BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[GENERAL RAAM582]

It's been said a lot that WB approved the script and they approved of a three hour cut. It's not Snyder's fault that WB got cold feet a couple months before release.

 

[sf2]

Those are exceptions. From what I've read of the UC is that it certainly improves from the Tc but it doesnt fix the overall story problem. The question is would the UC have earned more money than the Tc. It's entirely possible the UC wouldn't have earned all that more given the 3 hour run time combined with Snyder's style being a turn off for some people.

what is the overall story problem??? batman goes against superman???

 

[Saint]

Shrug, I don't blame him. The movie so damn mad that even I'm hesitant to inflict it upon myself again.

 

[Lily Adler]

what is the overall story problem??? batman goes against superman???

Yes.

 

[Lantern Venom]

people, i was half joking about the genitals situation. i guess it didn't translate well.

I'm glad to hear that. I might be alone in this, but the idea of bare Bat butt already makes me want to . I don't want to see mutated Kryptonian genitalia.

I've just seen it... and I'm still trembling! t:

It's a totally incredible film and after TDK the best comic book movie ever, IMO.

That's some really high praise.

I thought that it greatly improved on a handful of problems I had with the theatrical cut. Things are cleared up, and the movie has quite a bit more breathing room. The editing is much improved, and the pacing feels better. ?[/spoiler]

I really want to wait until this comes out on Bluray, but it's getting harder by the day.

 

[kguillou]

I just finished watching. What an epic.

Still processing it overall, but this just...felt like a big, well told cohesive narrative. I've only seen the movie once in theater. I left the theater with INCREDIBLY mixed emotions. I didn't know how to process it but the one BIG thing that bugged me was the editing. Now, I'm usually not the type of person to complain about editing in a film, I usually don't even notice it, but with the TC version, i really felt it. I could just FEEL that something went wrong in the editing room and the movie felt very disjointed and really took me out of everything. I had been incredibly eager to see the movie again in theater but I just did not get the chance to.

Now, finally, I get to see this movie again, in the comfort of my own home, in HD, and the PROPER VERSION of the film. Make no mistake, folks, believe the hype, this is the REAL Batman v. Superman: dawn of Justice. This felt like a full film.

Now, I'm a little tired so I won't go too deep but I just want to say I am so happy and relieved that this was the movie that Snyder had intended to put out. Everything is much more fleshed out and given room to breathe. The movie doesn't feel rushed, it takes its time but is never boring. I did not even feel the 2 hours and 50 mins because I was so engrossed in everything. Clark is given justice, I still would've liked to see a little bit more Clark/ Superman footage but what we got was sufficient and the character is much, much better serviced in this version than the TC. The ending sequence of the film is VERY well done and I felt the the emotion much better than the TC.

The movie is not perfect. Its still has some issues that slightly irk me. I STILL think the Knight mare sequence is very out of place in the film and the JL stuff doesn't quite fit in either. Also, the big fight, while it is very well filmed and choreographed, is still a bit too one sided for my tastes, but I suppose that was part of the point. Also, this more brutal version of Batman is still a little jarring to me, but I can get used to it upon further rewatching.

I'll talk about it more later but this movie is solid. A very well thought out film with some kinks in it that prevent it from being a masterpiece. This movie is not for everyone, it's a dark drama. But, and believe me, I do not say this lightly, I really got wrapped up in this drama/ thriller aspect of the film and it reminded me of The Dark Knight. I know many will roll their eyes at and I want to clarify that I am not saying Snyder is on Nolan's level but a good portion of the film evoked that same Dark Knight-psychological-crime-drama thriller-esque vibe that I think was very bold.

All in all the Ultimate Edition is a very good, solid film and it makes me so happy to say this because I felt so conflicted coming out of theaters in March. I would have given the TC a 6.5-7, if I was being honest with myself it probably would have been a 6.5. However, this cut is a solid 8-8.5/10. It really is too bad this was not the version released back in March. I think the narrative around the film would be different but alas, this proves that Snyder knew what he was doing all along and eventhough you may not agree with his vision, he is able to tell it in a big, epic, cohesive, character driven narrative.

Can't wait for Justice League to finish this story.

8-8.5/10

 

[Marvolo]

Actually there is when you are dealing with films costing hundreds of millions of dollars that need to get as many people watching it as possible. This isn't some indie project he self funded, he's dealing with properties that are meant to generate money. If he wants to do 3-4 hour epics he should be doing it out of his own pocket. If the story required 3 hours he needed to either streamline it or start from scratch with a story that fit. It's purely business reason and he should have been aware of this.

