The Clinton Thread

[Kelly]

McCain can just tool around the country for the next few months, talking about his life, and watch the Democratic Party implode............they better get their **** together before June......

 

[redfirebird2008]

yeah McCain's biggest enemy right now is himself. He's just gotta tread water lightly and be careful, try to avoid any Iran/Al-Qaeda type gaffes and just sit back and laugh at the Dems.

 

[Cosmic]

There are actually "real" reasons to not vote for them......

Don't vote for Hillary, because she won't hesitate to use people as fodder for her political ambitions. For the Clintons, people with no names, and no political power, are nothing but fodder. I don't know...I think it's a valid reason.

And again with the excuses. I mean, does she need campaign handlers to think for her? To consider, even for a second, that details of this deputy's story might be (gasp!) inaccurate? To consider, for one fraction of a second, that telling this lie out on the trail would hurt real people, such as the staff of the hospital that was implied in this yarn?

 

[redfirebird2008]

Mark Penn has been asked to step down from Clinton's campaign. This should save them some headaches (he's an agitator and finger-pointer that blames everything on other members of the campaign) as well as a lot of money (he gets paid top-notch money b/c he's considered a top-notch consultant). So two birds with one stone should get knocked out by booting Penn: some of the headaches and some of the financial troubles.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Oops, looks like he's not really out. He's still going to be a pollster for the campaign and will still be providing advice. This is like when Karl Rove became a "pollster" after the Plame scandal. I'm sure this is mostly about trying to look like they got rid of Penn due to his pro-free trade discussion with Colombia (not playing well in Pennsylvania with the unions there) and also by having him in more of a behind-the-scenes role, he charges less and her campaign can save some money.

 

[Excel]

Does Hillary have any idea what a "backround check" is because with all the people coming and going on her campaign it makes me wonder...

 

[souvlaki]

Well, I think exaggeration is a problem of most politicians.....I think it must be a prerequisite or something....

just a few more examples...
Obama said his parents met and joined -- got together at the Selma March, and that led to them being together and him being born. Well, he was born four years before the Selma March.

That doesn't mean a whole lot. This is sort of like Hillary's "lie" about who she was named after. You could easily chalk this up to a family story that got exaggerated over time. It may have been an honest mistake.

He claimed to be a constitutional law professor, and turned out not to be.

That actually is not true. He WAS a constitutional law professor, and his former school debunked this shortly after this was reported.

Claimed to speak fluent Indonesia as a child. His schoolteacher said that was not the case.

One school teacher, that taught him over 40 years ago? You are a teacher, aren't you? Do you remember every detail about the students you taught even five years ago, let alone 40? For that matter, he was younger than 10. Maybe he thought he WAS fluent, and remembered being able to speak it well. I mean, he was a kid.

He claimed that he had a racial awakening at the age of 9 by reading a LIFE magazine article about an African-American man was scarred physically and mentally by trying to make himself look more white. LIFE magazine and Ebony magazine never published such an article.

Once again, this was almost 40 years ago. Just because it was not LIFE magazine, does not mean he completely imagined the article. That's like saying you saw a really good show on NBC 40 years ago, but it turned out it was actually on ABC. Has anyone proved that such an article was never published in any publication when Obama was younger?

Now mind you, Hilary REALLY, REAAAALLLLY exaggerated on hers....that's for damn sure......but I think theres quite a bit of exaggeration going around this election year.

Yeah, but there is a difference between remembering something slightly differently from when you were ten or younger, and remembering SNIPER FIRE at a highly publicized event a little over ten years ago. And then on top of that, lying about it AGAIN even after she was corrected. I mean, I'm only 26 years old, and I constantly remember things differently than my family from when I was a kid. But I remember trips I took ten years ago quite clearly, and would certainly remember sniper fire. If Hillary was remembering her trip to Bosnia from when she was 10, it would be one thing... if she remembered things from that event even slightly differently it would also not be a big deal. But sniper fire? I mean, let's be realistic here. Either her memory is just complete crap, or she's lying. I'd hardly call what she said "exaggerating"... Her story goes way beyond a simple exaggeration.

 

[Matt]

That doesn't mean a whole lot. This is sort of like Hillary's "lie" about who she was named after. You could easily chalk this up to a family story that got exaggerated over time. It may have been an honest mistake.

An honest mistake in which he forgot the date of his birth? Please.

Obama is just as dishonest as Clinton.

 

[Kelly]

Don't vote for Hillary, because she won't hesitate to use people as fodder for her political ambitions. For the Clintons, people with no names, and no political power, are nothing but fodder. I don't know...I think it's a valid reason.

And again with the excuses. I mean, does she need campaign handlers to think for her? To consider, even for a second, that details of this deputy's story might be (gasp!) inaccurate? To consider, for one fraction of a second, that telling this lie out on the trail would hurt real people, such as the staff of the hospital that was implied in this yarn?

