The Clinton Thread II - Part 2

[Legendver2]

I looked into Benghazi, I found nothing.

The emails - though comically blown out of proportion - are a real issue. But whenever Republicans start to go on about those, I can't help but remind them that the Bush-Cheney Administration deleted millions of emails; we don't even know how many were deleted. I think 22 million was the administration's own guess. Yet, no one, including liberals, gives a ****.

Well to be fair, those guys aren't running for office right now.

 

[DeadPresident]

I looked into Benghazi, I found nothing.

The emails - though comically blown out of proportion - are a real issue. But whenever Republicans start to go on about those, I can't help but remind them that the Bush-Cheney Administration deleted millions of emails; we don't even know how many were deleted. I think 22 million was the administration's own guess. Yet, no one, including liberals, gives a ****.

Fair point, the digital age has thrown a lot more into the spotlight that just wasn't available previously, our hair might curl at the kind of **** Bush and Cheney discussed and dismissed.

That fact notwithstanding, I'm less concerned about the technical legality of Clinton's actions as I am about what they tell me about her personality and capacity to be a good leader. I don't think America has had an ethical leader in my short lifetime, perhaps Bill was that guy in regard to his people but not in his personal life.

I'm not sure I've seen an ethical leader from any of the major nations in my lifetime, and that's the trend I'm concerned about rather than the trivia of specific elections or individuals. The modern era is littered with examples of piss poor leaders and that trend doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.

 

[Legendver2]

I don't dismiss those claims. But do we have Bill on tape saying he loves to grab unsuspecting women by the *****?

Also how about the dozens of other huge red flags? 3,500 law suits. Trump university. The Trump Foundation. The race baiting. The wall. The employees he ****ed over. The mocking of the disabled. The Khan feud. The late night Twitter feud with a former beauty queen. Global warming is a hoax. I'm sure I'm forgetting things.

Are we going to overlook all that because of Bill Clinton's rape accusations?

For a complete list, check out the end of this Seth Meyers segment

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[Legendver2]

Fair point, the digital age has thrown a lot more into the spotlight that just wasn't available previously, our hair might curl at the kind of **** Bush and Cheney discussed and dismissed.

That fact notwithstanding, I'm less concerned about the technical legality of Clinton's actions as I am about what they tell me about her personality and capacity to be a good leader. I don't think America has had an ethical leader in my short lifetime, perhaps Bill was that guy in regard to his people but not in his personal life.

I'm not sure I've seen an ethical leader from any of the major nations in my lifetime, and that's the trend I'm concerned about rather than the trivia of specific elections or individuals. The modern era is littered with examples of piss poor leaders and that trend doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.

Regardless of Obama's accomplishments or failures, how you you rate him in terms of the ethical scale?

 

[Orba]

I looked into Benghazi, I found nothing.

The emails - though comically blown out of proportion - are a real issue. But whenever Republicans start to go on about those, I can't help but remind them that the Bush-Cheney Administration deleted millions of emails; we don't even know how many were deleted. I think 22 million was the administration's own guess. Yet, no one, including liberals, gives a ****.

And that was a private server run by the RNC themselves, and the Bush administration wiped the server to avoid them being subpoena'd.

 

[DeadPresident]

Regardless of Obama's accomplishments or failures, how you you rate him in terms of the ethical scale?

I don't think he's an unhinged Putin-type by any stretch, but I think he's a much more succinct and duplicitous politician than people give him credit for. The media and pop culture try and prop him up as the straight-backed, honest one, but he's played his cards very shrewdly and delivered certain things (like Bin Laden) at expedient times to distract from his weakness in other areas.

In his heart of hearts he's probably a good man, but he bowed to the status quo the same way most current leaders do and have to and hasn't really done anything to move America away from being governed by the elites for their own interest. What I will give him is that when he came into office he inherited an absolute **** show and a lot of economic indicators improved on his watch. He gets a pass because he had a lot on his plate, and the world is busy going to hell in a little rubber boat - in that context there have been a few areas where he did an admirable job.

History will likely be harsh on his foreign policy which, ethically, I think was his biggest failure. He was so enthusiastic to give the American people their token reprieve from their deadlock in the Middle East that Bush dragged them into that his haste gave us the current humanitarian crisis that the entire world is trying to deal with.

 

[JKKS085]

The lengths people go to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt are astounding.

