Comics The elephant in the room.

[TheWrathOfGod]

It's been two whole years since Spider-Man's continuing adventures essentially and effectively ceased with "One More Day."
Since that time The character of Peter Parker the Amazing Spider-Man essenitally remains in a perpetually arrested state, or or more accurately a regressed static state.
Mary Jane found herself placed in Gail Simone's infamous refrigirator.
Spider-Man made a deal with the devil while Nick Fury and Logan aren't allowed to smoke.
This was two years ago, but the wounds of this incident still weep fresh.
I am still very much enraged at the fiascos of OMD and the continuing BND, my rage builds upon itself like a sword being forged by a blacksmith.
Who is to blame for Spider-Man's defeat at the hands of cosmic evil?
Not Joe Quesada, Joe Quesada a merely a conduit for the masses- he merely gives the people what they want.
I blame you, all of you. I have started to hate all geeks and fanboys.
Why do I forsake the social sub-group from which I hail? It was your immediate embrace of reboots, re-makes, re-imaginings, and prequels
It was you who Killed James Bond, burried Jason, put Freddy to bed, and sent Michael Myers home. You all cheer at Comic-Con with every proclaimation of forthcoming blasphemey upon our culture.
You turned Sci-Fi to SyFy, and made G4 a sad clone of MTV. You wanted to be so cool with your Xbox Parties and your Red-bull that you destroyed geekdom. I am no longer a geek- I have become a reaction to your cultural artistic defamation.
Spider-Man is dead you killed him.

You'll say I'm crazy, but I am not the one who plays viral marketing games for the reward of Button pins and fake newspapers.
I may have no life, but your life is merely someone elses marketing ploy- you are simply extras.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Remember kids, don't drink and post.

 

[mre]

It's been 2 years already???

 

[mre]

I completely disagree with your post TheWrathOfGod. The problem is with marketing. The root of the problem is the people making money out of all this. They are ripping us off, and there is no way we can tell until after we have already paid our money's worth. But by that time they have already distracted us with another way of ripping us off.
How can you blame the fans. They are the victims here.

 

[imdaly]

I miss the old days of The Hype! when "ORGANICS SUCK!" was the most annoying argument to be found...





Edit: Which actually, now that I mention it...I wonder what Mr Parker and Bakerboy think of OMD and the loss of the organic webbing after that?

 

[SuperFerret]

I think that somewhere, deep inside that, there's a valid argument. It's a vicious cycle, really. Many fans will buy whatever they publish, so they'll continue to publish what sells, and that will be purchased by said fans.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

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[Themanofbat]

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That's pretty much what I heard as well...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

TheWrathOfGod; all in good fun!

 

[brianbuck]

I agree with about half of what WrathofGod had to say. He has Marvel almost pegged. But he's blaming the fans rather than the true villain here: Quesada.
If Quesada were interested in what the fans wanted, he never would've gone ahead with Brand New Day after the internet uproar over ending the marriage. He would've listened to the fans who suggested that placing Mephisto in a Spider Man story is moronic and out of place.
Quesada has never made a secret of his disdain for the Parker marriage, and he took advantage of the opportunity to dump it the first chance he had, fans be damned. Instead of giving us the natural development of the character Stan Lee created, who had grown into a confident hero and dedicated husband, Quesada turned him into a juvenile college frat boy who's read one too many issues of Maxim.
Maxim readers, it turns out, are Quesada's target audience. Never mind the fans who've spent the past 20+ years reading the stories, both good and bad, and taking the characters to heart.
Peter Parker growing into the final stages of manhood, settling down with a wife, raising children and all the while fighting crime as Spider Man? We can't have that! I know, we'll have Peter cut a deal with a demon and use magic to change everything back into a bastardized version of Spider Man in the Silver Age! And the sad part is, the fanboys bought into this colossal failure of imagination.
I didn't. I severed ties with Marvel completely after Sins Past, and the Obama fist bump was the final straw. I made an exception for #600 because Ock was in it. But my one taste of the new Peter Parker/Spider Man status quo showed me a character I never knew, that I don't like, and don't want to read about. All because of Joe Quesada's monstrous ego.
Marvel needs a new Editor-in-Chief, now.

