The Clinton Thread II

[Victarion]

I don't see why Hillary keeps sidestepping the email thing. She could take the wind out of their sails and just say, "yea, I made a mistake," and be done with it.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I don't see why Hillary keeps sidestepping the email thing. She could take the wind out of their sails and just say, "yea, I made a mistake," and be done with it.

She's already done that on at least one occasion that I know of. There is just a small chunk of idiots within the GOP that think charges will be filed. Don't see it happening.

 

[Victarion]

She's still getting grief on shows like MSNBC's morning Joe - and its their other commentators giving her grief, not just Scarborough.

 

[Matt]

She's already done that on at least one occasion that I know of. There is just a small chunk of idiots within the GOP that think charges will be filed. Don't see it happening.

Huffington Post ran an article this morning claiming that an indictment was forthcoming as earlier as tomorrow according to "sources." They've since removed the article. I doubt a retraction is forthcoming though, considering internet journalism is ****.

 

[Slushy]

Clinton nonprofit scandal.

Shocking.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, they probably thought that the Justice Department would have something juicy like an indictment and they wanted to be the first, when they came out with their findings, and then, there wasn't anything juicy so they had to delete quick.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Election polling snapshot - Late April/early May 2016
Historic election results and trends (1988-2012)

This chart combines the latest opinion polls into trendlines and is updated whenever a new poll is released.

25 May 2016

Amended current poll based EV map. Light shade = <+3%, Mid = +3-+10%, Dark = >+10%. Polls last 60 days.

27 May 2016

Sam Wang - Princeton Election Consortium:
State-poll snapshot: Clinton 336, Trump 202 EV; Meta-Margin +4.2%

 

[Slushy]

This is a map of the last Presidential election. Historically, The Northeast and the West are blue states while the South and Midwest are red states. Florida and Ohio are the most important states to win.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Clinton Foreign Policy Speech (June 2, 2016)

 

[SV Fan]

I am guessing North Carolina goes blue before Arizona does

 

[souvlaki]

So Harry Reid has been actively reviewing Massachusetts rules for filling a Senate vacancy. While I like having Warren in the Senate having her on the ticket would be a sure fire way to put out the fire Sanders started in the primary. Considering some of the attacks from Warren toward Trump the last few weeks it definitely makes sense.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Warren would be a terrible choice for both Clinton's campaign and Warren's career. She's better suited for the Senate to ferment her movement of making the Democratic Party more left. And Hillary should be focused on moderate voters and Never Trumpers who aren't very comfortable with her as opposed to vocal Bernouts. Hillary should aim for a 70/30 election, not a 55/45 one. And I don't think that Warren and Hillary would work well together.

 

[Matt]

Warren would be a terrible choice for both Clinton's campaign and Warren's career. She's better suited for the Senate to ferment her movement of making the Democratic Party more left. And Hillary should be focused on moderate voters and Never Trumpers who aren't very comfortable with her as opposed to vocal Bernouts. Hillary should aim for a 70/30 election, not a 55/45 one. And I don't think that Warren and Hillary would work well together.

I agree. If Clinton really wants to hit the BernOut demos she should go with Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Safer choice, swing state, popular, long serving congressman.

 

[Marvolo]

I really don't want to lose Warren in the Senate. The Vice President is a glorified understudy. Warren is so much more than that.

 

[souvlaki]

I agree. If Clinton really wants to hit the BernOut demos she should go with Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Safer choice, swing state, popular, long serving congressman.

I'm not against this at all but what are the rules regarding Senate vacancies in Ohio? I thought he was pretty much out of contention because it was a guaranteed democratic loss in the Senate.

 

[souvlaki]

I really don't want to lose Warren in the Senate. The Vice President is a glorified understudy. Warren is so much more than that.

Eh, Biden was a pretty influential Vice President as was Cheney and it puts Warren in a good position to run in eight years. I'm not completely against the idea. Sanders is dangerously close to giving the election to Trump, and if throwing the left a bone to get them to vote for Clinton in November prevents that then I'm okay with it.

 

[Marvolo]

Eh, Biden was a pretty influential Vice President as was Cheney and it puts Warren in a good position to run in eight years. I'm not completely against the idea. Sanders is dangerously close to giving the election to Trump, and if throwing the left a bone to get them to vote for Clinton in November prevents that then I'm okay with it.

Cheney was essentially the president and Bush was an idiot. But it's not about having general influence. It's about having influence in specific areas and her being able to focus on specific things. Warren is better off in the Senate pushing for social progress and college tuition reform etc than stuck in the white house having to deal with the day to day BS that would take up all of her time.

Why do you think she repeatedly says she doesn't want to run for president? She knows where she needs to be, and she doesn't want to get distracted by all the B.S. that takes up all of a president's and vice president's time.

She needs to stay in the Senate and not kill four to eight years just to up her chances of being elected to an office she doesn't seem interested in.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I know this is probably going to annoy people, but I just can't see America voting for two women.

 

[routhman]

I know this is probably going to annoy people, but I just can't see America voting for two women.

I mean, it's shameful, but you're right.

 

[souvlaki]

I don't think that would be an issue honestly. I'm not like completely sold on it but I'd sleep a lot easier if it happened. I voted for Clinton, I think she will make a good president but there is undeniably a huge enthusiasm problem for Clinton. She's basically likely going to win because she's not Trump. Warren is really the only VP pick that I think would excite people that were basically sitting this election out. Yes, it's a gimmicky pick but it's not a gimmick in the same way Palin was. She probably would have won if she ran this year, and Sanders' performance this year is pretty good evidence to support that.

