The Clinton Thread II - Part 2

[DeadPresident]

Hillary wins election, Trump is ashamed and goes into catatonic state, Hillary gets indicted and Kaine becomes president seems like the best case scenario.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Hillary wins election, Trump is ashamed and goes into catatonic state, Hillary gets indicted and Kaine becomes president seems like the best case scenario.

Trump goes to prison for tax evasion, sexual assault and or Trump university and he and Hillary share a cell.

A man can dream though. A man can dream.

 

[Legendver2]

Hillary wins election, Trump is ashamed and goes into catatonic state, Hillary gets indicted and Kaine becomes president seems like the best case scenario.

So what you're saying is, vote for Tim Kaine (by voting for Hillary). Gotcha

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

So what you're saying is, vote for Tim Kaine (by voting for Hillary). Gotcha

or vote for Hillary and for the democrats running for the Senate, so you can actually have a fully functioning and progressive SCOTUS.

Clinton isn't getting indicted.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

or vote for Hillary and for the democrats running for the Senate, so you can actually have a fully functioning and progressive SCOTUS.

Clinton isn't getting indicted.

If you want some fun reading head over to Reddit and read all the crazy Trump supporters sub-Reddits over there. I'm talking about balls to the wall insanity.

 

[Orba]

If you want some fun reading head over to Reddit and read all the crazy Trump supporters sub-Reddits over there. I'm talking about balls to the wall insanity.

People can get banned from The_Donald there without even posting anything in the subreddit, just for saying something that they didn't like in another part of reddit. They also keep breaking the rules by brigading and botting. They are completely nuts.

 

[chaseter]

New Wikileaks dump shows Clinton rigging primary starting in 2014. Democracy in action.

 

[Legendver2]

Can you really call that rigging though? Seems more like a case of extreme preparations and setting up the game plan for an event two years down the line.

 

[DeadPresident]

Can you really call that rigging though? Seems more like a case of extreme preparations and setting up the game plan for an event two years down the line.

What I suggest everyone do when trying to make a value judgment about either candidate until Election Day; ask yourself what your opinion of the action would be if the candidate you dislike was guilty of it.

 

[DeadPresident]

Trump goes to prison for tax evasion, sexual assault and or Trump university and he and Hillary share a cell.

A man can dream though. A man can dream.

That is the new American dream.

So what you're saying is, vote for Tim Kaine (by voting for Hillary). Gotcha

Essentially, if the hypothetical scenario was guaranteed. People should vote for Clinton in any case, but I hope she has her day in court.

 

[Legendver2]

What I suggest everyone do when trying to make a value judgment about either candidate until Election Day; ask yourself what your opinion of the action would be if the candidate you dislike was guilty of it.

I have, and your point? All I'm saying is, they can't rig this against Sanders if he was an Independent in 2014. He wasn't even in the running. It's like many have said, the DNC is a private organization. Sanders basically just pulled a Trump in realigning their partisan identity so they can get on the ticket of a major party. Now if Sanders was winning the popular vote, and there was some voter suppression involved and shady business going on, then yea, that is rigging. But being overly prepare to not repeat 2008 is not rigging. I'm not saying Hillary is the cleanest candidate, far from it, but to pin every little thing on her is just getting ridiculous.

As far as Trump goes, yea, I'll be the first to begrudgingly admit that his remarks early on were pretty off the cuff, but it was general enough to not warrant the amount of backlash he was getting. But as his campaign went on, you can tell his rhetoric turning from just some off the cuff remarks and lazy wording, to him actually literally meaning the stuff he says. As far as everything else that happened to Trump after that, if that happened to the Democrats candidate, I'll be SMH-ing all the way until election day (not that I'm not doing that already with Hillary atm).

P.S. Don't take any offense to what might seem like a harsh tone. I see you around in other parts of the forum too so we're all CBM colleagues. This is the politics forum, so we're allowed to get a little heated Let's just keep the politics in here, and enjoy the madness elsewhere that is MCU v DCEU

 

[Thundercrack85]

Forget Hillary. Let's go with Hitler in 1932. Yes, I am going there. I am not convinced he could have said and done what Trump has said and done and been elected chancellor.

Trump has crossed so many lines once considered uncrossable.

I was shocked when he - a draft dodger - insulted a POW for being captured. Then he insulted the parents of a dead war hero, repeatedly (and never apologized). Then there was the time he tried to get out of giving the proceeds of a charity event to a military charity.

Then there was the time he mocked a disabled reporter. I mean, that's a new low even by our already low standards. And there was the time he made comments about Megyn Kelly so sexist that even Fox News was offended.

Then in the debate, he bragged about not paying taxes.

And if all that wasn't enough, he revealed himself to be a sexual predator.

 

[DeadPresident]

I didn't ask you for an explanation, I just gave a general statement.

What I find interesting is the fact that through Hillary's email leaks we're finding out about a slew of unethical and relatively corrupt behavior that again would've had people saying Trump should stand trial but in the maelstrom of election bull**** it's going lost.

The double standards are confusing. If Trump was responsible for ignoring an employee's requests for help that ended up costing the employee his or her life, again, what would public reaction have been? The lengths people go to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt are astounding.

 

[chaseter]

And her husband Bill, who was also accused of rape and grabby hands.

But hey, Trump is bad doe. Trump. Trumpity Trump Trump. Trumpadook. How Trump Stole Christmas. Nightmare of Wallstreet.

p.s. Trump

 

[Legendver2]

I didn't ask you for an explanation, I just gave a general statement.

