The Dark Knight The Dark Knight 'Ask A Question'

[CaptainClown]

1. No... he doesn't keep his sticky gun on him at all times. At the hostage scene he had time to go to his bike to get it before. He also was anticipating a run in with the Joker. The saw cutter/brass knuckles/bender device was very small and could fit easier on his belt vs a collapsible gun.
2. No, his suit doesn't give him enhanced strength to keep his limbs together. It serves as protection. Think of it this way you could put knee pads on and protect yourself from falling down. However your knee pads don't prevent your legs from bending backwards. Same logic applies. It protects but not that much.
3. THey aren't grounded in reality. Stop it...stop...they aren't.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Read the Batman Begins Novel. It says he managed to open only half of his cape.

But what happened in the film? Novels or adaptations of films tend to change things. I don't remember Batman being able to do anything, he was too busy...Burning.

 

[CaptainClown]

The grappling gun's line was strong enough to hold Batman when he was being dragged by the monorail in BB. In TDK, the line didn't break when Batman fired it at the Joker who was falling.

Batman was standing and not defying gravity when making a radical pull.

 

[Bat101]

1. No... he doesn't keep his sticky gun on him at all times. At the hostage scene he had time to go to his bike to get it before.

He didn't go back to the Bat-Pod to retrieve the Sticky Bomb Gun. After talking with Gordon, he glided over to the hostage scene.

When Batman was about to jump off the skyscraper in Hong Kong, You can see the Sticky Bomb Gun collapsed and attached to the back of his belt.

 

[CaptainClown]

He didn't go back to the Bat-Pod to retrieve the Sticky Bomb Gun. After talking with Gordon, he glided over to the hostage scene.

When Batman was about to jump off the skyscraper in Hong Kong, You can see the Sticky Bomb Gun collapsed and attached to the back of his belt.

Well he had time to grab it if he needed it at the batpod. Remember he is riding around the city looking for Joker so he is probably thinking hm.... if he is in a building I might need this. He could have easily kept the gun on the bat pod and just grab it later.

 

[Bat101]

Batman was standing and not defying gravity when making a radical pull.

so.

Look on youtube for "Skyhook". There are examples, real life, examples of soldiers being retrieved from the ground in a standing position with the skyhook procedure. And their shoulders are NOT ripped off.

 

[Bat101]

Well he had time to grab it if he needed it at the batpod. Remember he is riding around the city looking for Joker so he is probably thinking hm.... if he is in a building I might need this. He could have easily kept the gun on the bat pod and just grab it later.

It was always attached to his belt, much like the grappling gun.

 

[Bat101]

But what happened in the film? Novels or adaptations of films tend to change things. I don't remember Batman being able to do anything, he was too busy...Burning.

Regarding BB, watch that scene over and over. IF Batman did not activate half of his cape, his fall would NOT have been so slow. I mean, look at the rate of speed he was decending. It was slow, not a regular jump out the window velocity. Sure, Batman was hallucinating and covered in fire, but he opened half of his cape. He couldn't activate the whole thing because it was covered in fire.

 

[CaptainClown]

so.

Look on youtube for "Skyhook". There are examples, real life, examples of soldiers being retrieved from the ground in a standing position with the skyhook procedure. And their shoulders are NOT ripped off.

:facepalm.... Ok get this....The skyhook according to TDK works with a plan pulling someone...from a ground standing position....Rachel and Batman were falling at about 20mph... Combining the weight of Rachel and Batman with his suit and gadgets blah blah could put them at an estimated 400 lbs. So you have that factor with a pull from an imaginary plane to use the skyhook. It just doesn't work. It is like jumping off a building with a cable attached to a plane flying in the opposite direction. It would rip you apart.

It was always attached to his belt. End of story.

And you know this how?

 

[JaD]

Wait, what are you guys talking about?

*adjusts glasses & continues reading*

 

[Bat101]

:facepalm.... Ok get this....The skyhook according to TDK works with a plan pulling someone...from a ground standing position....Rachel and Batman were falling at about 20mph... Combining the weight of Rachel and Batman with his suit and gadgets blah blah could put them at an estimated 400 lbs. So you have that factor with a pull from an imaginary plane to use the skyhook. It just doesn't work. It is like jumping off a building with a cable attached to a plane flying in the opposite direction. It would rip you apart.

What?!?!?!? I'm confused.

What I mean about Batman firing the grappling gun when he was saving Rachel, was to SLOW down his descent. Not to automatically BREAK the fall. Of course that is deadly. I mean, shouldn't the grappling gun enable them to slowly fall down? In real life, there is a "Rope accelerator/deccelerator". It can slow down your rate of speed when descending down a rope. The same logic could be applied to that scene in TDK.