Trump will go on trial in 3 weeks accused of racketeering and next month in a case in which he is accused of child rape.

I don't think it's a matter of double standard. I think people will give the benefit of the doubt to a seasoned politician with a less than perfect record and a few questionnable marks in a file that has been scrutinized to death for the past 30 years over an egotistic and corrupt maniac who thrives on a lack of transparency, who displays a complete absence of moral standard or decency, who doesn't even have a basic understanding of how government works and displays a very disturbing authoritarian fetish.

It's the lengths people go to polish the Trump turd that really astounds me.

 

[DeadPresident]

Trump will go on trial in 3 weeks accused of racketeering and next month in a case in which he is accused of child rape.

I don't think it's a matter of double standard. I think people will give the benefit of the doubt to a seasoned politician with a less than perfect record and a few questionnable marks in a file that has been scrutinized to death for the past 30 years over an egotistic and corrupt maniac who thrives on a lack of transparency, who displays a complete absence of moral standard or decency, who doesn't even have a basic understanding of how government works and displays a very disturbing authoritarian fetish.

It's the lengths people go to polish the Trump turd that really astounds me.

There isn't much polishing around here, although depending on which kinds of people you talk to you may be seeing that on the ground and in person.

Most folks here (for better and worse) have no problem admitting that Trump is unequivocally the worst candidate for president the USA has ever seen, and hopefully will ever see. When we look back on this I'm sure we're going to shake our heads and wonder what the **** people were on to let this get as far as it has.

As far as him going on trial, he comes from the political and economic elite that breeze through legal protocol like it isn't even there, nothing will happen to him. They could have video footage of him with his hand in the cookie jar and nothing will happen. The bolded could just as easily apply to Clinton from what I've seen, her ability to show compassion seems contingent on what she stands to benefit from it.

 

[Kyle]

DeadPresident for some of us it's either vote for a politican you don't agree with or vote for the devil. I'd be hard pressed to say some aren't just voting for Hillary because she will have the most votes outside of Trump and the more votes she gets the safer we'll be away from a world ruled by Lex Luthor raging against all us aliens... *coughs* excuse me, Trump - the two are easily confused.

As an immigrant bisexual guy, a world where Trump is president terrifies me on all kinds of levels. While I don't think Hillary is the best choice, I voted Hillary to just put one more onto the majority against Trump. Basically I voted anti Trump. And I'd be surprised if others aren't thinking similar.

So how are some of these Hillary things going ignored? Trump's insanity quickly and constantly makes whatever does come out about Hillary old news because he's always doing something new and terrible.

 

[DeadPresident]

DeadPresident for some of us it's either vote for a politican you don't agree with or vote for the devil. I'd be hard pressed to say some aren't just voting for Hillary because she will have the most votes outside of Trump and the more votes she gets the safer we'll be away from a world ruled by Lex Luthor.

As an immigrant bisexual guy, a world where Trump is president terrifies me on all kinds of levels. While I don't think Hillary is the best choice, I voted Hillary to just put one more onto the majority against Trump. Basically I voted anti Trump.

That's an insult to Lex Luthor .

As I stated a few posts prior, I agree with people voting for Clinton in order to keep Trump out of the white house, it's the moral thing to do. I don't agree with people (a number of which reside on this board) conflating that utilitarian decision with giving Clinton a free pass.

Unfortunately a lot of people seem to think the battle will be won if we keep the orange terror away from the white house, all that does is put us exactly where we are with Obama, and that still isn't passable by my standards. Is Clinton going to be able to deal with the geopolitical complexities she finds as well as protect her people and improve their lives? I doubt it.

Clinton's transgressions are ignored because she's only being compared to Trump, few people assess her actions in isolation. We've stepped into a world where "Not as bad as Trump = Objectively good".

 

[Paradoxium]

I heard rumors of "this", being in the NYPD laptop, but I took it with a grain of salt. I didn't believe it, because it was too crazy.

But holy ****, if what is being circulated over the wikileaks thing is even half true, this is horrifying. This might be what Assange was referring to afterall. I thought it was about original email server thing, and a strong smoking gun. Holy **** was I ever wrong.

 

[Paradoxium]

I am holding hope "this" isn't true

Don't worry Kel, I won't discuss it. I know it is against the rules.

 

[Paradoxium]

In other news:

https://***********/PaulaReidCBS/status/794291397113368577

.@CBSNews confirms FBI found emails on #AnthonyWeiner computer, related to Hillary Clinton server, that are "new" & not previously reviewed.

