The CW's Nikita

After reading some of Comic Book Kid's arguments, I transferred what I wrote from the cancelled pilot's thread about Nikita. I found we were largely in agreement with the Blade comparison. I didn't know if anyone else might have seen it that way. Great minds think alike perhaps :woot:.

"I think the new Nikita erred in using Alex to be the POV into the world of Division. I think we might be able to identify with and empathize with Nikita more if the show had started with her induction into Division and perhaps ended the pilot with her breaking free of them.

As it stands now, she sort of does nothing but hang around between missions in a hi-tech, very nice apartment (never explained how she can afford it, especially if she's being hunted constantly by Division). But I digress, the show is largely Alex's show, because we are seeing more of her journey. With Nikita's we are getting it in flashback. But I think the audience should see first hand the transformation of the character from a troubled girl into a stone cold assassin to a doubting assassin, to someone capable of falling in love, and then into a vengeance fueled person. There's a lot of potential for great drama there that has been reduced to the occassional flashback scene.

I also think the show made a mistake by not focusing, if only briefly on her lover. With Alias, we got about 15 minutes of the dude, but that made him more of a real person to me, so when he was murdered, I could empathize with Syndey more.

Nikita's storytelling structure reminds me a little of Blade the Series, and how the writers made Krista far more interesting than Blade, the title character, because there was more on the line for Krista (since she had infiltrated the vamps and could be discovered at any moment). Blade, like Nikita, usually hovered in the shadows and administered the occasional beat down but that was about it. However, I think Nikita's writers have treated her character a little better than the Blade writers at this stage in their respective series."

As for the tweaking, I'm not sure what to make of it until I see it. A little romance for Nikita might open up her character more. Though I was hoping they were going to do something with her and Michael. Him having the drop on her about every week and letting her go was getting old, so I was hoping that he might finally come over to the side of the angels.
 
Damn! Alfalfa went crazy on Division tonight!
 
So this scary organization can get taken down by some upstart rookie? No wonder he hated the idea of being a guard.

I notice they always cheoreograph Nikita using an object to beat her opponents. Very effective and the car explosion tactic was awesome.
 
Well, you have to figure the makers of the show acknowledge how tiny Maggie Q is, so being able to take any object and use it as a weapon is pretty useful. Like Jason Bourne and his love of books and rolled up magazines.
 
I think having Maggie Q around (with occasional scenes of her wearing skin-tight clothing) will keep the male viewers glue to this show. :o

Except that Lyndsy Fonseca is WAY hotter than Maggie Q.

I think the audience should see first hand the transformation of the character from a troubled girl into a stone cold assassin to a doubting assassin, to someone capable of falling in love, and then into a vengeance fueled person.

OR...you can rent Luc Besson's La Femme Nikita OR the American remake with Bridget Fonda OR the USA series. This show went with the right approach. We've seen Nikita's backstory THREE times already. By progressing the storyline they've made the show more interesting to watch.
 
The last two episodes have been a big step up in quality for this show.
 
Except that Lyndsy Fonseca is WAY hotter than Maggie Q.

Not to me. I'm shocked that anyone can say that, actually.





I've been watching random episodes, mostly out of order, and I LOVE this show. It was designed with me in mind, I think.
 
Catman,

In regards to your reply to my comment, you're making the assumption that everyone who is watching CW's Nikita has seen the other films/shows. Count me in the number of those who haven't. I tried Point of No Return, but it was boring.

And since this is a loose adaptation at best, I don't think it would hurt to see how this show deals with Maggie Q-Nikita's backstory. I would think CW is trying to expand the audience, from what I'm hearing of the tweaking that's coming, and a reintroduction of the character, as they interpret it, would've been a good thing IMO.

As it stands now, where is Nikita's character arc? She's largely completed her arc by the beginning of the series and its structure has limited where she can grow. It doesn't mean there isn't room for character development. She can find love, she can have a life, if she wants it. But right now, her life is more about the mission to end Division, than the journey, and we don't know what she plans to do after that, or even if she has plans. She's just an instrument of vengeance. Now, Alex, you're seeing more of her journey and to be fair, you're seeing the Nikita backstory a fourth time to some extent, its just through Alex's eyes, so why not do that for the title character?

Regarding Lyndsey v. Maggie, Q all day. She's got great legs, looks dynamite in anything red. I wish she had a little more meat on her bones though. Lyndsey is attractive, but Q is fine.
 
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^ I see what you're saying, I don't think Q's storyline is as thin or completed as you're saying. We don't know what Lil Girl's plans are after her mission is either, but that doesn't make the arc completed. It's action heavy, sure, but her arc is there. Neither do I think that a different direction with a character is necessarily done because previous directions have already been seen, but simply because they've already been done.
 
you're making the assumption that everyone who is watching CW's Nikita has seen the other films/shows.

