The Clinton Thread II

[SV Fan]

Hell, I agree with the first two quotes (in context which those quotes are completely out of context or just really badly worded)

I believe the first quote about getting coal miners out of jobs leaves out the part where she wants to do stuff to help them find other jobs, but of coarse that doesn't make it seem so bad. You didn't build that you know. lol

All that being said when they talk about the worst jobs in the world isn't it usually compared to being a coal miner? Why does the right try to make out a coal miner as some wonderful job

 

[Marvolo]

All throughout human history jobs have become outdated and people have been left without jobs because their job was replaced by something else. Its a part of progress.

We can help those people who are left without jobs to make the transition to other jobs, but we cant keep a harmful industry alive just because it provides jobs. Replace all the coal mines with clean energy industries. Sooner rather than later. Train and hire former miners for the jobs that move in and replace the coal mines. It wont be popular with all the miners. Some will be upset that they have to change jobs, and I sympathize, but it has to be done at some point. Coal mines arent something we should be fighting for. At all.

 

[Silvermoth]

So is it officially Clinton versus Trump now? Geez, two very different contestants. You Americans sure are masters at dramatic tension

 

[Marvolo]

Dick Morris Is in Talks to Join the Trump Campaign

Before Donald Trump’s campaign was derailed by his racist attacks on a federal judge, the GOP nominee was surprisingly disciplined in his attacks on Hillary Clinton. His chief strategy: recycling the scandals of the 1990s. Now, even as Trump is doubling down on his rants about the judge, it appears he’s not entirely given up on his original plan. According to two sources with direct knowledge of the talks, the Trump campaign is in discussions with Dick Morris, the former Clinton adviser-turned Clinton nemesis, about joining the campaign as a strategist. Morris would “join the Hillary unit,” one source explained. “It’s on the table,” a senior Trump adviser added. “Some of the most important info about the Clintons is 20 years old.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/dick-morris-in-talks-to-join-the-trump-campaign.html

 

[Schlosser85]

20 years old and irrelevant

 

[routhman]

So is it officially Clinton versus Trump now? Geez, two very different contestants. You Americans sure are masters at dramatic tension

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

C-SPAN - Hillary Clinton Primary Night Speech Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton spoke to supporters in Brooklyn, New York.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?410728-1/hillary-clinton-delivers-primary-night-remarks

 

[Thundercrack85]

So now it's up to Hillary Clinton to save America.

Well, I guess we're still doing better than the Philippines.

 

[Slushy]

So is it officially Clinton versus Trump now? Geez, two very different contestants. You Americans sure are masters at dramatic tension

This is perhaps the worst Presidential Election in US history.

 

[souvlaki]

This is perhaps the worst Presidential Election in US history.

Jesus, Clinton isn't even the worst Democratic candidate in my lifetime and I'm in my early 30s. I'll give you Trump though, but you need a history lesson if you honestly believe this.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Jesus, Clinton isn't even the worst Democratic candidate in my lifetime and I'm in my early 30s. I'll give you Trump though, but you need a history lesson if you honestly believe this.

I don't know. Sure we've had some stinkers, but never someone as unpredictable as Trump in a time where the whole world can be ended with a phone call.

 

[Slushy]

Jesus, Clinton isn't even the worst Democratic candidate in my lifetime and I'm in my early 30s. I'll give you Trump though, but you need a history lesson if you honestly believe this.

There's a strong dislike for both candidates. When's the last time that's happened before Bush and Kerry?

 

[Alex Murphy]

 

[chaseter]

Whoever wins, we all lose.

 

[redhawk23]

The main problem with Hillary Clinton as a candidate is that her only message or vision offered up thus far has mostly been. "I'm Hillary Clinton". You can pick apart their specific points and statements but both Trump and Sanders have really put forth platforms of the problems they perceive and how they want to fix them. These direct messages really specifically hit home for a lot of people.

While it obviously didn't work out I think Romney and Ryan did a great job of the debates in 2012 press ting " a five point plan" that they could really drive home. Obama looked like a sleep Walker in comparison.

 

[Matt]

The main problem with Hillary Clinton as a candidate is that her only message or vision offered up thus far has mostly been. "I'm Hillary Clinton". You can pick apart their specific points and statements but both Trump and Sanders have really put forth platforms of the problems they perceive and how they want to fix them. These direct messages really specifically hit home for a lot of people.

While it obviously didn't work out I think Romney and Ryan did a great job of the debates in 2012 press ting " a five point plan" that they could really drive home. Obama looked like a sleep Walker in comparison.

Actually, she has a comprehensive platform that has laid out plans for nearly every issue imaginable.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Its so easy to buy into the myths that Hillary Clinton is this evil, conniving shrew...who ran solely based on her name or gender or ties to Wall Street or whatever. But the fact is, none of these narratives hold up to any amount of scrutiny.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The main problem with Hillary Clinton as a candidate is that her only message or vision offered up thus far has mostly been. "I'm Hillary Clinton". You can pick apart their specific points and statements but both Trump and Sanders have really put forth platforms of the problems they perceive and how they want to fix them. These direct messages really specifically hit home for a lot of people.

While it obviously didn't work out I think Romney and Ryan did a great job of the debates in 2012 press ting " a five point plan" that they could really drive home. Obama looked like a sleep Walker in comparison.

If you think Trump has any kind of comprehensive plan other than build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and ban Muslims from the country I'd be really interested in seeing it since he hasn't appeared to mention much else since his campaign started.

 

[stlblues84]

If you think Trump has any kind of comprehensive plan other than build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and ban Muslims from the country I'd be really interested in seeing it since he hasn't appeared to mention much else since his campaign started.

You may not agree with any of it, and he says some awful things at the podium, but his plans are out there:


Health Care:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

US/China Trade Reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

VA Reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/veterans-administration-reforms

Tax Reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

2nd Amendment Position
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

Immigration Reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I see 6 plans whereas Clinton has many more.

 

[stlblues84]

I see 6 plans whereas Clinton has many more.

That's true...but to say he has no comprehensive plans at all is wrong...and he certainly has more than any of us. I'm still undecided in this election anyway, and likely won't vote for either one of them...but only time will tell...I have until November

 

[Kelly]

There's a strong dislike for both candidates. When's the last time that's happened before Bush and Kerry?

You cannot really compare candidates of today with anyone before the 24 hour news cycle. It's like apples and oranges.

 

[Clark-Kent]

If you think Trump has any kind of comprehensive plan other than build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and ban Muslims from the country I'd be really interested in seeing it since he hasn't appeared to mention much else since his campaign started.

Groups of people form these plans, don't kid yourself. Trump may not have his own comprehensive plan rehearsed yet from his advising team...but I'd say Hillary isn't exactly brainstorming original plans for policy either. She does have it memorized better though.

 

[Marvolo]

Difference is Hillary will actually listen to advisors whereas with Trump...well, we have all seen how well he listens and deals with constructive criticisms.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

President Obama endorses Hillary Clinton for President of the United States:

"I don’t think there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office." (AP)

 

[SV Fan]

Difference is Hillary will actually listen to advisors whereas with Trump...well, we have all seen how well he listens and deals with constructive criticisms.

At times she listens to much because when she talks it seems like she is just spewing what was polled tested to sound good. lol