BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 3

[Paradox1]

Was it ever established in this universe that Superman has difficulty with lead?

Does it need to be? C'mon man!!

 

[Predator jp]

it's the world where Lex just shows up knowing the true identity of Superman and Batman so anything goes.

 

[sf2]

While I agree, more important than the logic behind him not seeing the bomb is the thematic reason. Clark didn't see the bomb because he is too trusting of humanity. He sees the good in the world and would never expect that to happen.

That's my biggest problem with the Malone scenes, it takes that element away by implying that he was looking and couldn't see it. Well, that and the fact that his difficulty with lead is never established in the universe.

it only implied that even if he was looking, he couldn't see it.

 

[Paradox1]

it's the world where Lex just shows up knowing the true identity of Superman and Batman so anything goes.

That's been a limit of his sight in every iteration of the character I can remember. Why should the film makers dedicate a single line or scene to more exposition of how all his power work.

 

[Krumm]

it only implied that even if he was looking, he couldn't see it.

Well, yes, but why muck it up? The important bit is that he wasn't looking for it not that he couldn't if he wanted to. The information is unnecessary to the plot and even moreso, even detrimental, to the character's arc, which is above all else.

 

[Krumm]

That's been a limit of his sight in every iteration of the character I can remember. Why should the film makers dedicate a single line or scene to more exposition of how all his power work.

Because we have a dedication to the source material that the general audience does not. It's also in the line of dialogue and Lois' delivery, which makes it seem like it's the most obvious fact.

I should also point out that I "like" BvS overall and think the UE is a definite improvement. However, I didn't find that all of the scenes needed to be restored, especially those with Jenna Malone.

 

[Sleiek]

Not really. How does Lex know Superman will not be looking? He needed to make sure that Superman doesn't see it by having them lead lined. Jena Malone scenes help develop Lex more than it helps Clark's.

 

[Krumm]

Not really. How does Lex know Superman will not be looking? He needed to make sure
that Superman doesn't see it by having them lead lined. Jena Malone scenes help develop Lex more than it helps Clark's.

How does he know lead will stop him from seeing?

 

[BH/HHH]

How does he know lead will stop him from seeing?

I really don't get this need people suddenly have for everything in movies to be explained. I blame the Nolan films for that tbh.

Lex is a smart guy, he figured it out I guess.

 

[TeeKay]

Does it need to be? C'mon man!!

Yes yes it needs to be established.

 

[Krumm]

I really don't get this need people suddenly have for everything in movies to be explained. I blame the Nolan films for that tbh.

Lex is a smart guy, he figured it out I guess.

Agreed but I don't find this to be an instance of grounding the fantastical the Nolan did. This is about good storytelling -- set ups and payoffs. I'm not looking for a scientific explanation of the power (or weakness), just an example of it before it becomes a plot point. That example could be dialogue, it could be action, it could even be in the previous film, but there has to be something.

And ultimately, the scene was cut from the film and for the better. It didn't enhance the plot and certainly not the characters.

 

[Jedi Reach]

Haven't seen the UC yet. Is it that much better than the theater edition?

 

[Krumm]

Haven't seen the UC yet. Is it that much better than the theater edition?

I'd say that it gives more exploration of Clark, gives a Lois more agency and depth, and makes Lex a farther reaching villain.

Other stuff was cut for good reason.

 

[Sleiek]

How does he know lead will stop him from seeing?

I assumed he knew it from doing research with kryptonite.

If it isn't, maybe stupid Lois Lane published it.

Or Lex tested it out on Superman without him knowing during one of his save scenes.

Of course the movie didn't explicitly explain it. Lex just knows everything. It will take a 5 hour movie to explain how Lex knows all the things he knows.

 

[Assassin32]

Of course the movie didn't explicitly explain it. Lex just knows everything. It will take a 5 hour movie to explain how Lex knows all the things he knows.

Or, perhaps, one skilled writer.

 

[Krumm]

I assumed he knew it from doing research with kryptonite.

If it isn't, maybe stupid Lois Lane published it.

Or Lex tested it out on Superman without him knowing during one of his save scenes.

That's a lot of assuming and a lot of "maybes"...