 

[JerseyJoker]

I have absolutely no idea what he said in his post.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It's been two whole years since Spider-Man's continuing adventures essentially and effectively ceased with "One More Day."
Since that time The character of Peter Parker the Amazing Spider-Man essenitally remains in a perpetually arrested state, or or more accurately a regressed static state.
Mary Jane found herself placed in Gail Simone's infamous refrigirator.
Spider-Man made a deal with the devil while Nick Fury and Logan aren't allowed to smoke.
This was two years ago, but the wounds of this incident still weep fresh.
I am still very much enraged at the fiascos of OMD and the continuing BND, my rage builds upon itself like a sword being forged by a blacksmith.
Who is to blame for Spider-Man's defeat at the hands of cosmic evil?
Not Joe Quesada, Joe Quesada a merely a conduit for the masses- he merely gives the people what they want.
I blame you, all of you. I have started to hate all geeks and fanboys.
Why do I forsake the social sub-group from which I hail? It was your immediate embrace of reboots, re-makes, re-imaginings, and prequels
It was you who Killed James Bond, burried Jason, put Freddy to bed, and sent Michael Myers home. You all cheer at Comic-Con with every proclaimation of forthcoming blasphemey upon our culture.
You turned Sci-Fi to SyFy, and made G4 a sad clone of MTV. You wanted to be so cool with your Xbox Parties and your Red-bull that you destroyed geekdom. I am no longer a geek- I have become a reaction to your cultural artistic defamation.
Spider-Man is dead you killed him.

You'll say I'm crazy, but I am not the one who plays viral marketing games for the reward of Button pins and fake newspapers.
I may have no life, but your life is merely someone elses marketing ploy- you are simply extras.

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[Themanofbat]

I agree with about half of what WrathofGod had to say. He has Marvel almost pegged. But he's blaming the fans rather than the true villain here: Quesada.
If Quesada were interested in what the fans wanted, he never would've gone ahead with Brand New Day after the internet uproar over ending the marriage. He would've listened to the fans who suggested that placing Mephisto in a Spider Man story is moronic and out of place.
Quesada has never made a secret of his disdain for the Parker marriage, and he took advantage of the opportunity to dump it the first chance he had, fans be damned. Instead of giving us the natural development of the character Stan Lee created, who had grown into a confident hero and dedicated husband, Quesada turned him into a juvenile college frat boy who's read one too many issues of Maxim.
Maxim readers, it turns out, are Quesada's target audience. Never mind the fans who've spent the past 20+ years reading the stories, both good and bad, and taking the characters to heart.
Peter Parker growing into the final stages of manhood, settling down with a wife, raising children and all the while fighting crime as Spider Man? We can't have that! I know, we'll have Peter cut a deal with a demon and use magic to change everything back into a bastardized version of Spider Man in the Silver Age! And the sad part is, the fanboys bought into this colossal failure of imagination.
I didn't. I severed ties with Marvel completely after Sins Past, and the Obama fist bump was the final straw. I made an exception for #600 because Ock was in it. But my one taste of the new Peter Parker/Spider Man status quo showed me a character I never knew, that I don't like, and don't want to read about. All because of Joe Quesada's monstrous ego.
Marvel needs a new Editor-in-Chief, now.

I really have to enjoy a hearty chuckle at you people that think that JQuesada has sooooooooooooooooo much power that he can make such a DRASTIC change to Marvel Comics inc.'s flagship character without maybe getting the consent of said Marvel Comics Inc.?

And what about the fans that ARE enjoying the book now... much moreso than any of the garbage that was Spider-Man during the last 20 years?

Just because YOU hate it doesn't mean that the rest of the world hates it.. I know it's a divided subject, but I give you props for properly severing your ties with MARVEL, because if you don't like what's happened, blame MARVEL... not JQ.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

People who support the status quo of the media actually are pawns.
I am past pitying you- you don't deserve that.

Take G4tv, only has two shows dedicated to it's original viwerbase.
Attack of the Show is essentially a mockery of it's loyal viewerbase, the two perfect hosts, these people are the sort who derided us in school.
Now you deride and defame one another- if only to appear more apart of what it considered inn.


Or when the Sci-Fi channel started airing wresteling. WRESTELING is the polar opposite of SCI -FI!

There are not one but TWO Transformers simply to showcase Megan Fox leaning over. The same winning formula has now been applied to jonah Hex.

Reading comics is not cool, it never was cool, and those who compliment the attendees of conventions from their Q and A pannels are simply selling a product.

Someone said to me that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on a true story- I answered them, '' Yes there was a Texas Chainsaw Massacre back in 1973, honestly." People on the whole are morons.


Read my words, think about it, it's never too late to reclaim your unique ideas and interests.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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That's pretty much what I heard as well...

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[imdaly]

People who support the status quo of the media actually are pawns.
I am past pitying you- you don't deserve that.

