The Dark Knight The Christian Bale/Bruce Wayne thread

[Crook]

If you took the time and actually went back and READ what I typed, you'd see I said a star shouldn't have to give up 100% of their privacy because they are paid to act. How do you fail to get that?

And where do I say 100% of their privacy is taken away? Have I said anything about paparazzi stepping onto these celebs' private property to bombard them with camera flashes and redundant questions? Or have I implied that celebs shouldn't expect to be left alone when they're out shopping or eating in public places, where it is completely legal for people to surround them? Is it a dick-ish move to do? Yes. Are paparazzi pricks? Yup. But hey, they're allowed. Everyone knows this going into the job.

Trust me, all celebrities (most especially someone who has been in the industry since they were a child) are well aware of the sacrifices they must make to live their lives while reaping the benefits of stardom (like people snapping pics of them, their wife and their child if they step a toenail outside of their house) but your eluding to the fact that fans are OWED something by celebrities is entirely off base.

I have not eluded to that at all. I have said that this job carries with it certain perks and disadvantages. Privacy being thrown out the window when these actors are in public are one of them. Nor do I believe fans are owed anything, period. So there goes that statement.

You should've stopped with the first sentence. Yes, YOU can only speak for YOURSELF. Period. You do not know the behavior of anyone else on their job and how they might be treated if they happen to vent.

Yes, you asked a question and I answered it on on my behalf. Did you WANT me to speak for anyone else? Have I indicated otherwise? It's like you want me to act like a dick in this argument.

Take a second and ask yourself if prison wardens and preschool teachers act the same way on their jobs. If football coaches and ballet teachers conduct themselves in the same way when they're on their jobs. And yet, they're all professionals. Don't be closed minded enough to compare your desk job or whatever to someone in the 115 degree heat playing an intense role amidst a scene supposedly in the middle of a post-Apocalyptic war. Do you think they don't use four letter wars on Marine bases? What part of 'HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF PLAYING A ROLE' don't you understand?

What part of "he's a professional and an acting vet, so he should have some tact in behavior" don't you get? I can understand why he acted like he did, but that does not excuse him for his actions. You and I know he could have, and should have handled that better.

(and BTW, in a very heated fight at my work (a desk job in marketing) I went after a co-worker to the point my boss had to physically step in between us. My co-worker got written up. Two months later I was promoted.)

Was your co-worker completely defenseless, apologetic, and trying to calm you down? Were you aggressively confrontational, berating him for minutes on end in front of everyone? If so, then congrats....you've given an example of exceptions to the general rule that you don't act like a prick in the workplace.

Um, yes it is. It is less than four minutes of a person's 20 year career. You know nothing that came before and nothing that came after. You do not know who the DP might've yelled at the day before or three weeks later or how many times Bale might've apologized. The fact is you know nothing except what you heard on a tape released by TMZ.

Two people from the production have already spoken on the subject. They have mentioned nothing new, so logically we can assume just what we need to know. The DP walked onto Bale's line of vision, twice, in a very important shot. He went off. Again, I can understand Bale's actions. However I'm not going to defend him because it was a childish reaction.

And PS. Here's another TDK actor flicking a camera off.

Ok? It's Maggie clearly not wanting her pic to be taken as she's taking a stroll. Same thing happened with Bale. Is there some point to this?

And lastly, your "Oh yes, I know it's true, he was one of the first posters here and his wife confirmed it" still doesn't make it so. But go ahead and keep believing everything you read on the internet.

You are coming off foolish here. This isn't some random blog I came across on the internet. As I have said, I know these guys. Ask ANY oldbies in this forum, they know who they were as well. Back during BB filming, there was a relatively small group of regular posters that knew each other very well as we had followed the production closely for months on end.

I don't know what more you want when this wasn't a story made up by people with nobodies, it has a damn pic for proof, and several other people that were also on the set confirmed the story. Yes, this is all a conspiracy against a moment in time where Bale was caught being a dick. Is that earth-shattering to you? You've taken great lengths to put him on a pedestal here. You can spout "he's human just like us" all you want, but that is not news to me. I'm just calling him out on two occasions where he should have kept himself in check. I still like the guy. As an actor.

