed to either streamline it or start from scratch with a story that fit. It's purely business reason and he should have been aware of this.

 

[The Shape]

He still had a responsibility to make the film less than 3 hours. Snyder doesn't get off that easily simply because the UC plays better. He still should never have developed a story that needed 3 hours to be told.

That's not his responsibility, unless it was mandated by the studio from the start. It doesn't seem like that was the case here.

It's not as if Snyder started making things up as he went along shooting the film, adding entire sequences willy nilly which the studio knew nothing about. He was working from a script that had obviously been approved by the studio.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Actually there is when you are dealing with films costing hundreds of millions of dollars that need to get as many people watching it as possible. This isn't some indie project he self funded, he's dealing with properties that are meant to generate money. If he wants to do 3-4 hour epics he should be doing it out of his own pocket. If the story required 3 hours he needed to either streamline it or start from scratch with a story that fit. It's purely business reason and he should have been aware of this.

Agreed. If Snyder need 3 hours to tell his story it show again that he just a bad storyteller. It also unbelievable that the fact that they weren't going to put 3 hour movie in theaters didn't come up until the end. Those things are in place way before the movie is about to get finished, and if wasn't here then WB is way more incompetent than we ever thought lol.