The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

Bran The Man said:
That People magazine article feels VERY familiar...

I remember seeing things like this with Henry Cavill JUST before they started filming Man of Steel, the "Man who is gonna be Superman" and all of that stuff. I was SO excited for what lied ahead.

And with Superman Returns, the movie may not have delivered, but the video game sure did!

The idea to give the "health bar" not to Superman, but to Metropolis as a whole was creative.
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Congratulations, you learned how promos work. :o
 
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Nemeres said:
I agree. The big criticism is that it revived the Donner era rather than do a new thing, but that was not a problem necessarily. The idea of Superman disappearing for 5 years for a noble reason, returning and finding out Lois/the world moved on was legit interesting. It could have been good, and it was not the nostagic Reeve take that prevented that.

As for the action bits, there's a quote in Roger Ebert's review that sums it up great: "even the special effects seem dutiful instead of exhilarating." The plane rescue is brilliant, but the island and yacht scenes feel a bit dead in comparison. You have the super detailed island with all the rock spikes and water cascading down beautifully, but I remember thinking: This looks huge and expensive, but none of it comes close to Spider-Man 2's train scene.
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The yacht scene was kind of ridiculous to me. Felt like we were watching some other thriller movie, and not a Superman movie. The Titanic splitting, and trying to start up the plane engine to lift it in the air. Just felt unnecessary to me. Watching all the trailers for SR, I was speculating what the story was going to be especially the climax, but there was essentially almost no dialogue with Superman. There was some cliche action sequences. Lifting up New Krypton though...sigh. It was all boring.

On another note, I just remembered what else irritated me about Bryan Singer. His mediocre take on the character Apocalypse in X-Men. Again, because of Singer's arrogance and refusal to read comic books...he got the character wrong. But what I found to be more of a nuisance was how he felt the audience wanted more Jennifer Lawrence. If I'm not mistaken, the reason her makeup was reduced was so you could see it was Jennifer Lawrence's face. For the sake of showing her movie star face. At times, Singer only thinks like a business man. What sells tickets. This just made me detest him more. He said the same thing about Oscar Issac for Apocalypse. He said, "I want you to see that it's Oscar Issac."

What's more impressive to me is seeing an actor perform and not even recognize the-'star' if you will- underneath their makeup and/or performance. Heath Ledger as the Joker for instance. One of the few things that made him performance phenomenal, wasn't just about how good his performance was, but how unrecognizable he was. At times you wondered was it really Heath Ledger performing the character? Because that's how good he was. And just being unrecognizable in the makeup alone made the performance impressive. I remember having this argument with someone personally, and he said, "Well Jennifer Lawrence is a mega movie star, and Heath Ledger was relatively unknown at the time before The Dark Knight." I couldn't disagree more.
 
Black Narcissus said:
Credit to Gunn for admitting Batman is the most important character at WB. Great interview.
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Meh. Batman's played out and overdone, and before you tell me Superman has been too, well if you take thr last 25 years into account, batman has had success after success, while thr last time Superman was worldwide popular was during Christopher Reeve's time in the 80s. Sure Smallville was successful for a tv show aimed at teens, but outside of that, Superman has been met with either terrible adoptions (man of steel, BVS etc) or a kind of indifference (Superman and Lois) by the general public. Batman Begins people loved, The Dark Knight people loved, Thr Dark Knight Rises, people liked, Affleck Batman alot of people liked, Pattinson Batman alot of people came around too and seem to love that world. What's Superman had other than misfire after misfire?. When a Superman movie or property eventually hits people the way the Reeve films did back in the 70's/80's, watch how quickly Batman takes a back seat to a real hero worth actually looking up to.
 
Black Narcissus said:
Credit to Gunn for admitting Batman is the most important character at WB. Great interview.
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Yup agreed and that's why they're using Superman to start the DCU......love that bald logic, keep it up.

Meanwhile: It's been 3 years since the batman came out and they're still waiting for a script from Reeves.:like:
 
MAN O STEEL said:
Meh. Batman's played out and overdone, and before you tell me Superman has been too, well if you take thr last 25 years into account, batman has had success after success, while thr last time Superman was worldwide popular was during Christopher Reeve's time in the 80s. Sure Smallville was successful for a tv show aimed at teens, but outside of that, Superman has been met with either terrible adoptions (man of steel, BVS etc) or a kind of indifference (Superman and Lois) by the general public. Batman Begins people loved, The Dark Knight people loved, Thr Dark Knight Rises, people liked, Affleck Batman alot of people liked, Pattinson Batman alot of people came around too and seem to love that world. What's Superman had other than misfire after misfire?. When a Superman movie or property eventually hits people the way the Reeve films did back in the 70's/80's, watch how quickly Batman takes a back seat to a real hero worth actually looking up to.
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Superchan said:
Yup agreed and that's why they're using Superman to start the DCU......love that bald logic, keep it up.

Meanwhile: It's been 3 years since the batman came out and they're still waiting for a script from Reeves.:like:
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Why everyone got to fall for the most obvious bait? :weeping:

But yes, Batman is the most valuable asset at DC. That's not news and hasn't been for nearly 4 decades. Why does anyone care?

Reeves has had some personal issues. Keep the delay out of this pettiness, please.
 
Nah, no bait intended. Comment deleted on my part. I had the Batman thread open as well, just a mistake.
 
Bran The Man said:
That People magazine article feels VERY familiar...

I remember seeing things like this with Henry Cavill JUST before they started filming Man of Steel, the "Man who is gonna be Superman" and all of that stuff. I was SO excited for what lied ahead.

And with Superman Returns, the movie may not have delivered, but the video game sure did!

