The Clinton Thread II - Part 2

[Marvolo]

Yes. They literally have staff and lawyers for this. Did you not realize this?

And he is cowardly? He exposed something that needed to be exposed, something the government clearly shouldn't have been doing, and yet he is the one who is is coward. Why do people get mad at the whistle blowers, and not those doing this crap? Better to do horrible, illegal things, including murder, then be a "rat". Why?

Chaseter must not know much about investigative journalism or the important part it plays in a society.

 

[chaseter]

Yes the media today is the bastion of unbiased and fact checked journalism. They never sensationalize or print erroneous statements. We should all trust them 100%.

 

[chaseter]

Yes. They literally have staff and lawyers for this. Did you not realize this?

And he is cowardly? He exposed something that needed to be exposed, something the government clearly shouldn't have been doing, and yet he is the one who is is coward. Why do people get mad at the whistle blowers, and not those doing this crap? Better to do horrible, illegal things, including murder, then be a "rat". Why?

You can't admire Snowden and Obama. That's an oxymoron. Who is your hero out of those two?

He's cowardly because he ran to Putin's arms. I'm all for whistle blowers but he endangered lives and ran away like a coward. What a hero.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes the media today is the bastion of unbiased and fact checked journalism. They never sensationalize or print erroneous statements. We should all trust them 100%.

Wow, a Trump/Pence attempt to avoid the question and the point. You know that these places have people on hand to handle issues on what to and not to publish.

When exactly was the media a 100% bastion of unbiased and fact checked journalism? The big difference now of course is that fact checking can happen in real time and be shown across the globe through the internet. So yeah, it is actually better now.

 

[chaseter]

Didn't you just avoid my question?

Liberals 2016 - cops bad, media good.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You can't admire Snowden and Obama. That's an oxymoron. Who is your hero out of those two?

He's cowardly because he ran to Putin's arms. I'm all for whistle blowers but he endangered lives and ran away like a coward. What a hero.

Neither is my "hero". Neither owns a cape.

Show exactly how he endangered lives. Furthermore, you are blaming him for the equivalent of avoiding jail or death for say... escaping slavery. Doing the right thing and avoiding being unjustly punished for it is not cowardice. But of course the reason why you are using such a phrase is to avoid the obvious reason for why one would avoid being unjustly punished.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

When exactly was the media a 100% bastion of unbiased and fact checked journalism?

Not since journalism sold out to big money... years and years ago. No matter what outlet/source you follow don't kid yourself that any of them are more sacrosanct then the others.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Didn't you just avoid my question?

Liberals 2016 - cops bad, media good.

What question? That media is at times bias? Of course. Problem is you avoiding this has always been a problem, and the systems involved now allow for more actual fact checking of what is printed.

In your reality who exactly has the knowledge to allow the printing of such material? The government who is committing the crimes and want to cover them? That makes no sense, at all. Using this logic, Watergate is never exposed.

And nah, bad journalism and bad policing has been around since the dawn of this nation. The difference now is we are able to spot it and report it far easier. Thank the maker for advancement in technology, even if cops want to avoid wearing body cams and try to arrest people who are legally recording them .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not since journalism sold out to big money... years and years ago. No matter what outlet/source you follow don't kid yourself that any of them are more sacrosanct then the others.

This is the brilliance of the internet. It is easy to find out Brietbart is far crazier then other places.

 

[Sithborg]

I do miss Al Jazeera America. That actually felt like what a news channel should be.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I am wary of any news site that is state-funded.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

This is the brilliance of the internet. It is easy to find out Brietbart is far crazier then other places.

Uh what? Crazy or not doesn't detract from the simple fact that all big news outlets are controlled/manipulated. I always reflect back to The Insider (Pacino/Crowe) based off a real story and how even a group as respected as "60 min" can be manipulated.

 

[chaseter]

Anyone who thinks any news outlet today (paper or tv) doesn't have bias and doesn't care about ad revenue...is only fooling themselves. Journalism is dead or very very close. I don't trust any one source.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

All you have to do to realize how consumed by ad revenue most major news outlets are is just look at all the dumbass clickbait stuff they report because nobody has time to fact check. Something like 5 billionaires own all of the world's newspapers too if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Iceman]

Anyone who thinks any news outlet today (paper or tv) doesn't have bias and doesn't care about ad revenue...is only fooling themselves. Journalism is dead or very very close. I don't trust any one source.

Unfortunately very true. I can't think of one source of news I trust to be independent any more.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Anyone who thinks any news outlet today (paper or tv) doesn't have bias and doesn't care about ad revenue...is only fooling themselves. Journalism is dead or very very close. I don't trust any one source.

I almost majored in Journalism in college. I guess I dodged a bullet. It's a sad state of affairs how compromised it is. I have to look at several different sources just to get a general idea and even then I don't feel as informed as I'd like to be.

The coverage of this Election cycle also has been ridiculous.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

It's the 24/7 news cycle and the constant need for filler time. All a byproduct of the digital age and everyone having to have everything immediately. I wonder if there is ever going to be some kind of balance or if it will just keep spiraling out of control as the country gets dumber?

 

[Iceman]

I would be glued to the first source that claims and then demonstrates independence. Just totally grill all interview victims/candidates whoever they are and we don't need to hear opinions, just report facts. No need to give anyone an easy ride, and report everything of sufficient scale regardless of political relevance. It's funny that nowadays hardly any source even claims to be independent.