Take G4tv, only has two shows dedicated to it's original viwerbase.
Attack of the Show is essentially a mockery of it's loyal viewerbase, the two perfect hosts, these people are the sort who derided us in school.
Now you deride and defame one another- if only to appear more apart of what it considered inn.


Or when the Sci-Fi channel started airing wresteling. WRESTELING is the polar opposite of SCI -FI!

There are not one but TWO Transformers simply to showcase Megan Fox leaning over. The same winning formula has now been applied to jonah Hex.

Reading comics is not cool, it never was cool, and those who compliment the attendees of conventions from their Q and A pannels are simply selling a product.

Someone said to me that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on a true story- I answered them, '' Yes there was a Texas Chainsaw Massacre back in 1973, honestly." People on the whole are morons.


Read my words, think about it, it's never too late to reclaim your unique ideas and interests.

You clearly have a lot more going on right now than just "Joey Q destroying Spider-Man".

I'll tell you something that's cool: fresh air. You should try some. You're like the emo nerd, which is a very dangerous combo. You're hating the world because things that were never really popular with the mainstream are now becoming popular. I understand your concern about the TV stations that are supposed to cater to one subject and go off to something completely different, but hey, if that's their choice that's their choice.

By the way, I wouldn't say that WWE is the polar opposite of Science-fiction.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I miss the old days of The Hype! when "ORGANICS SUCK!" was the most annoying argument to be found...





Edit: Which actually, now that I mention it...I wonder what Mr Parker and Bakerboy think of OMD and the loss of the organic webbing after that?

Aloha,
AMEN brother!
Spidey rules

 

[DACrowe]

Well to OP....that's nice.

I myself do not like BND in concept and execution and have only bought ASM #600 since BND. From what I can tlel it takes great advantage of returning a supporting cast to the series, but we didn't need to retconn 20 years of stories to do that.


BUT. I don't buy them. And after two years I just don't have the energy or anger to be furious over it. There is so much more to do in this life. Eventually it will turn around and if not, then the series has lost a fan. I don't understand how one who is a fan of comics can stay so angry. Have we not seen Aunt May's death, MJ's death, Norman's death, etc. retconned over the years? It is nothing new and doesn't date back to Batman Begins.

Fans do unfortunately buy out of habit things they don't like which is why Spidey survived the clone saga, The Other, Civil War and OMD. For better or worse that is the market. Hollywood has moved onto it by marketing movies to them, but it is nothing new and nothing to get so high and mighty about.

 

[DACrowe]

Well to OP....that's nice.

I myself do not like BND in concept and execution and have only bought ASM #600 since BND. From what I can tlel it takes great advantage of returning a supporting cast to the series, but we didn't need to retconn 20 years of stories to do that.


BUT. I don't buy them. And after two years I just don't have the energy or anger to be furious over it. There is so much more to do in this life. Eventually it will turn around and if not, then the series has lost a fan. I don't understand how one who is a fan of comics can stay so angry. Have we not seen Aunt May's death, MJ's death, Norman's death, etc. retconned over the years? It is nothing new and doesn't date back to Batman Begins.

Fans do unfortunately buy out of habit things they don't like which is why Spidey survived the clone saga, The Other, Civil War and OMD. For better or worse that is the market. Hollywood has moved onto it by marketing movies to them, but it is nothing new and nothing to get so high and mighty about.

 

[mre]

That is a really good point that imdaly made about hating the world because things that were never really popular with the mainstream are now becoming popular. I think when you break it all down, that is the issue here.

To TheWrathOfGod: I still am in disagreement with you about the fans ruining everything. That is simply not true. It is backwards. And you are not thinking about the people who really are in charge. The investors, the board, and the CEO's. These are the people who make the decisions.
The fans are the ones getting ripped off, and the people who fall for all the tricks (the perfect example is one you brought up, Megan Fox in Transformers) are the ones that perhaps wouldn't normally be buying into whatever is being sold.

I always wanted to see a Spider-Man movie, ever since I was a kid. So is it my fault that Spider-Man 3 was crappy? I like Spider-Man. The people selling the movie know that I am going to see the movie. But the trouble is, is they want to make even more money. Think of it this way; how many people buy Spider-Man comics? Now how many people see movies? What if Sony was only able to get the people who read Spider-Man comics to see the movie. The movie would make no money, and we wouldn't of had two sequels. How do you sell a Spider-Man movie to people who don't read Spider-Man?

The fans are not the pawns. The pawns are the pawns.

 

[Venom 1988]

What the hell does Movie reboots and marketing greed have to do with OMD/BND?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

People who support the status quo of the media actually are pawns.
I am past pitying you- you don't deserve that.