Well, honestly Cosmic.....I make my own mind up about who I vote for......as I said before, most politicians do this, out of the 3, McCain is the true Maverick.........he has had to court the Conservative right, but if anyone thought that he could get the candidacy without doing that, they are simply ignorant.....

I can assure, there are plenty of reasons why I won't vote for any of these people.......right now, I'm looking for the reasons why I should........and I'll find those through my own research, news watching, debates etc..........no one here will know, until after the vote, and possibly not even then... If it were someone that I felt passionate about, I would be on the campaign trail with them this summer.......I don't have that this go around. Maybe in 2012.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I just read the press release regarding Penn's removal as chief strategist. But um...he "asked" to step down? Are they kidding us?

I swear, this campaign is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

But not even showing up (which was what Barack Obama chose to do,) or having a speech in which an african-american man holds the umbrella over your head while it's raining (which is what John McCain did) is even worse.

What???!? No offense, but...that was a silly comment.

I still :heart: you though.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Only the rich ever lead first world countries.

Was Obama from a wealthy family?

 

[Matt]

I just read the press release regarding Penn's removal as chief strategist. But um...he "asked" to step down? Are they kidding us?

I swear, this campaign is the gift that keeps on giving.

In all fairness LS, basically any campaign would say that. "They left amicably." "They want to move onto different opportunities," etc. Obama would say the same if one of his advisors stepped down.

 

[Excel]

How does one get involved to campaign for a candidate???

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

In all fairness LS, basically any campaign would say that. "They left amicably." "They want to move onto different opportunities," etc. Obama would say the same if one of his advisors stepped down.

Meh. I believe there's more to it than that Matt. He is still working for her, albeit in a different area now. So technically this was just a slap on the wrist "for show" to voters. I seeeeriously doubt he "stepped down" of his own free will.

Essentially, it seems this was done as a "band-aid" to accomodate all the bad press. And it's commensurate with Hillary's campaign's motto: "Do anything and everything you can to destroy and win until you get caught. If you do happen to get caught we'll simply "fire" you for publicity and then rehire you through the backdoor."

 

[Excel]

Ummm....wow

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

They don't...look very wealthy there.

 

[Excel]

To be honest...I welcome this "I started speaking out against the war before Barack" stuff from her. For real, its over. She's always been a known liar, but for some reason many forgot that in the past few months. She gave us a great reminder with Bosnia, and because of that, there are not gonna be any new passengers on the Hillary express for a long time. All there will be are people getting off.

Getting off because like everyone else, they know their candidate lies. And gets caught. And then when she keeps lying, it is a slap in the face to the people who support her because it's like she thinks they have no intelligence.

People are over her, and they dont believe her. As long as she keeps giving us more stuff to make her supporters lose respect for her, like these recent more comments, the better a hold Obama gets on the nomination.

 

[Excel]

Was Bill?

 

[The Senator]

How does one get involved to campaign for a candidate???

It depends on your qualifications and level of experience with the political field. If you have no experience and come from a background outside of politics and management, you are usually placed at a simple desk job, or your out in the field handing out brochures and other informational devices at rallies. If you have some experience, maybe a bachelor's degree, you are usually at a desk and in the field doing the same things. If you have a college degree or two, in addition to campaign or political experience, you usually have a desk job, though you'd be writing letters, calling donors, organizing events, etc. If you have multiple degrees and/ or significant management/ campaign experience, you usually get an executive-level job, where you're put in charge of important matters, perhaps regional GOTV efforts and what not. If you're educated, experienced, and a high roller in the party, you're usually given a high-level job as well.

With campaigns, you pretty much have to work your way from the bottom up, like any other job, or have a significant relationship with the candidate. For example, if you worked in Hillary Clinton's senate office as a legislative assistant, you could theoretically be an issues adviser. If you once volunteered for one of her senate campaigns, you would probably be a field worker. And if you were a former high ranking official in the party who wanted a job on her campaign, you'd probably chair one of the departments in her campaign.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Can you share with us what your position is? You are quite knowledgeable of her campaign's inner workings, and somehow I doubt you are a mere peon. So...give up the ghost!

 

[redfirebird2008]

Ummm....wow

What's wrong with this that makes you say "wow"?

 

[The Senator]

Can you share with us what your position is? You are quite knowledgeable of her campaign's inner workings, and somehow I doubt you are a mere peon. So...give up the ghost!

I was an unpaid field worker for her Presidential campaign from September through November, and I had the same position on her Senate campaign in late 2006.

 

[Gilpesh]

I was an unpaid field worker for her Presidential campaign from September through November, and I had the same position on her Senate campaign in late 2006.

TELL ME WHERE THE BODIES ARE?!!?!?!??!?!!




But srsly... how much a punch in the gut is it to see her now fumble for a new lie?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Unpaid? So you really must believe in her huh? And no, I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all here.