If this were any other person, I'd be saying the same exact thing as well. Bale acted like a dick and the world is talking. Big-whoop. This isn't any more different than Paris with her sex tape, Britney on her mental rage, Crowe on his phone incident, etc etc. It happens. The world will forget in a few weeks time. I assure you, Bale will be fine. So let's stop acting like we're asking for his head on a pitchfork here. Let's move on.

 

[Showtime]

I'm glad she stuck up for him.

Frankly no one should be taking sides with them. It's the DP's fault for interupting and after constant Bale's warning and if you actually listen closely it was his second time doing it abd Bale for going off too much.

People should actually hear what he's saying instead of just posting on here taking sides.

Read what happened and do the homework, listen to both sides.

Since when is Bale in charge of the DP's anyway? I don't see any problem with Bale saying something to him, it is how he said. I don't see how you can defend Bale's approach to the situation. You can't defend the DP's actions, because he was obviously a distraction. I listened to it at least 10 times and nothing justifies the way Bale approached the situation.

 

[hatebox]

Since when is Bale in charge of the DP's anyway?

Since McG is totally useless, apparently. He came out very badly from all this too. "Ummm... I didn't see anything! [runs away to hide from Bale]"

 

[Showtime]

Since McG is totally useless, apparently. He came out very badly from all this too. "Ummm... I didn't see anything! [runs away to hide from Bale]"

He certainly did. He should be the one taking care of this, but if I remember correctly the producer was even telling him to calm down. I think that is Bruce Simmons?

 

[Pauluz]

I just LOL'd at the idea of Bale going nuts like that in the Batsuit. How awesome would that be!

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Bale took it too far and was very abusive on this. He screwed up. I understand you are consumed in your work, but on a personal level you cannot talk to someone like that no matter who you are. The guy needs anger management sessions.

 

[namtaB]

Bale took it too far and was very abusive on this. He screwed up. I understand you are consumed in your work, but on a personal level you cannot talk to someone like that no matter who you are. The guy needs anger management sessions.

You would think he learned something from Batman Begins. Your anger gives you great power but if you let it, it will destroy you like it almost did me - Ra's.

 

[MechaOrga]

Since when is Bale in charge of the DP's anyway? I don't see any problem with Bale saying something to him, it is how he said. I don't see how you can defend Bale's approach to the situation. You can't defend the DP's actions, because he was obviously a distraction. I listened to it at least 10 times and nothing justifies the way Bale approached the situation.

thank you. These are my thoughts exactly.

 

[Marz69]

He certainly did. He should be the one taking care of this, but if I remember correctly the producer was even telling him to calm down. I think that is Bruce Simmons?

I was wondering who Bruce was. I looked up Bruces and this is what I found.
Bruce Franklin ... associate producer
Bruce Y. Kuroyama ... special effects pyrotechnic gangboss
Bruce Holcomb ... digital model supervisor
Bruce Powell ... sequence supervisor
Bruce A. Ross ... dive master

It's probably Bruce Franklin.

I could see the producer being the only one with courage to calm Bale down. BUT this is McG's responsibility to keep this thing running smooth. I still can't believe the "ummm... I didn't see cuz I have doodoo in my eyes" lame response. Seriously, how can he not see the DP standing on set even if he didn't see the DP walk on set. The guy is right there being yelled at. He should have walked between them, pulled the DP aside and told him what the rules are. I would be irritated too if as an actor I have to be the one to tell the DP to get off the set.

What kind of a director doesn't control his set & doesn't see what's going on.

 

[Steelsheen]

People seem to have conveniently forgotten about that picture of Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams flipping off photographers (and Heath holding up the little sign that emphasized the gesture). But I doubt you'll be hearing all these same people talk about how horrible Heath was, and how horrible Michelle is because of that picture.

thank God someone remembers this other than me. one person around here was this short of calling me a liar for saying that Ledger was no model actor of good behavior.

