The Dark Knight The Composite Christopher Nolan Interview Thread

[undyingsoul]

But the thing is, a story "about" Robin is still a story about Batman. Just like TDK will have a Joker that plays a major part, often upstaging Batman as he usually does, it's still about Batman. It's always about how these supporting characters are viewed through Batman's world; how they impact him and vice versa. How they reflect his inner struggles. He's a very introverted character; we need these more flamboyant, extroverted characters to reflect off him. BR gets criticized for being "about" Catwoman and Penguin, when it's really about Batman's issues with duality, revenge, his mommy/daddy complex, etc. All Catwoman and Penguin are are reflections of these traits, amplified.

Plus, Robin is a very important part of Batman's development as a character. Without him, or any of these supporting characters, he's a very static character. HE, generally, is the absolute - I am Batman forever, it's something I have to do, I am isolated in my quest, yadda yadda. That's fine, but it's not going to keep an audience's interest for 3+ movies. Robin helps his growth, it's an outlet for him to deal with issues as a character that would otherwise never arise. It's good storytelling. Even Schumacher knew this; while he stumbled in many areas, particularly starting Robin off so old so that the father/son relationship became a brothers relationship, he knew that there were really rich avenues to take with the character. That doesn't mean it has to grow into the extended Bat-Family, but it's something for Bruce to deal with, which makes his character more interesting.

i totally get what you mean if they could/would do robin in a very non corny way id be all 4 it

 

[Pennyworth]

I'm curious, not attacking you:

It's cool.

And what elements from the BB treatment exclude women as villains?

Nothing specifically...just that I think it may be harder to make a serious, plausible movie with female villians. Again, maybe I just disliked Burton's Catwoman, and Schumacher's Ivy more than others.... Maybe Nolan could change my mind - I just don't think he will.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Robin represents legacy. Batman's legacy. And I'm a sucker for such stories. So, I'd love to see Dick as Robin again one day, but only as a trilogy arc in which he chooses to leave Batman and become Nightwing.

Totally agreed.

 

[Gianakin_]

Okay. I guess we can only wait on that one. Nobody can prove anything to one another.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

I just want everyone to know... I respect your opinions.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Nothing specifically...just that I think it may be harder to make a serious, plausible movie with female villians.

Do you feel the same about female heroes?

Again, maybe I just disliked Burton's Catwoman, and Schumacher's Ivy more than others.... Maybe Nolan could change my mind - I just don't think he will.

I disliked Schumacher's Two-Face and Bane too, but it's not going to make me say male villains can't work.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I just want everyone to know... I respect your opinions.

And I respect that.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Thanks for posting link.

 

[Gianakin_]

I love you all.......... Yes, I'm drunk.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

And I respect that.

 

[Pennyworth]

Do you feel the same about female heroes?

pretty much, yes.

I disliked Schumacher's Two-Face and Bane too, but it's not going to make me say male villains can't work.

I agree. That's why I'm excited to see Nolan's interpretation of Two-Face. My point is just that I don't expect Nolan to tackle any female villians, not that he couldn't do better than Schumacher...

btw, love your "location" Pete. t:

 

[undyingsoul]

I love you all.......... Yes, I'm drunk.

i love and yes, im NOT drunk....scary? yes....very...muwahahaaha

 

[Gianakin_]

i love and yes, im NOT drunk....scary? yes....very...muwahahaaha

The Creeper!

 

[Ama Zing]

It's cool.



Nothing specifically...just that I think it may be harder to make a serious, plausible movie with female villians. Again, maybe I just disliked Burton's Catwoman, and Schumacher's Ivy more than others.... Maybe Nolan could change my mind - I just don't think he will.

Not to be 'that guy' but uh, that's kinda sexist dude. You're saying that you can't take female villains/heroes seriously?

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Not to be 'that guy' but uh, that's kinda sexist dude. You're saying that you can't take female villains/heroes seriously?

Woman are weak and not clever enough to be decent superhero's, it's a 100% scientific factual fact.

 

[undyingsoul]

The Creeper!

babay dont fear the creeper da na na na na

 

[undyingsoul]

Woman are weak and not clever enough to be decent superhero's, it's a 100% scientific factual fact.

lol i seriously hope that was just a joke

 

[Gianakin_]

Not to be 'that guy' but uh, that's kinda sexist dude. You're saying that you can't take female villains/heroes seriously?

I'm not sexist, but with movies and heroines like Tomb Raider, Alias, Aeon Flux, I can see where he comes from.
It's that I'm not going to say that a female villain wouldn't fit in Nolan's world.

 

[Pennyworth]

Not to be 'that guy' but uh, that's kinda sexist dude. You're saying that you can't take female villains/heroes seriously?

I'm not trying to be sexist, it's just that I prefer my superheros to be males...I'm not saying there shouldn't be any female heros. And again, my original point was just that I didn't see Nolan using any female villians.

 

[Ama Zing]

I'm not sexist, but with movies and heroines like Tomb Raider, Alias, Aeon Flux, I can see where he comes from.
It's that I'm not going to say that a female villain wouldn't fit in Nolan's world.

Alias wasn't that bad. But I agree that a lot of the recent action movies with female leads have been ****, which can't really help. But still, saying that a female villain would take away from the seriousness/plausability of the movie? That's not cool.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I'm not trying to be sexist, it's just that I prefer my superheros to be males...I'm not saying there shouldn't be any female heros. And again, my original point was just that I didn't see Nolan using any female villians.

I think if you explain why you don't see Nolan using them, people will get off your back.

He's obviously into female empowerment; he had Rachel fry Scarecrow's damn face off.

 

[Pennyworth]

I think if you explain why you don't see Nolan using them, people will get off your back.

Ok, my thought is that Nolan may do one more Batman movie after TDK, (who knows?) but I just figured he wants to keep the focus on Bruce/Batman and one of the bigger villians. Joker in TDK and Two Face in the (hopefully) third film. I just don't see him trying to squeeze in more villians...maybe he could pull off a Selina Kyle/Catwoman. But it becomes distracting with all the story lines and takes away from the focus on Batman.

No offense intened to female heros/villians or those that love them out there...but I just feel that the movie would take on a more traditional comic book feel, rather than the gritty serious feel he's got going.

Just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[Ama Zing]

Ok, my thought is that Nolan may do one more Batman movie after TDK, (who knows?) but I just figured he wants to keep the focus on Bruce/Batman and one of the bigger villians. Joker in TDK and Two Face in the (hopefully) third film. I just don't see him trying to squeeze in more villians...maybe he could pull off a Selina Kyle/Catwoman. But it becomes distracting with all the story lines and takes away from the focus on Batman.

No offense intened to female heros/villians or those that love them out there...but I just feel that the movie would take on a more traditional comic book feel, rather than the gritty serious feel he's got going.

Just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone.

That there's a good opinion. Your previous wording made it sound like female villains just made movies silly. But your concern about story lines is perfectly fine and for the record, I agree with you on it. The only way I could see them bring in Selina is if they do kill off Rachel, to keep the balance, but otherwise no I don't think Catwoman's needed for the storyline.

 

[The Mobb]

I don't really think it's sexist to not like female heroes/villains so much as it is sexist to portray all female heroes/villains as voluptuous sex kitten or dominatrices, which leads to many not taking them seriously/finding them appropriately intimidating.

I don't like Catwoman or Ivy either because the sexy villain temptress holds very little interest for me.

 

[Crook]

That really only applies to Ivy. But even then, she's more than a sex figure.

Most of the female characters in the Batman lore are sexy, but they do have character beyond that.