The Clinton Thread II

[chaseter]

What? Taking the Long Way was the follow up album. The album debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200. It sold over 2 million copies in the U.S., being certified 2x platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America as of July 11, 2007. It won 5 Grammy Awards, including Album of the Year, Record of the Year and Song of the Year in February 2007.


Their doing just fine. Courtyard Hounds are selling nicely. Right now Natalie Maines has a rising song on Itunes covering The Beach Boys... God Only Knows... and their next studio album will prolly do just fine.


Will they be invited to sing at the Super Bowl or the Daytona 500? No but **** them.

You left this off the wiki article you got that from:

Taking the Long Way debuted at number one on both the U.S. pop albums chart and the U.S. country albums chart, selling 526,000 copies in the first week (the year's second-best such total for any country act) and making it a gold record within its first week, despite having little or no airplay in areas that had once embraced them. The Chicks became the first female band in chart history to have three albums debut at #1.

Both "Not Ready to Make Nice" and second single "Everybody Knows" were largely ignored by U.S. country radio[76] and failed to penetrate the top 35 of the Hot Country Songs chart. In June 2006, Emily Robison noted the lack of support from other country music performers: "A lot of artists cashed in on being against what we said or what we stood for because that was promoting their career, which was a horrible thing to do. ... A lot of pandering started going on, and you'd see soldiers and the American flag in every video. It became a sickening display of ultra-patriotism."[76] Maines commented, "The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism. Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country ... I don't see why people care about patriotism."

This record was opened with 33% lower sales than their last record.

Them winning Grammy's has nothing to do with their fan's perceptions. Mel Gibson has won awards and will win awards in the future but his tyrades and rants have hurt him and his business.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I left that part out because it was irrelevant to the point I was making. I said they were doing just fine. I didn't suggest that they were doing as good or would do so in the future.


So make your points without dragging me into it.

 

[Kelly]

Someone left out part of a source in order to prove a point....ON THIS FORUM....OMG....for shame.

That has NEVER happened before....

*wink*

 

[chaseter]

I left that part out because it was irrelevant to the point I was making. I said they were doing just fine. I didn't suggest that they were doing as good or would do so in the future.


So make your points without dragging me into it.

The point is that her little monologue caused her and her group a lot of their fan base and in turn huge amounts of revenue. That was my point. She shouldn't be whining and *****ing about how people reacted to her. Sure they are doing fine. Mel Gibson is doing fine too.

You drug yourself into it when you interjected.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON'S APPROVAL RATING AT 66 PERCENT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/31/hillary-clintons-top-score/

 

[Kelly]

Whistles "Hail To The Chief"....

 

[DACrowe]

That's actually hilarious. Clinton was the deciding voice that convinced Obama to push for Libya (well that or Rice saying she could get the UN Sec. Council to go beyond a no-fly zone, it is still vague)....and while his approval rating is dropping because of this, her's is soaring. Go figure.

 

[Kelly]

She was giving her speeches from the White House, or regions where all of this was going on....

Obama was giving his speeches from his "working vacation" in Rio ...

Go figure...


People get ALL OVER ME, and say I'm bashing Obama...blah......blah........blah.

When all I am saying is this...... "Perception IS people's REALITY".... this is not something that even at the age this man is....he has apparently NOT learned. OOOOOR, doesn't give a ****.

So be it...Mr. President....so be it.


Maybe the people don't like this "war" because

1. Congress knew nothing...
2. "We" knew nothing...
3. Is the US in charge, yes, no, maybe....yes, no, what was the question again?
4. You mean to tell me that my son/daughter will be saying "yes sir" to someone who is NOT his commander?
5. Obama: Gaddafi needs to go, no wait he can stay....no wait, we bombed his house? oh, well he needs to go...oh wait, we just lost the Arab League as the face of this coalition....then he needs to stay....oh wait, they've NEVER BEEN the face of this coalition? Well who the **** told me they were? WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE?????
hmmmm....