What I find interesting is the fact that through Hillary's email leaks we're finding out about a slew of unethical and relatively corrupt behavior that again would've had people saying Trump should stand trial but in the maelstrom of election bull**** it's going lost.

The double standards are confusing. If Trump was responsible for ignoring an employee's requests for help that ended up costing the employee his or her life, again, what would public reaction have been? The lengths people go to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt are astounding.

Same could be said for the other side. We all try to be as objective as possible, maybe you're the most objective person here, but when the fate of the free world hangs in the balance between a corrupt politician or an insane demagogue, we pick out battles. I'd be lying if I wasn't more biased for Hillary. And time and time again, the GOP couldn't find anything to pin on Hillary for emails (so far) or Benghazi. You might feel a certain way, but the court of law stands for the most part, and she's not technically guilty of anything (again, so far).

 

[DeadPresident]

I see little difference between them at the end of the day. Trump is only worse because where Hillary has a (admittedly manipulative and uncaring) brain Trump has a group of chimps with access to the internet and a raccoon working his mouth.

That said they are both cut from the same well-heeled, corrupt political cloth of elites that don't need to concern themselves with the rule of law that applies to the common man. Regardless of the legal technicalities all the information that has come to light about Clinton's conduct as SoS indicates that she couldn't give a **** about the well-being of the people she was charged to represent and protect.

We knew that about Trump all along, he's an uneducated and dangerously bigoted sociopath. Now we're getting more and more confirmation Clinton is equally uncaring, but with a dose of intelligence a much better capacity to hide the fact that she's only out for herself.

 

[Dark Raven]

And her husband Bill, who was also accused of rape and grabby hands.

But hey, Trump is bad doe. Trump. Trumpity Trump Trump. Trumpadook. How Trump Stole Christmas. Nightmare of Wallstreet.

p.s. Trump

Well Newt Grinch did want to be Trump's running mate.

 

[Legendver2]

And her husband Bill, who was also accused of rape and grabby hands.

But hey, Trump is bad doe. Trump. Trumpity Trump Trump. Trumpadook. How Trump Stole Christmas. Nightmare of Wallstreet.

p.s. Trump

And he was impeached for it. Worse Trump faces from the accusations now is just losing an election.

 

[Thundercrack85]

And her husband Bill, who was also accused of rape and grabby hands.

But hey, Trump is bad doe. Trump. Trumpity Trump Trump. Trumpadook. How Trump Stole Christmas. Nightmare of Wallstreet.

p.s. Trump

I don't dismiss those claims. But do we have Bill on tape saying he loves to grab unsuspecting women by the *****?

Also how about the dozens of other huge red flags? 3,500 law suits. Trump university. The Trump Foundation. The race baiting. The wall. The employees he ****ed over. The mocking of the disabled. The Khan feud. The late night Twitter feud with a former beauty queen. Global warming is a hoax. I'm sure I'm forgetting things.

Are we going to overlook all that because of Bill Clinton's rape accusations?

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, it is totally something that matters, because Bill is running for his third term...

 

[Thundercrack85]

I mean, it is totally something that matters, because Bill is running for his third term...

Seems to me to boil down to we can't elect Hillary Clinton cause her husband might be a rapist, so let's elect Trump, an alleged rapist, who has admitted to sexually assaulting women. Also, emails!

 

[DeadPresident]

Same could be said for the other side. We all try to be as objective as possible, maybe you're the most objective person here, but when the fate of the free world hangs in the balance between a corrupt politician or an insane demagogue, we pick out battles. I'd be lying if I wasn't more biased for Hillary. And time and time again, the GOP couldn't find anything to pin on Hillary for emails (so far) or Benghazi. You might feel a certain way, but the court of law stands for the most part, and she's not technically guilty of anything (again, so far).

I agree, I don't see much of a difference in the grander scheme between the republicans or the democrats at the moment. My critique of them is contextually different depending on the time frame we're talking about.

In regards to the election? Everyone needs to what they can to keep Trump the **** out of the white house.

In regards to the integrity of America's political landscape? Clinton needs to be held to account for her actions, and she needs to be treated the way you or I would be treated were we the ones who had done what she had. A rose by any other name and all that.

In terms of Benghazi, if she received information (and what might be called a plea) from an individual who felt (and was arguably) threatened and she had an opportunity to respond to that threat but declined to do so at the very least that's callous, if not unethical and calls into question her character and ability to lead the largest and most sophisticated democracy in the world. Do I believe she should be jailed right now? No, I'm not sure the law would stipulate that. But, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and everything to the most minute detail should be released so that those who head the institutions capable of prosecuting her can see whether there are grounds to do so.

Flouting the integrity of your constitution is a very slippery slope, especially when the precedent is knowingly set that different rules apply to the politically connected. Having it whispered and suspected is one thing, a public confirmation of that fact quite another.

 

[Thundercrack85]

DeadPresident, I disagree with you. But at least you're sane.

 

[DeadPresident]

DeadPresident, I disagree with you. But at least you're sane.

Fair enough. Depending on presentation of new facts regarding the disagreed upon points I may change my stance.

Brass tacks, though, America's political machinery appears more and more to be working for a very specific set of people, irrespective of which side of the aisle they fall on.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I looked into Benghazi, I found nothing.

The emails - though comically blown out of proportion - are a real issue. But whenever Republicans start to go on about those, I can't help but remind them that the Bush-Cheney Administration deleted millions of emails; we don't even know how many were deleted. I think 22 million was the administration's own guess. Yet, no one, including liberals, gives a ****.