The "Rope accelerator/deccelerator" was featured on the History Channel's Bat-Tech.

 

[CaptainClown]

What?!?!?!? I'm confused.

What I mean about Batman firing the grappling gun when he was saving Rachel, was to SLOW down his descent. Not to automatically BREAK the fall. Of course that is deadly. I mean, shouldn't the grappling gun enable them to slowly fall down? In real life, there is a "Rope accelerator/deccelerator". It can slow down your rate of speed when descending down a rope. The same logic could be applied to that scene in TDK.

The "Rope accelerator/deccelerator" was featured on the History Channel's Bat-Tech.

You were talking about the sky hook. Now if we are talking about the grappling hook it would rip his arm out because its the same principle. The velocity of his fall would rip his arm out of his socket.

 

[Bat101]

Now if we are talking about the grappling hook it would rip his arm out because its the same principle. The velocity of his fall would rip his arm out of his socket.

He could attach the grappling gun to his belt.

 

[CaptainClown]

That would require him to aim it...shoot, rip his arm out of his socket, then attach to his belt.....

He would be shooting from his belt then?

 

[Bat101]

That would require him to aim it...shoot, rip his arm out of his socket, then attach to his belt.....

He would be shooting from his belt then?

Why does everybody have to disagree with me? I'm just trying to clarify certain scenes in the movie.

I thought BB and TDK were grounded in reality?

 

[JaD]

It's Ok guys I called Bill Nye, he should be here any minute *looks at watch*

 

[CaptainClown]

Why does everybody have to disagree with me? I'm just trying to clarify certain scenes in the movie.

I thought BB and TDK were grounded in reality?

BB had a lot of elements exaggerated...Such as a microwave emitter which should in theory kill a person and warp steel. Everyone who boils water in Gotham should have been freaking out and all who take hot showers are in for a horrible night.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Both films had a lot of things exaggerated. They are still FANTASY films, how is that so hard to comprihend? TDK is a fantasy film set in a realistic world, simple as. If everything was as real as real could be then it would be very very boring.

 

[Anita18]

so.

Look on youtube for "Skyhook". There are examples, real life, examples of soldiers being retrieved from the ground in a standing position with the skyhook procedure. And their shoulders are NOT ripped off.

I thought we were talking about using the grappling hook to break a fall, in which case your body is going one way, and the rope would be pulling you in another. That essentially doubles the force that is acting on your body.

Actually, my point was that in HK, Batman was only using his arms to hold the cape when he deployed, which likely would have resulted in some injury, because your shoulder is not that strong. The suit does add support, but that's still A LOT of force acting on the connective tissue. I'll bet you that in the real-life examples of skyhook, they had harnesses attached to their torsos instead of hanging on with their arms.

I thought BB and TDK were grounded in reality?

They are based on things that could theoretically happen in real-life. Batman does not fly - they say that he glides. Whether you could actually do it in real-life is another thing, but he isn't breaking any scientific laws outright.

Mythbusters tested a grappling gun with a hook, and they couldn't get it to hold an adult male's body weight when they finally managed to get the hook stuck in concrete. And the motor that they got to lift up an adult male's weight on a rope was the size of a circular saw. But the idea is still feasible even if the actual application is not.

 

[Lemenbolle]

This has been asked before, but is a plot hole, I think.
How come Gordon planned to die when the Joker tries to shoot the mayor? I mean, did they think there was going to be a shooting and then they just, OK, I'm dying tonight? Or was it like, if there is a chance I could seem killed, make it seem so...

 

[[A]]

You can always buy a bullet-proof vest in your friendly AMMO shop

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yo Aeghast you avvy making skills continue to amaze me!

 

[[A]]

Yo Aeghast you avvy making skills continue to amaze me!

 

[Mr. Earle]

You were talking about the sky hook. Now if we are talking about the grappling hook it would rip his arm out because its the same principle. The velocity of his fall would rip his arm out of his socket.

Hehehehe! Didnt you guys see how Bruce saved Ra's from falling from the cliff in Begins?

Friendly reminder: This is a fantasy film based on its own pseudo-realism. If real life realism were to be applied, nothing in these two films would have been possible.

 

[I.Bulk]

...think that Bruce will never give up Batman? Am I missing something? I don't recall anywhere in the film that shows Bruce obsessed to continue his endeavor. Actually I saw that opposite. Any ideas?