 

[DACrowe]

I'm not bashing either one. Just observing. I think it has little to do with Hillary Clinton's speeches actually. The ones in D.C. were from Foggy Bottom, not the White House, but most of them she made in Paris when the bombing started.

It's just people who pay attention to these details seem to support the humanitarian effort and credit Clinton with the push. Those who oppose action in Libya aren't paying attention on the behind-the-scenes games and blame Obama for pulling us into another "war," if it is in fact a war.

I think it has more to do with particular audiences perceptions than Obama being in Rio or not--that's more of a Fox News right wing thing than anything else.

 

[Kelly]

Maybe.....maybe not.


To me it looks pretty simple....

One is looking like a leader, the other isn't.


Don't misinterpret that as me saying....Obama isn't leading....that is not what I'm saying.

Perception...perception.........perception.

 

[DACrowe]

I see you updated, so...

1. Congress knew nothing...
2. "We" knew nothing...

I wouldn't say we know nothing. The endgame and what our role would be in potential nation building is what worries me. If people say they still don't know why we're bombing Libya, they're willfully choosing to remain ignorant on that.

3. Is the US in charge, yes, no, maybe....yes, no, what was the question again?
4. You mean to tell me that my son/daughter will be saying "yes sir" to someone who is NOT his commander?

NATO. Well there's two of your questions answered again.

5. Obama: Gaddafi needs to go, no wait he can stay....no wait, we bombed his house? oh, well he needs to go...oh wait, we just lost the Arab League as the face of this coalition....then he needs to stay....oh wait, they've NEVER BEEN the face of this coalition? Well who the **** told me they were? WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE?????
hmmmm....

Fair point. Save for whose in charge. NATO, again. Albeit, we run NATO. We just can tell the French and Brits where to go to.

 

[DACrowe]

Maybe.....maybe not.


To me it looks pretty simple....

One is looking like a leader, the other isn't.


Don't misinterpret that as me saying....Obama isn't leading....that is not what I'm saying.

Perception...perception.........perception.

...To those paying attention and support the military action, they're crediting Hillary. That explains why her approval rating goes up. The irony is, those who oppose the military action (which seems to be most independents), aren't paying attention to who was in Rio and who got on board for bombing two days earlier. They're blaming the president. And if it goes bad, they should because the buck stops with him.

Otherwise, the anti-war voters would not be applauding Hillary either.

 

[Paradoxium]

I trust Clinton less than Obama.

I personally put more blame on her (and Rice) for the recent shenanigans in Libya than Obama.

 

[Kelly]

Well, I guess I'll just repeat what I just said as well....


She looks like more of a leader than he does. She looks to be "on the front line" so to speak. Obama doesn't....

 

[Paradoxium]

Oh she does, I am not arguing that. Not exactly a tall task though t:

 

[Marx]

Hillary Clinton has ALWAYS been more of a leader than Barack Obama.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Edit: Nahhh . . . too much.

 

[Kelly]

lol....chicken.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Does Chelsea have any interest in running for office? Because when Hilary leaves, it'll be the first time in 20 years that there will not be a Clinton in a national office.

 

[Marx]

Edit: Nahhh . . . too much.

...I can still see what you wrote.

Does Chelsea have any interest in running for office? Because when Hilary leaves, it'll be the first time in 20 years that there will not be a Clinton in a national office.

...not that I am aware of. It'll be a sad, sad day when she 'retires' from political life.

 

[Marx]

FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON: BIRTHER ISSUE IS 'LUDICROUS'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/04/bill-clinton-birther-issu_n_844349.html

 

[Pink Ranger]

Did anyone catch 30 Rock last night?

"President Inter-Bush." I think a thread rename is in order.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Hillary Clinton has ALWAYS been more of a leader than Barack Obama.

That's not saying much.

 

[CGHulk]

I'd like to thank George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton for selling out all of America with NAFTA! Yeah the Democrats or evil, oh wait the Republicans are evil, I'm so confused!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

 

[Matt]

Yep. Read Thomas Frank's "One Market Under God," and you will begin to understand what a lackluster president Clinton really was. He made moves that assured short term success for his own political career at the expense of long term failure for our country.