The Dark Knight The Composite Christopher Nolan Interview Thread

[Paste Pot Pete]

Batman having a sidekick is almost as bad and that's why I don't like the idea of introducing Robin in the future Batman movies. The Dark Knight is alone. That is one of the main reasons why he is so fascinating IMO. And same goes for the Joker. Sidekicks always tend to take something integral away from the main characters. Yes, sometimes they are abel to add something too but the cons usually over-shadow the pros IMO.

Batman was only around for ONE YEAR before Robin was introduced. He's been a part of Batman for as long as the Joker has.

You can prefer Batman without him, but you can't deny that he has been at his side (whether it be Dick, Jason, Tim, etc) for the vast majority of Batman's career. If you can't tolerate Robin, you must not be able to tolerate most Batman comics.

 

[DoctorJones]

Lest we forget, the Joker's first appearance(s) had Robin in it.

 

[Juha]

Batman was only around for ONE YEAR before Robin was introduced. He's been a part of Batman for as long as the Joker has.

You can prefer Batman without him, but you can't deny that he has been at his side (whether it be Dick, Jason, Tim, etc) for the vast majority of Batman's career. If you can't tolerate Robin, you must not be able to tolerate most Batman comics.

Yeah, I acknowledge that.

When it comes to the comics, I do prefer the ones that feature as little Robin as possible. In the comics, I'm able to see Robin as an inevitable weakness. In the comics it's often all about the long haul and the characters come and go and their signifigance varies. This is why I can tolerate Robin in the comics.

But it's a different thing with a two-hour motion picture. A movie has to be dense and as effective as possible from start to finish b/c it's operating under rather strict limitations. In my opinion a character such as Robin just takes the effectiveness away from the main character and from the entire movie. Side-kicks just slow things down and they slow the main characters down because they have to have their own stories and their own action scenes and their own emotional scenes etc.

This is the case especially with Batman IMO. If you put Robin in a Batman movie, he practically has to be almost as important to the story as Batman is. He cant' just come and go and his signifigance can't vary in a two-hour movie. It can't be just about Batman and Bruce Wayne anymore. It has to be about Robin and Dick Grayson too. And I don't like that. I wan't the Batman movies to be exclusively about Bruce Wayne. About his fears, hopes, dreams, nightmares, inner conflicts, childhood traumas etc. There's no room for Robin b/c Bruce's story alone is so vast.

 

[blueblazer2]

A good final scene would be a mention of a certain selina kyle!



Or maybe a scene of Joker laughing in Arkham but that seems too obvious !

I hope not . I think adding Catwoman to this current movie franchise is a bad idea .

 

[Ama Zing]

I think Catwoman would be a good addition, especially if Rachel dies. Otherwise there's no female characters in the movie.

 

[Gianakin_]

Absurd! Bring on Catwoman, at all costs!

 

[Pennyworth]

I hope not . I think adding Catwoman to this current movie franchise is a bad idea .

Agreed. Leave the female villians in the books...too ridiculous for this franchise.

 

[Monster]

I have to disagree, a female lead like Harley or Catwoman providing it has a decent storyline would be decent enough.

 

[Gianakin_]

What's wrong with a female villain? What makes her ridiculous?

 

[Monster]

True Gianakin.

 

[Pennyworth]

To me, theres just something campy about the sexual tension, guys beating up on girls and vice versa, the bad jokes, etc. Maybe it's just the impression left by previous films, but in Nolans world, it just doesn't seem possible to keep the gritty/serious vibe while including a Catwoman, Poison Ivy or Harley character.

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm merely asking, because I'm curious why a female villain wouldn't fit in Nolan's world.
I'm starting to see the point of some people who are going against Nolan's Batman, you know. Some people say things just to say them, or because it's popular opinion. The whole thing with realism is starting to get on my nerves. Not that I'm becoming angry at Nolan of course, but at some followers who will in the future give him a bad name with their statements. Kinda like Batman and his fake wannabes.

 

[undyingsoul]

What's wrong with a female villain? What makes her ridiculous?

female villain = sexy time = w000000t

 

[Gianakin_]

To me, theres just something campy about the sexual tension, guys beating up on girls and vice versa, the bad jokes, etc. Maybe it's just the impression left by previous films, but in Nolans world, it just doesn't seem possible to keep the gritty/serious vibe while including a Catwoman, Poison Ivy or Harley character.

You saw the script or heard Nolan's ideas for BB3 about a villainess? You know there will be bad jokes? And what's campy about a man beating a woman, or a woman fighting?

 

[Gianakin_]

female villain = sexy time = w000000t

Well, when all else fails... that's true.

 

[undyingsoul]

Well, when all else fails... that's true.

it'll be just like that porn i saw with a guy and a girl dressed like batman and catwoman...lol i kid i kid!

 

[Gianakin_]

it'll be just like that porn i saw with a guy and a girl dressed like batman and catwoman...lol i kid i kid!

No joke, I once caught a porn with Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecter.

 

[Ama Zing]

I believe they call that 'Rule 34'

 

[Gianakin_]

Lol, not gonna argue, didn't look into it.

 

[Pennyworth]

You saw the script or heard Nolan's ideas for BB3 about a villainess? You know there will be bad jokes? And what's campy about a man beating a woman, or a woman fighting?

I have not seen a script. I'm just going off his treatment of BB, and what we've seen of TDK. Just don't see it happening. Not that it's right or wrong, just my opinion of Nolan.

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm curious, not attacking you: And what elements from the BB treatment exclude women as villains?

 

[undyingsoul]

No joke, I once caught a porn with Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecter.

zomg!!!

 

[Monster]

Now that's porn for you.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

This is the case especially with Batman IMO. If you put Robin in a Batman movie, he practically has to be almost as important to the story as Batman is. He cant' just come and go and his signifigance can't vary in a two-hour movie. It can't be just about Batman and Bruce Wayne anymore. It has to be about Robin and Dick Grayson too. And I don't like that. I wan't the Batman movies to be exclusively about Bruce Wayne. About his fears, hopes, dreams, nightmares, inner conflicts, childhood traumas etc. There's no room for Robin b/c Bruce's story alone is so vast.

But the thing is, a story "about" Robin is still a story about Batman. Just like TDK will have a Joker that plays a major part, often upstaging Batman as he usually does, it's still about Batman. It's always about how these supporting characters are viewed through Batman's world; how they impact him and vice versa. How they reflect his inner struggles. He's a very introverted character; we need these more flamboyant, extroverted characters to reflect off him. BR gets criticized for being "about" Catwoman and Penguin, when it's really about Batman's issues with duality, revenge, his mommy/daddy complex, etc. All Catwoman and Penguin are are reflections of these traits, amplified.

Plus, Robin is a very important part of Batman's development as a character. Without him, or any of these supporting characters, he's a very static character. HE, generally, is the absolute - I am Batman forever, it's something I have to do, I am isolated in my quest, yadda yadda. That's fine, but it's not going to keep an audience's interest for 3+ movies. Robin helps his growth, it's an outlet for him to deal with issues as a character that would otherwise never arise. It's good storytelling. Even Schumacher knew this; while he stumbled in many areas, particularly starting Robin off so old so that the father/son relationship became a brothers relationship, he knew that there were really rich avenues to take with the character. That doesn't mean it has to grow into the extended Bat-Family, but it's something for Bruce to deal with, which makes his character more interesting.

 

[Gianakin_]

Robin represents legacy. Batman's legacy. And I'm a sucker for such stories. So, I'd love to see Dick as Robin again one day, but only as a trilogy arc in which he chooses to leave Batman and become Nightwing.