 

[L33CHem]

Brace yourselves America...

Speaking in Ohio about her plans to revitalize coal country, Clinton said, "We're going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business."

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?”

“My husband may have his faults, but he has never lied to me.”

"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have learned (about Islam) has come from my daughter. (As) some of you who are our friends know, she took a course last year in Islamic history."

 

[souvlaki]

You do realize most people know at least a couple of those quotes and still don't care right? Hell, I agree with the first two quotes (in context which those quotes are completely out of context or just really badly worded), believe the third quote may or may not be true because there really isn't any reason to believe she knew about Bill and even if she did it's none of our business, and the last post is fairly naive but I'm assuming is from the mid 90s when most people didn't know anything about or care about Islam.

 

[Matt]

I'm not against this at all but what are the rules regarding Senate vacancies in Ohio? I thought he was pretty much out of contention because it was a guaranteed democratic loss in the Senate.

I think that is a concern. But I also think if focus group testing indicates that Brown will deliver Ohio (or even help out there), he will be added to the ticket in a heartbeat. Considering the opposition's candidate, the presidency is priority one.

Eh, Biden was a pretty influential Vice President as was Cheney and it puts Warren in a good position to run in eight years. I'm not completely against the idea. Sanders is dangerously close to giving the election to Trump, and if throwing the left a bone to get them to vote for Clinton in November prevents that then I'm okay with it.

At the end of the day, the Vice-President's role is whatever the President makes it. Biden and Cheney had a good deal of influence because their Presidents were inexperienced and chose to give the two elder statesmen significant roles in the administration. Compare that to Clinton/Gore, Bush/Quayle, and Reagan/Bush. Those three Veeps were NOTHING in the administration. I like Hillary Clinton, I will vote for her. I can't see her and Elizabeth Warren working well together. Both are too alpha-minded (same with Bernie Sanders). That would lead to Warren being relegated to a minimal role.

Sherrod Brown is more laid back and has more experience of working with others, negotiating, etc. He would have a voice in the administration but also would know when to acquiesce. I think he and Clinton would have a much smoother working relationship and he would be more likely to be an active VP than Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Matt]

Cheney was essentially the president and Bush was an idiot. But it's not about having general influence. It's about having influence in specific areas and her being able to focus on specific things. Warren is better off in the Senate pushing for social progress and college tuition reform etc than stuck in the white house having to deal with the day to day BS that would take up all of her time.

Why do you think she repeatedly says she doesn't want to run for president? She knows where she needs to be, and she doesn't want to get distracted by all the B.S. that takes up all of a president's and vice president's time.

She needs to stay in the Senate and not kill four to eight years just to up her chances of being elected to an office she doesn't seem interested in.

Yeah....Warren is a logical choice to succeed Harry Reid. She knows exactly what she is doing. She has even played this primary brilliantly. By refusing to endorse, she has been able to put herself in the role of neutral party elder who has credibility in both camps. She is positioning herself to be the real power broker in the party. Being VP would diminish that.

That being said, I do think she regrets not running for President this cycle. Everything is timing in politics and I think that she miscalculated. I think she saw the Sanders movement start to grow and thought that it could stoke some fires and then, in 4 years, when Clinton loses to Rubio, Cruz, or Bush, she could take down a weak incumbent by riding the wave that Sanders started.

Unfortunately for her, Trump has taken what should've been a slam dunk year for Republicans and made them the underdog. Beyond that, I think she underestimated how large the Sanders movement would get. If she entered the race, Sanders would've quickly become a non-entity. He would've been a less electable, less well known version of Elizabeth Warren. She would've stolen 3/4s of his support and probably half of Clinton's. She would've taken the nomination and probably the White House.

Unfortunately, by the time she realized this it was too late.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

BREAKING: @AP finds Clinton reached the number of delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nomination for president

https://mobile.***********/AP/status/739975278483656705

Hillary Clinton has commitments from the number of delegates needed to become the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee for president, and will be first woman to top the ticket of a major U.S. political party. An Associated Press count of pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses and a survey of party insiders known as superdelegates shows Clinton with the overall support of the required 2,383 delegates. Now the presumptive nominee, she will formally accept her party’s nomination in July at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...n-has-delegates-to-win-democratic-nomination/

Hillary Clinton has secured a majority of delegates to the Democratic National Convention, NBC News projected on Monday evening, meaning the former secretary of state is now the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party.

To win the nomination, a candidate must secure a majority of all delegates, or 2,383. But 15 percent of the total delegate pool is made up of superdelegates — current and former elected officials and party activists who aren't bound to vote for the candidate selected by voters in their home state's primary.

Many — but not all — of the Democratic superdelegates have publicly declared their support for either Clinton or her rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Clinton's win in the Puerto Rico primary — where 60 unpledged delegates were at stake — pushed her total, including hundreds of superdelegates, beyond 2,383.

Clinton was widely expected to reach the 2,383 threshold on Tuesday, when six states hold their nominating contests on one of the final primary nights of the race.

The final Democratic primary will be held on June 14 in the District of Columbia.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ic-number-delegates-clinch-nomination-n586181