I'd love for someone to ask Wally Pfister about this incident.

WALLY: "I'd never **** with Christian's lights."

somehow that just comes of as.... wrong

He does it for the art? Not the buck? Then why the hell is he in a Terminator movie with McG?

You apologists are like Mafia wives.

he was a fan of the original Cameron films, just like a lot of people are. and he was looking for another franchise (remember JL?). also he didnt just sign up because McG stoked his ego (btw he did and that didnt work), Bale signed up for Terminator provided that the story is compelling enough even without the special effects, and that was only achieved after Jonathan Nolan fixed the entire screenplay.

 

[Fenrir]

It speaks volumes about the pathetic state of our society when celebrity gossip generates this much discussion. Someone somewhere somehow with anger management issues flipped out about something on someone at work. Uhh, so? I don't get the petty self-righteous judgmental stooges who feel the need to so incessantly express their "disapproval" regarding someone's behavior.

Believe it or not, such heated scenarios are quite typical in the film industry, especially on big budget tentpoles - sometimes between directors and their crew, or between producers and actors, or studio execs. Forgive me for not subscribing to the inferiority complex mindset that famous people should be held to any higher standards. Big deal if someone blows a gasket at work. Was it because he has anger management issues, because he was having a bad day, because he is a famous spoiled celebrity, or because he is an obsessive perfectionist or because is simply a prick? Seriously, who the f**k cares?

Jeez, the Batman forums, the Terminator Salvation thread, in Community AND celebrity forums...it's bloody everywhere. It feels like suddenly the entire place is crawling with teenage girls that just reached puberty. Really, fellas, STOP CLOGGING THE ENTIRE BOARD WITH THIS B.S! :

 

[Steelsheen]

I was wondering who Bruce was. I looked up Bruces and this is what I found.
Bruce Franklin ... associate producer
Bruce Y. Kuroyama ... special effects pyrotechnic gangboss
Bruce Holcomb ... digital model supervisor
Bruce Powell ... sequence supervisor
Bruce A. Ross ... dive master

It's probably Bruce Franklin.

I could see the producer being the only one with courage to calm Bale down. BUT this is McG's responsibility to keep this thing running smooth. I still can't believe the "ummm... I didn't see cuz I have doodoo in my eyes" lame response. Seriously, how can he not see the DP standing on set even if he didn't see the DP walk on set. The guy is right there being yelled at. He should have walked between them, pulled the DP aside and told him what the rules are. I would be irritated too if as an actor I have to be the one to tell the DP to get off the set.

What kind of a director doesn't control his set & doesn't see what's going on.

a mediocre one, just as McG is. if McG wants to be treated like an A-list director, he can damn well start by keeping a set that acts like one.

It was 4 minutes. Nuff said. He could have simply said "Fawk You" and stormed off the set. But he...Didn't.

if you listen to the entire recording you'd realize that it was several closely linked outbursts, not jsut one long tirade. he blew up for about a minute, started to settle down, then someone said something and he blew up again, then just as he was getting his shizit together something sets him off AGAIN. it just sounded like one long thing because the mic from which this was recorded was the mic attached to Bale's costume or the sound guy was hovering that mic stick right over his head the whole time.

i'm thinking the former.

 

[namtaB]

It speaks volumes about the pathetic state of our society when celebrity gossip generates this much discussion.

Huh? Gossip is a human condition not something reflective of current society. Seutonius is regarded as the Cindy Adams of his time. Octavian's first step in bringing down Mark Antony was a widespread gossip and rumor campaign. The Egyptians spent time etching out various bits of gossip all over their monuments and buildings. This Bale stuff is no different. Its what people have been doing for thousands of years. Whenever someone says "It speaks volumes about how pathetic our society is b/c of blah blah blah" its usually to launch into some sort of sanctimonous self righteous *********ion exercise.