Of course the movie didn't explicitly explain it. Lex just knows everything. It will take a 5 hour movie to explain how Lex knows all the things he knows.

It would at least take a couple of seconds.

Either way, that bit of information doesn't make the movie better or make any more sense as other added bits did.

 

[TeeKay]

I assumed he knew it from doing research with kryptonite.

If it isn't, maybe stupid Lois Lane published it.

Or Lex tested it out on Superman without him knowing during one of his save scenes.

Of course the movie didn't explicitly explain it. Lex just knows everything. It will take a 5 hour movie to explain how Lex knows all the things he knows.

Assumptions assumptions asssumptions....

Or, perhaps, one skilled writer.

 

[BH/HHH]

Agreed but I don't find this to be an instance of grounding the fantastical the Nolan did. This is about good storytelling -- set ups and payoffs. I'm not looking for a scientific explanation of the power (or weakness), just an example of it before it becomes a plot point. That example could be dialogue, it could be action, it could even be in the previous film, but there has to be something.

And ultimately, the scene was cut from the film and for the better. It didn't enhance the plot and certainly not the characters.

I was glad it was there, although I wasn't one of the people who had a problem with him not seeing the bomb in the first place. I found that a ridiculous complaint aswell it's not like he contantly has his x-Ray vision on anyway.

 

[Krumm]

I was glad it was there, although I wasn't one of the people who had a problem with him not seeing the bomb in the first place. I found that a ridiculous complaint aswell it's not like he contantly has his x-Ray vision on anyway.

Out of curiosity, why did you like the addition?

And as for those complaining, they were clearly missing the point of the scene.

 

[Paradox1]

How does he know lead will stop him from seeing?

Because lead is one of the denses metals on the periodic table.

 

[Predator jp]

i don't mind the whole Lead thing, it's a minor detail for me.
but i really hated how Lex just knew about Bruce and Clark.

 

[Krumm]

Because lead is one of the denses metals on the periodic table.

 

[Sleiek]

That's a lot of assuming and a lot of "maybes"...

It would at least take a couple of seconds.

Either way, that bit of information doesn't make the movie better or make any more sense as other added bits did.

I guess I don't lose sleep over the little details when there is a bigger plot there to distract me from it. Of course, when the plot is simple and straight forward, I would be picking on them. It is no secret the plot in the movie is dense as hell and quite frankly I enjoy it when that's the case.

In my opinion, every single scene serves a purpose including the email attachments. It lets Bruce Wayne that there something a lot bigger going on than just him and Gotham City. The Steppenwolf scene explains what Lex's state of mind was when he is captured by the Army. Many people think the only point of these scenes is to set up future films and I don't see it that way. And of course the Jena Malone scenes serves a purpose in Lois Lane's investigation. That's why Lois is able to say "I have proven what you have done" or something like that.

 

[Sleiek]

Or, perhaps, one skilled writer.

It's all easier said than done. Just like what sounds good on paper doesn't always translate well to film.

These are minor details anyway. The audience should get the impression that Lex knows everything. He knows where to find every single character, whether to kidnap them or not. He's got the resources. He uses them to gain knowledge which he is so fond of, reflecting his Book Donation party speech. He had access to General Zod and Kryptonite. People just need to make the connection.

 

[Krumm]

I guess I don't lose sleep over the little details when there is a bigger plot there to distract me from it. Of course, when the plot is simple and straight forward, I would be picking on them. It is no secret the plot in the movie is dense as hell and quite frankly I enjoy it when that's the case.

In my opinion, every single scene serves a purpose including the email attachments. It lets Bruce Wayne that there something a lot bigger going on than just him and Gotham City. The Steppenwolf scene explains what Lex's state of mind was when he is captured by the Army. Many people think the only point of these scenes is to set up future films and I don't see it that way. And of course the Jena Malone scenes serves a purpose in Lois Lane's investigation. That's why Lois is able to say "I have proven what you have done" or something like that.

Totally. It just wasn't a information I was looking for nor really needed. And I found that it ultimately changed the meaning of the Senate scene for the worst.

And please don't worry about me. I sleep fine.