I'm aware, but you also have to think about the people who have and they're the target audience since the "brand name" is the whole reasons for doing this show in the first place.

As it stands now, where is Nikita's character arc? She's largely completed her arc by the beginning of the series and its structure has limited where she can grow.

There's plenty of growth. She's a woman on a revenge mission. She has no life outside of that. The CW wants to add more romance to attract their core female audience, so that'll be interesting growth. She lost the man she loves. Can she love another? Can she protect him? Can she handle another loss? See, there's plenty of room to go elsewhere.

we don't know what she plans to do after that, or even if she has plans. She's just an instrument of vengeance

We're not even half-way through season one yet. This is a TV show not a movie. They don't need to rush everything. Eventually, we'll get around to those things. Season one of a TV show is very important because it's what establishes the universe. The audience is just starting to learn about Division, their allies, their enemies, the people who work there, etc. That's the focal point. In a recent episode we discovered that there's another organization who plans to take over once Nikita takes down Division. So, you see, they're still exploring the show's universe. All this is groundwork for future seasons.

Now, Alex, you're seeing more of her journey and to be fair, you're seeing the Nikita backstory a fourth time to some extent, its just through Alex's eyes, so why not do that for the title character?

You're only seeing a fraction of Nikita's backstory. Alex is a mole. She's not going through the same emotions as Nikita. She's better prepared.
 
^ I see what you're saying, I don't think Q's storyline is as thin or completed as you're saying. We don't know what Lil Girl's plans are after her mission is either, but that doesn't make the arc completed. It's action heavy, sure, but her arc is there. Neither do I think that a different direction with a character is necessarily done because previous directions have already been seen, but simply because they've already been done.

I was referring more in terms of Nikita's emotional arc. But you and Catman do make some good points.

I'm not expecting all of these things to be answered in season one, but I would like to feel confident that the show is headed in that direction with Nikita as the main character, the character whose experiences and growth are the central part of the show.

As for new fans v. old fans, I'm not sure I agree. Granted, CW went with a brand name, but like many other remakes, I think they go for the brand not necessarily to bring back in old fans, but because the name is vaguely familiar like Battlestar Galactica for example and all those movies they remake every month in Hollywood. The goal has to be to always expand the audience. Though it is good to get the old fans talking and spreading buzz.

So, I could see CW Nikita starting from stage one/origin with no problem creatively because though the journey might be similar it would or could also be different. Truly, how many old fans would bail on an origin story for Nikita if it was well told and well acted?

If anything I would've liked a two-hour telefilm or something or a STV movie that establishes her breaking away from Division.

I think flashbacks should only be used sparingly and that the story should generally move forward.
 
Holy crap Nikita's breakout was awesome. That pulling down the chain was badass!

Still not sure how Alex being an outside agent will work. She still isn't a killer despite what happened.
 
Holy crap Nikita's breakout was awesome. That pulling down the chain was badass!

Still not sure how Alex being an outside agent will work. She still isn't a killer despite what happened.

There was a long period of Nikita not killing anyone on the USA series.

They can figure it out here. I'm glad it hasn't taken the whole season to get Alex to agent status. Sad how it went, though. That rival recruit's gonna be PISSED!
 
There was a long period of Nikita not killing anyone on the USA series.

That's got nothing to do with this version. How many episodes this season didn't end up with a fire fight? She still needed Nikita to save her butt when the guards bust up the wedding kill. She certainly isn't ready to pull of that weightroom beatdown on her own(and some of those chumps were supposed to be better trained than her).
 
This episode was just epic. Nikita and the chains, Nikita vs. basically every person in Division. And looks like Nikita/Alex will be working together more now. Felt bad for Thom though. This show needs to win some kind of award for its action scenes, they are the best on tv.
 
I like the way that torture woman ran out of the room as soon as the ceiling cracked! The big bad wet her skirt!
 
The chain breaking scene was nicely shot, very superhero-y. The last few eps have been good and fleshed the show out (The ep where Nikita and Michael worked together was the best so far imo) and I like the fact Alex's arc is progressing.

I'm hoping Nikita crying was just to stall 'The Inquisitor' because a badass like her should be harder to break than being shown a hidden cam vid of her dead boyfriend.

On a side note I thought it was quite funny that a big mob boss had such poor security that no one noticed a hottie with a laptop sitting on the roof in broad daylight. :funny:
 
Really enjoyed last week's episode. A lot of stuff happened, big stuff that moved the ball forward and mostly in a good direction. I think the main guy is suspicious of Alex, and probably suspects she is the real mole so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
On a side note I thought it was quite funny that a big mob boss had such poor security that no one noticed a hottie with a laptop sitting on the roof in broad daylight. :funny:

I was more surprised that division was all over that property and none of them noticed!
 

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