 

[Fenrir]

Huh? Gossip is a human condition not something reflective of current society. Seutonius is regarded as the Cindy Adams of his time. Octavian's first step in bringing down Mark Antony was a widespread gossip and rumor campaign. The Egyptians spent time etching out various bits of gossip all over their monuments and buildings. This Bale stuff is no different. Its what people have been doing for thousands of years. Whenever someone says "It speaks volumes about how pathetic our society is b/c of blah blah blah" its usually to launch into some sort of sanctimonous self righteous *********ion exercise.

When posters like you use poor and irrelevant examples of Roman generals, politicians and historical landmarks to justify prolonged diatribes about someone as unimportant as celebrities or actors, we know we've hit rock bottom. Nice usage of pseudo-intellectual drivel though. Pity it doesn't work on anyone with even half a brain.

 

[hatebox]

Huh? Gossip is a human condition not something reflective of current society. Seutonius is regarded as the Cindy Adams of his time. Octavian's first step in bringing down Mark Antony was a widespread gossip and rumor campaign. The Egyptians spent time etching out various bits of gossip all over their monuments and buildings. This Bale stuff is no different. Its what people have been doing for thousands of years. Whenever someone says "It speaks volumes about how pathetic our society is b/c of blah blah blah" its usually to launch into some sort of sanctimonous self righteous *********ion exercise.

You're absolutely not wrong.

And yet I feel I have to side with Einstein on this one:

"Great men talk of ideas, mediocre men talk of things, small men talk of people."

Our need to gossip is fact of life, but in so many instances a rather depressing one.

 

[Fenrir]

Bale: "Targeting me won't get their self-esteem back. I knew the DP and his crew wouldn't go down without a fight but this is different. They've crossed the line."

Bale's agent: "You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them and hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation they turned to a site they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men...just wanna watch the actors burn."

 

[Ferd]

Crook- I am not going to respond to each of your points because we could go round and round here for another year and get absolutely nowhere.

I don't know Christian Bale, and so clearly the man has never insulted me. And some four days ago I had no idea who this Shane Hurlbut was. So I'm not sure why today I should be defending or chastising either of them. I still fail to see how any of this is any of our concern. The only person who should have a beef with Christian Bale is the DP, and considering that this tape is six months old and the men continued to work together, it's a safe assumption that they were able to make up and continue working together professionally.

What I will defend is the fact that as a human I can honestly and readily admit that I have lost my cool and gone off on people. I don't feel that's grounds for some of the comments I have seen flung around the net and aimed at Christian for his behavior. Find some perspective. It's less than four minutes of a 35 year old man's life. Less than four minutes amidst a 20 year career.

My post initially was to say it is ridiculously irrelevant to churn up pictures of an actor flipping the bird years ago and throw them into a discussion about what happened six months ago. It has been well established that other actors have done the same gesture, and yet we're not in their threads talking about their tempers. In both instances (the finger pic and the 4 minute tape) we were not there and the action was not aimed at us and therefore we shouldn't be trying to draw conclusions and voicing strong opinions about things we will never have all of the facts on and have no effect on our day to day lives.

 

[Showtime]

thank you. These are my thoughts exactly.

I was wondering who Bruce was. I looked up Bruces and this is what I found.
Bruce Franklin ... associate producer
Bruce Y. Kuroyama ... special effects pyrotechnic gangboss
Bruce Holcomb ... digital model supervisor
Bruce Powell ... sequence supervisor
Bruce A. Ross ... dive master

It's probably Bruce Franklin.

I could see the producer being the only one with courage to calm Bale down. BUT this is McG's responsibility to keep this thing running smooth. I still can't believe the "ummm... I didn't see cuz I have doodoo in my eyes" lame response. Seriously, how can he not see the DP standing on set even if he didn't see the DP walk on set. The guy is right there being yelled at. He should have walked between them, pulled the DP aside and told him what the rules are. I would be irritated too if as an actor I have to be the one to tell the DP to get off the set.

What kind of a director doesn't control his set & doesn't see what's going on.

I believe it is Bruce Franklin, for some reason I thought his name was Simmons. MCG should be in charge, but Bale certainly isn't in charge. This happens on every set on every film, problem is that this one leaked out.