In other words, say hello to the 30k+ deleted emails.

 

[DeadPresident]

Either there's some serious misinformation going on with these emails or something odd is afoot...

 

[chaseter]

And he was impeached for it. Worse Trump faces from the accusations now is just losing an election.

He was impeached for perjury. Democrats don't disown Bill, in fact they love him, even though he was accused of rape and multiple sexual misconduct allegations. The left brushed those aside and are now crying wolf about Trump. Same for the Right supporting Trump and blasting Bill.

 

[Kyle]

I'm for Bill. Was he the greatest? Nope. But being cognizant of Bill's presidency as the first that I can remember he and Obama were the best. In my eyes after Bill left, we were left with the court jester that may have come close to destroying the States and that lasted for eight miserable and frightening years.

I can easily see many ages 27-33 today looking at Bill's presidency similarly with fondness because we were in for a scary awakening with Bush. If you place Bush alongside Trump you have an almost realistic Joker and Lex Luthor team up in my mind.

I'll admit Bill is the other reason I'm voting for Hillary. I feel like I've only experienced three Presidents in my life - Bill, Bush, and Obama. And under Bill, granted I was a kid, I felt safe. So while I don't know how Hillary will do as a leader, 1 of 2 presidencies that were the best that I've lived through were under the Clintons.

Bill has an issue of remaining faithful. Trump has an issue of mocking basically everyone, leaving no minority feeling safe (I know some do, but I can't fathom why).

 

[SV Fan]

In other news:

https://***********/PaulaReidCBS/status/794291397113368577

In other words, say hello to the 30k+ deleted emails.

So you think Huma's emails will have all 30k emails of Clintons that were deleted? Sure ok

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well to be fair, those guys aren't running for office right now.

You can't be that selective with your outrage.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm for Bill. Was he the greatest? Nope. But being cognizant of Bill's presidency as the first that I can remember he and Obama were the best. In my eyes after Bill left, we were left with the court jester that may have come close to destroying the States and that lasted for eight miserable and frightening years.

I can easily see many ages 27-33 today looking at Bill's presidency similarly with fondness because we were in for a scary awakening with Bush. If you place Bush alongside Trump you have an almost realistic Joker and Lex Luthor team up in my mind.

I'll admit Bill is the other reason I'm voting for Hillary. I feel like I've only experienced three Presidents in my life - Bill, Bush, and Obama. And under Bill, granted I was a kid, I felt safe. So while I don't know how Hillary will do as a leader, 1 of 2 presidencies that were the best that I've lived through were under the Clintons.

Bill has an issue of remaining faithful. Trump has an issue of mocking basically everyone, leaving no minority feeling safe (I know some do, but I can't fathom why).

I keep saying she should run as "Mrs. Bill Clinton".

Put that on the ballot.

 

[Kyle]

I keep saying she should run as "Mrs. Bill Clinton".

Put that on the ballot.

People would definitely vote on that. I'm voting on that. More as said she's safer than Trump and nostalgia of remembering the 90s as a great time under Bill, scandal aside, so he must have been doing something right. Or I just have an askew view on his presidency since it was from a kid's vantage point. Main thing I remember is it went from feeling safe to being terrified that Bush would create armageddon.

 

[Legendver2]

You can't be that selective with your outrage.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm trying not to be. Just as you can't fault Hillary for her husband's trouble with women as he's not running for office, you also can't give her a full pass either just because her Republican predecessors did the same boneheaded thing of using private email servers for government work.

 

[Thundercrack85]

In case you haven't noticed, I'm trying not to be. Just as you can't fault Hillary for her husband's trouble with women as he's not running for office, you also can't give her a full pass either just because her Republican predecessors did the same boneheaded thing of using private email servers for government work.

Well, I meant the wonderful people who support Trump and go on and on about emails because they know their candidate is as appealing as rat poison.

 

[Reek]

someone added this on facebook....


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http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1478186067574.jpg

 

[Marvolo]

someone added this on facebook....


https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn....=3530156030cb690dc598f5409e8f45fa&oe=5893C093

Slushy made a thread in the community forum about that. Pretty sure it was closed tho.

 

[Legendver2]

Normally, I wouldn't believe anything from 4chan or reddit and the like. But this election, crazier things have happened... jus sayin