Your argument is contrary to film history and logic. Most indie filmakers dont have the funding to do a 3-4 hour epic so that particular statement of yours is nonsense. And major studios have been doing 3 hour epics since at least the 1950s. Stop trying to rewrite history and act like its a sin for Snyder to make a 3 hour film. If Gore Verbenski and Nolan and Tarrantino and Demille and David Lean and William Wyler and Peter Jackson and Coppola and other directors are allowed to tell 165+ minute stories so is Snyder.

The studio signed off on his pitch, the script, the shoot, the vfx for the longer cut, and waited until the last minute to tell him to turn a dense 3 hour essentially finished film, that needed those 3 hours, into a 150 minute film. How the hell was he supposed to start from scratch at that point?

If WB had an issue with the length they should have said something much earlier so that the script and shoot and pickups could be used to make a film that would accomodate a shorter runtime. WB waiting until the last minute to tell him to hack 30 minutes out makes them responsible for this cluster****.

They should have went with the better version of the film. Better to underwhelm at the box office with a good 180 minute film than to underwhelm at the box office with a messy terribly reviews 150 minute film. At least a good film with better reviews would have had more chance to gain better WOM and more sales on home video. But now with the crappy WB cut and the god awful reviews of that ****** version some people didnt even bother going to the theaters and others wont even consider giving Snyder's version of the film a chance.


Also as an aside, most theaters these days are multiplexes with upwards of 20 screens. One of my local theaters has 15 screens and an hour from me is a 24 screen multiplex. These theaters are able to cram a lot of showings into a 24 hour period regardless of a film's runtime. And many theaters will put a well reviewed popular film on more screens for longer. If WB had released the longer better version it probably would have made more money than the crappy WB cut, because it most likely would have had better reviews, better WOM, and better ticket sales which would have most likely encouraged multiplexes to dedicate more screens to it for a longer period of time. At the very least the longer superior cut would have had better chances that the WB cut.

 

[DeadStroke]

Grace Randolph is truly different from most of us.

She has the original BvS as the 2nd best movie of the year so far.

She just said UE is not as good as the one shown at the movies. Going so far to say that less people would be defending this version if it came out in the theaters.

heh

I like Grace though.

 

[AnneFan]

The Theatrical is only a taste of the true BvS potential.

 

[Mr. Wayne]

The Ultimate Cut is better in the sense that it doesn't feel like a slasher got into the editing room and so it does help the film but there's still a lot of Snyder's stench all over it. Superman is still mopey and irritating and Lex is still underdeveloped and overacted. I certainly enjoyed the Ultimate Cut more and the Perry scenes that were cut made me laugh but the big problems outside of the confusing and chaotic editing of the TC are still very much present. Also the random shot of Batfleck in the shower was a WTF moment. Is Joel Schumacher sick? Was that his Make A Wish? It served absolutely no purpose whatsoever outside of Zach for some reason wanting to put Ben's ass on the big screen. Truly baffling. Here's hoping JL was already pared down to a manageable run time before it started to shoot so we won't get only 80% of a movie next year.

 

[AnneFan]

Regarding the shower scene, I think it's good, and not for nudity. It shows Bruce hollow and alone, especially after looking at the vandalized Robin suit. Whereas Clark gets his scene with Lois in the tub, where he's happy. There's a contrast there.

 

[roach]

Just got done with it and wow. This should have been the movie they shown. This movie now makes sense instead of asking viewers to make leaps of logic.
We now know why everyone blamed Superman for Africa.
We now know that Lex had designed this whole thing from the get go.
The senate scene takes on a new flavor.
More Clark and more Superman....Superman saving people and helping.

 

[King23DC]

Snyder over shoots footage on all his films.

Just as he can't articulate himself intelligently in interviews, it's the same in his films. He can't tell an efficient, concise story, with clear and strong themes. It's all a convoluted, vague mess.

Planning for a 3 hour film to begin with is absurd. There was nothing in the film that warranted that much time.

Plenty of useless, long scenes that could've been cut entirely. Knightmare, "Flash Back", boring Batmobile chase and all the advertising for the JL.

 

[roach]

Snyder over shoots footage on all his films.

Just as he can't articulate himself intelligently in interviews, it's the same in his films. He can't tell an efficient, concise story, with clear and strong themes. It's all a convoluted, vague mess.

Planning for a 3 hour film to begin with is absurd. There was nothing in the film that warranted that much time.

Plenty of useless, long scenes that could've been cut entirely. Knightmare, "Flash Back", boring Batmobile chase and all the advertising for the JL.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about the film industry. Everyone overshoots their films. They do this because it's easier to edit down a movie than to have to go and do reshoots.

 

[Sleiek]

Twitter is all positive about the new cut. Too bad I have to wait until I get the Blu Ray discs.

 

[King23DC]

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about the film industry. Everyone overshoots their films. They do this because it's easier to edit down a movie than to have to go and do reshoots.