 

[Legendver2]

Watchdog group accuses Clinton campaign of election law violations

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog...ign-of-election-law-violations-214054242.html

A nonpartisan watchdog group Thursday called for a federal investigation of Hillary Clinton’s campaign committee, accusing it of illegally accepting millions of dollars worth of “opposition research” and other assistance from Correct the Record, an outside super-PAC, in violation of U.S. election laws.


The Campaign Legal Center also filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission to initiate probes of Donald Trump’s campaign, and two super-PACs backing it, for similar violations of laws barring “coordination” between political campaigns and outside groups.

Correct the Record, which has taken in over $6 million in this campaign from hedge-fund executives, plaintiffs’ lawyers and other wealthy donors, has effectively become a “parallel shadow” arm of the Clinton campaign, said Larry Noble, who served for 13 years as the chief legal counsel for the FEC and is now chief counsel of the Campaign Legal Center. “They’re training people [for the Clinton campaign], they’re doing research for it. They’ve really pushed the envelope in this case, and ripped it open.”


Asked for comment, Clinton campaign spokesman Glen Caplin said the complaint was a “frivolous lawsuit” and had no merit. Brad Woodhouse, president of Correct the Record, also fired back that the issues raised in the complaint were “ridiculous” and similar to those raised in another complaint last year against the group. He said Correct the Record was well within its rights to coordinate its activities with the Clinton campaign, because it restricts itself to communicating through Internet messages and on its website — forms of communication that he said are “free from campaign finance regulation” under FEC rules.


To be sure, Correct the Record is different from many other super-PACs in that it doesn’t run standard “attack ads” on television and radio. Instead, it features as its centerpiece hard-edged political attacks online — such as a recently posted mock-tabloid cover proclaiming the “bromance” between Russian president Vladimir Putin and Trump, complete with big red hearts.

Noble, of the Campaign Legal Center, acknowledged he was not “overly optimistic” the FEC would act on its complaint, given that the agency has been repeatedly deadlocked among its commissioners along partisan lines and has failed to take enforcement actions against other alleged violations. But in this case, he said, given the openness with which Correct the Record is coordinating with the Clinton campaign, his group may “take them to court” if the FEC fails to act.


In its separate complaint against the Trump campaign and two pro-Trump super-PACs, Rebuilding America Now and Make America Number One, the Campaign Legal Center charges that they too are violating the law.


In the case of Rebuilding America Now, the group charges that it was formed by two former Trump campaign staffers within a 120-day so-called cooling-off period that bars campaign aides from working for super-PACs backing the same candidate. In the case of Make America Number One, the complaint charges that the pro-Trump super-PAC is “intertwined” with the Trump campaign; Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, was the former president of the super-PAC, and was reportedly hired at the behest of the super-PAC’s chair, Rebekah Mercer. In addition, both the Trump campaign and the super-PAC use the same data analytics firm — owned by the Mercer family — to target voters and develop ad content, the group charged.

Seems like both sides are fighting dirty

 

[Sithborg]

So, business as usual with super PACs.

 

[chaseter]

America!

 

[samsnee]

So WikiLeaks leaked some of Clinton's paid speeches. Guess they are trying to counteract Trump's leaks.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Correct The Record shouldn't exist and is probably the most nefarious and Orwellian thing this cycle. All run by good ol' David Brock, the same creep who worked to throw Anita Hill under the bus.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2001/06/2...ttacks-anita-hill-bid-aid-justice-thomas.html

CTR undermines the dialogue we as a society should hold dear when discussing the flaws of our candidates. It muddies the waters so that the sprinkles of truth get lost in a sea of BS.

Clinton did it this time. Who will use this tactic next election?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Ideally, the prohibition on coordinating should be ruled to violate the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution. And money should not be directly conflated with speech and thus limitations on money shouldn't be treated as violating the first amendment.

So basically the opposite of what the situation is today.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

1 month until the election - 31 days

Recent Election Forecasts - (last month's forecasts)
(270 EV to win)

October 8 - Princeton Election Consortium - Clinton 323 EV Trump 215 EV
October 8 - FiveThirtyEight - Clinton 330.5 EV Trump 207.3 EV Johnson 0.1 EV
October 6 - Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball - Clinton 316 EV Trump 215 EV toss-ups 7
October 4 - Benchmark Politics - Clinton 322 EV Trump 216 EV

October 8 - Huffington Post Pollster - Clinton 49.1% PV Trump 42.5% PV
October 8 - Huffington Post Pollster - Clinton 44.2% PV Trump 38.9% PV Johnson 7.4% PV other 3.2% PV
October 8 - FiveThirtyEight - Clinton 48.9% PV Trump 43.2% PV Johnson 6.6% PV

October 8 - New York Times The Upshot Forecast - Clinton 83 % win / Trump 17 % win

Historic Presidential Election Trends & Exit Polls


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The Democratic presidential candidate has won 4 out of the last 6 electoral vote contests as of 2012.
The Democratic presidential candidate has won the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 contests as of 2012.


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Electoral and Popular vote history from the past 100 years

2015 U.S. Population Estimate (U.S. Census Bureau)


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