It speaks volumes about the pathetic state of our society when celebrity gossip generates this much discussion. Someone somewhere somehow with anger management issues flipped out about something on someone at work. Uhh, so? I don't get the petty self-righteous judgmental stooges who feel the need to so incessantly express their "disapproval" regarding someone's behavior.

Believe it or not, such heated scenarios are quite typical in the film industry, especially on big budget tentpoles - sometimes between directors and their crew, or between producers and actors, or studio execs. Forgive me for not subscribing to the inferiority complex mindset that famous people should be held to any higher standards. Big deal if someone blows a gasket at work. Was it because he has anger management issues, because he was having a bad day, because he is a famous spoiled celebrity, or because he is an obsessive perfectionist or because is simply a prick? Seriously, who the f**k cares?

Jeez, the Batman forums, the Terminator Salvation thread, in Community AND celebrity forums...it's bloody everywhere. It feels like suddenly the entire place is crawling with teenage girls that just reached puberty. Really, fellas, STOP CLOGGING THE ENTIRE BOARD WITH THIS B.S! :

Your on a board thats main focus is superheroes, what do you expect, Mensa tryouts?

 

[Fenrir]

Your on a board thats main focus is superheroes, what do you expect, Mensa tryouts?

I expect news and discussion about superheroes, movies and games. Not long-winded babble over an actor throwing a temper tantrum on the set. I mean, jesus, guys, it's been two days now.

Let. It. Go.

 

[Showtime]

I expect news and discussion about superheroes, movies and games. Not long-winded babble over an actor throwing a temper tantrum on the set. I mean, jesus, guys, it's been two days now.

Let. It. Go.

You just added one more post to the thread.

 

[SheldonLevene]

It speaks volumes about the pathetic state of our society when celebrity gossip generates this much discussion. Someone somewhere somehow with anger management issues flipped out about something on someone at work. Uhh, so? I don't get the petty self-righteous judgmental stooges who feel the need to so incessantly express their "disapproval" regarding someone's behavior.

Believe it or not, such heated scenarios are quite typical in the film industry, especially on big budget tentpoles - sometimes between directors and their crew, or between producers and actors, or studio execs. Forgive me for not subscribing to the inferiority complex mindset that famous people should be held to any higher standards. Big deal if someone blows a gasket at work. Was it because he has anger management issues, because he was having a bad day, because he is a famous spoiled celebrity, or because he is an obsessive perfectionist or because is simply a prick? Seriously, who the f**k cares?

Jeez, the Batman forums, the Terminator Salvation thread, in Community AND celebrity forums...it's bloody everywhere. It feels like suddenly the entire place is crawling with teenage girls that just reached puberty. Really, fellas, STOP CLOGGING THE ENTIRE BOARD WITH THIS B.S! :

I gotta agree with you on this one. I thought it was pretty funny, and that's about it. It's not gonna keep me from liking his work or anything like that. Yeah and it's also pretty silly to think that this is getting so much press.

 

[TheGlassPrison]

Breaking News:
Scientists have now confirmed that Christian Bale is, in fact, a human being. Recent studies have shown that humans have a tendency to make mistakes and, on occasion, do things they regret. "This behavior is not justifiable," says Dr. Connors "but it's understandable."

Close Thread.

 

[L3G3NDK1LLER]

Breaking News:
Scientists have now confirmed that Christian Bale is, in fact, a human being. Recent studies have shown that humans have a tendency to make mistakes and, on occasion, do things they regret. "This behavior is not justifiable," says Dr. Connors "but it's understandable."

Close Thread.

What celebrities are human? O no...

 

[The Batman]

Breaking News:
Scientists have now confirmed that Christian Bale is, in fact, a human being. Recent studies have shown that humans have a tendency to make mistakes and, on occasion, do things they regret. "This behavior is not justifiable," says Dr. Connors "but it's understandable."

Close Thread.

one of the few posts in this thread that makes any sense...

I dont see why this has gone on so long...at the end of the day, everyone's gonna watch T4 and not give a damn about this anyway.

 

[p4poetic]

Short, simple but an extraordinary post.