No even the editors on man of steel thought the guy's original cut was absurdly long. It just echoes how he doesn't know how to trim cinematic fat that is unnecessary. Why? Because he's a bad film maker who can't tell a story well.

 

[Jaxon]

No even the editors on man of steel thought the guy's original cut was absurdly long. It just echoes how he doesn't know how to trim cinematic fat that is unnecessary. Why? Because he's a bad film maker who can't tell a story well.

No, he said to tell a story about Batman new to the Man of Steel world as well as Lex and lay ground work for the rest of the DCEU would take 3 hrs. That seems very reasonable to reasonable people. WB agreed but bailed at the last minute when they panicked over opening weekend numbers.

 

[AnneFan]

Twitter is all positive about the new cut. Too bad I have to wait until I get the Blu Ray discs.

But what a grand day it will be. The sky will be filled with sunshine and the birds will sing.

 

[Consona]

Grace Randolph is truly different from most of us.

She has the original BvS as the 2nd best movie of the year so far.

She just said UE is not as good as the one shown at the movies. Going so far to say that less people would be defending this version if it came out in the theaters.

heh

I like Grace though.

I like her too, but her opinions are weird a lot of times.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about the film industry. Everyone overshoots their films. They do this because it's easier to edit down a movie than to have to go and do reshoots.

Then what the hell happened with this movie and why didn't they easily edit down to a cohesive, accessible film?

 

[idiot09]

Then what the hell happened with this movie and why didn't they easily edit down to a cohesive, accessible film?

They did.Snyder gave WB the 3hr cut(the ultimate cut) and wanted it to be released.Roven confirmed this.WB gave the greenlight.The 3hr movie was completed with all the vfx done,and it was ready to be released.In the end WB panicked and cut it down further and hacked 30mins off which gave us an incoherent versio of the film.

I mean take any movie and try to hack 30 mins off,and you will see that it damages the product.The 3hr cut is the orginal intended version of the film.

 

[Cobblepot]

A watched the UC yesterday, and it was leaps better than the theater release.
Lex Luthor can clearly be seen pulling all the strings, but imo you can also see he's somewhat 'out of character' almost if he's controlled by either Steppenwolf or Darkseid. In some scenes he's less frantic and more the colder Lex we know from the comics.
Maybe I'm seeing to much in this but either way they have a pretty easy was of righting the wrongs with Lex in the next movies.
Anyway, this cut is way better. The narrative is much more clearer and the editing is no problem anymore.

Superman/Clark has a lot more to do and the fight between them has a slightly better motivation because of it. I also felt that the audience was slighly more ready for his death, it felt shoved in before but not with this cut.

While the Knightmare scene is pure eyecandy, and is also put in to show why Batman is fearsom of Superman going rogue, it's still a fan only scene. My girlfriend didn't understand it, she also didn't recognize the Flash and she watches the TV series a lot.

While I loved the dark and gloom of BvS, she did not. She started to like the movie move after the Martha scene and things picked up.


I still can't believe they actually released the theater cut...the way they did. I refuse to believe that this was a Snyder only decision and was also partly due to WB wanting to shove as much form the 3/4hr cut into the theater cut. And if I was Jesse Eisenberg or Henry Cavill, I would be pissed they chopped my performance to bits. (balls though for cutting out CT Fletcher, I wouldn't want to run into him and explain why his scene was cut, that scene also explains a lot.).The movie really needs a fresh TV cut if WB wants to release it to the TV channels. I wouldn't want to watch the theater cut again, and a 3hr movie (for me personaly) is too long to watch out of a whim (no matter how good it is).

 

[sf2]

Then what the hell happened with this movie and why didn't they easily edit down to a cohesive, accessible film?

rules of BvS editing
- to maintain all / as much of batman/bruce scenes as batman is the most bankable DC character.
- to maintain all the promotional stuffs for JL as to create hype for the next movie.

the end result is the TC we are getting. it isn't difficult to deduce.

 

[idiot09]

Guys,should we have a poll about how much score we give to the ultimate cut of BvS?

 

[Poni_Boy]

They did.Snyder gave WB the 3hr cut(the ultimate cut) and wanted it to be released.Roven confirmed this.WB gave the greenlight.The 3hr movie was completed with all the vfx done,and it was ready to be released.In the end WB panicked and cut it down further and hacked 30mins off which gave us an incoherent versio of the film.

I mean take any movie and try to hack 30 mins off,and you will see that it damages the product.The 3hr cut is the orginal intended version of the film.

Not quite. This 3hr cut wasn't the original 3hr cut they tested out. The Africa scene in particular was newly finalized footage. This UC was very much a reaction to the TC response.