Take G4tv, only has two shows dedicated to it's original viwerbase.
Attack of the Show is essentially a mockery of it's loyal viewerbase, the two perfect hosts, these people are the sort who derided us in school.
Now you deride and defame one another- if only to appear more apart of what it considered inn.


Or when the Sci-Fi channel started airing wresteling. WRESTELING is the polar opposite of SCI -FI!

There are not one but TWO Transformers simply to showcase Megan Fox leaning over. The same winning formula has now been applied to jonah Hex.

Reading comics is not cool, it never was cool, and those who compliment the attendees of conventions from their Q and A pannels are simply selling a product.

Someone said to me that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on a true story- I answered them, '' Yes there was a Texas Chainsaw Massacre back in 1973, honestly." People on the whole are morons.


Read my words, think about it, it's never too late to reclaim your unique ideas and interests.

Can I still pity you, though? As Mr T would say "I pity tha foo'!"

And this whole thread is only tentatively related to Spider-Man in the loosest way possible. It's like "You know what I hate? Spider-Man. And this. And this. And this. And this. And let's talk about this." Actually, this is really the bitter rant of some aging fanboy going "Waaaah... G4, Sci-Fi channel and Spider-Man are different! Kids these days are TOO cool!! Waaaaaah!"

I bet you wish Peter Parker still had glasses, a bow-tie and an umbrella too!

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

BND, and the cessation and remaking of all established media- are the same thing.
BND is simply the most devastating example of it.
Spider-Man was a concept predicated on episodic progress.
To halt it and drag it back to the time frame of ASM #220ish- is not just counter productive.

You all know that after fifty issues of Xmen they simply reprinted previous issues until like #97.
Thats essentially my problem with Spider-Man.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It's been two whole years since Spider-Man's continuing adventures essentially and effectively ceased with "One More Day."
Since that time The character of Peter Parker the Amazing Spider-Man essenitally remains in a perpetually arrested state, or or more accurately a regressed static state.
Mary Jane found herself placed in Gail Simone's infamous refrigirator.
Spider-Man made a deal with the devil while Nick Fury and Logan aren't allowed to smoke.
This was two years ago, but the wounds of this incident still weep fresh.
I am still very much enraged at the fiascos of OMD and the continuing BND, my rage builds upon itself like a sword being forged by a blacksmith.
Who is to blame for Spider-Man's defeat at the hands of cosmic evil?
Not Joe Quesada, Joe Quesada a merely a conduit for the masses- he merely gives the people what they want.
I blame you, all of you. I have started to hate all geeks and fanboys.
Why do I forsake the social sub-group from which I hail? It was your immediate embrace of reboots, re-makes, re-imaginings, and prequels
It was you who Killed James Bond, burried Jason, put Freddy to bed, and sent Michael Myers home. You all cheer at Comic-Con with every proclaimation of forthcoming blasphemey upon our culture.
You turned Sci-Fi to SyFy, and made G4 a sad clone of MTV. You wanted to be so cool with your Xbox Parties and your Red-bull that you destroyed geekdom. I am no longer a geek- I have become a reaction to your cultural artistic defamation.
Spider-Man is dead you killed him.

You'll say I'm crazy, but I am not the one who plays viral marketing games for the reward of Button pins and fake newspapers.
I may have no life, but your life is merely someone elses marketing ploy- you are simply extras.

LOOK! UP IN THE SKY! IT'S SUPER EMO BOY!!!!

You know. You don't have to read Spider-Man. You don't have to watch Sci-Fi, whoops, SyFy. You don't have to watch G4. You don't have to go to X-Box parties, or drink Red Bull. It's called freedom of choice. And who cares if someone else likes it and you don't? If you truly care THAT MUCH about what other people like then I am going to repeat what imdaly said...go outside...get some fresh air. It's still summer, I'm sure it's nice outside. Go for a walk.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

WraithOfGod Circa 1963: "They are trying to change comic-books and make the characters like REAL PEOPLE!! What's wrong with perfect, all-American characters like Superman who have no flaws? Why do we need this cha-cha-ing Peter Palmer and his irradiated spider anyway? And that mask covers his whole face! He is TOO SCARY for kids! And while I'm on the topic, what is it with these PINBALL MACHINES and HULA-HOOPS these days?!! And that ELVIS PRESLEY!! The gall! Just yesterday, I saw one of my neighbors with his hair all greasy like that pimpy-eyed Elvis! I blame the youth culture! I do! And Castro!"


Just for lulz.