The idea to give the "health bar" not to Superman, but to Metropolis as a whole was creative.
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That's just what you do in these circumstances. You know, "Meet the new Superman. Meet the new Batman. Meet the new Bond."
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Why everyone got to fall for the most obvious bait? :weeping:

But yes, Batman is the most valuable asset at DC. That's not news and hasn't been for nearly 4 decades. Why does anyone care?

Reeves has had some personal issues. Keep the delay out of this pettiness, please.
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No worries Darth it's all in good fun, the bald man is just a little sore about the fact that his preferred character isn't in the spotlight anymore and that his favourite Superman (bald Cavill) isn't a thing anymore. I get it.

As for Batman being DC's most valuable asset, well I have to disagree. That might've been the case during the DK trilogy reign but those days are long over and while The Batman was a solid hit it didn't do as much as Wonderwoman or anywhere near Aquaman. In fact even MOS made more when you adjust for 9 yr inflation (although adjusting for inflation has it's own shortcomings).
Ultimately WB have hedged all their bets on Superman and not Batman and this tells me that Batman isn't their most valuable asset anymore, just the way I see it.
Right now, DC is in a precarious position, WW84 flopped, Aquaman 2 made less than half of the original, the audience have long since given up on the DCEU and the whole cinema world is in a "wait and see" mode when it comes to our boy Kal.

As for Matt Reeves, well lets be honest non of us has any idea what problems (if any) Reeves has, we don't know the man and until he himself of someone like Gunn or Safran makes a statement regarding this I suggest we take anything we hear regarding Reeves with a grain of salt. Personally I wish Matt Reeves the best because he's an excellent director with a good reputation in Hollywood but I find it hard to believe that it's been 3 years and they still haven't finished a script.
 
I do enjoy the fact that there's a breach of ethics in Clark covering Superman and choosing to write things about himself that are ultimately complimentary. Practicing "terrible" soundbites for interviews. It's the right dash of naive, but it just makes sense to use his platform to make it clear to people that he is not to be feared, despite the naysayers.

And the part of it that is self-serving and that shows his need for love and approval... I'm into that too because it shows he's a little damaged too and yearns to belong. The characterization works for me however I look at it.
 
Since the topic of SR has come up periodically, I feel a little bad that James Marsden got wasted in that movie and as Cyclops in three movies where it was clear that Singer and his writers had no interest in the character. To be fair, X-Men basically started his career, but the guy is so talented that I would love to see him pop up in a real CBM role at some point. I was just thinking how great he could have been as (the not evil but highly manipulative) Max Lord in the DCU. Nothing against Sean Gunn, I’m sure he’ll be fine, but I wish James had saved that role for someone else.
 
"There are a couple of people, specifically, who have pretty large followings who just consistently put out false stories, just one after the other after the other, 95 percent of the time. Maybe once out of every 20 times, they say something that has some slight or partial basis in reality. And it gets to be old. I'm not sure, some of those people, that I'm not actually helping them in a certain way by debunking them, because you're giving them traffic, which I always do, but I think they like it. So I mostly quit."

Gee I wonder who he means...

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Man, I hope he didn't remove the barrel roll shot altogether. I kinda love that.

There was that situation on social media where people thought David flying was a CG superimposed thing. Was that telling, when you talk about having to figure out how to pull off these mechanics of getting David to fly authentically?

No, I don't think it was so much. It was a TV commercial and it wasn't a finished visual effects shot. So the part of him flying, it was a photograph of his face and him flying. It was a photograph of a drone flying in front of an actual background. So all the pieces were real, but it was incorporated in kind of a funky way. I didn't love the shot, so it's not even the shot that's in the movie. Sometimes I'm pretty strict about when I'm going through a trailer and looking at each of the shots, but sometimes the commercials, I forget to look at this closely. So that one kind of got by me.
 
ArmsHeldOut said:
Man, I hope he didn't remove the barrel roll shot altogether. I kinda love that.

There was that situation on social media where people thought David flying was a CG superimposed thing. Was that telling, when you talk about having to figure out how to pull off these mechanics of getting David to fly authentically?

No, I don't think it was so much. It was a TV commercial and it wasn't a finished visual effects shot. So the part of him flying, it was a photograph of his face and him flying. It was a photograph of a drone flying in front of an actual background. So all the pieces were real, but it was incorporated in kind of a funky way. I didn't love the shot, so it's not even the shot that's in the movie. Sometimes I'm pretty strict about when I'm going through a trailer and looking at each of the shots, but sometimes the commercials, I forget to look at this closely. So that one kind of got by me.
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He did say it's not the shot that's in the movie, so that implies something is there.... hopefully a more refined version! Loved the concept, the execution just looked a bit off.
 
Tracking is all over the place.

I still believe this movie will open in the $150M+ range. There's too much hype around it for it to not at least open big.

I think a lot of the estimates that are on the lower end is analysts being conservative because of the failures of the DCEU.

This is the only film this summer that's coming out that actually feels like an event.
 
MAN O STEEL said:
When a Superman movie or property eventually hits people the way the Reeve films did back in the 70's/80's, watch how quickly Batman takes a back seat to a real hero worth actually looking up to.
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I mean, we've spent the past two decades being inundated with superheroes rising in notoriety, and at worst, Batman's arguably only behind Spider-Man in terms of overall popularity. Batman will be fine regardless, just like he usually was when Superman was the most popular.

Superman himself would disagree with the assertion that Batman isn't a real hero.
 
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For anyone who wants to read the reaction to the first 30 minutes of Superman that was shown. There's no spoilers, just a reaction in the thread to what was shown.

Take it for whatever it is worth because typically I feel like people can be caught up in the moment with all that jazz and celebrity around them.

https://*****/deadpoopiez/status/1935706449025610205?t=EQBo0VeULgYjiT9qsw_TTg&s=19
 
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