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Comics Order of the Arachknights

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Care to explain anymore than that?

Sure.

I'm torn between being admiring your stubborn tenacity and being shocked by it.

I would love to see Spider-Man back to greatness, but to let MayDay fade away with the sunset to prove a point just seems asanine to me.

Still, it's your money and your opinion. Your not giving me one, and I'm not going to change the other.
 
Aloha,
Here's why, comic book knowledge does not mean that you know ANYTHING about the comic book business.

Feb,2009
Marvel Entertainment Inc.'s fourth-quarter net income more than doubled on soaring revenue from its film-making unit and strength in its publishing business.

The comic-book maker wrapped up its first year of producing its own films, taking all the profits instead of just licensing fees.


For the year's final quarter, the company posted net income of $63 million, or 80 cents a share, up from $27.6 million, or 35 cents a share, a year earlier. Net sales more than doubled to $224.3 million, driven by the recognition of $135.5 million at the film-production segment from the DVD release of "Iron Man," the company's first in-house movie.


The publishing unit posted a 5.7% increase in earnings as revenue gained 9.2% amid an extra week of sales and several high-profile titles being released.

So even though we all have the right to think what we want of JoeQ, that man is responsible for Marvel publishing(comic books) to go up in profit. Who do you think at Marvel or any other business person takes whining fan boys serious any more? Move on. Your opinion is so out of touch with the reality of Comic Book publishing, I'm embarrassed for you and others like you.
This just goes to show that being a comic book fan IN NO WAY means that you could be a successful comic book retailer or publisher.

Spidey rules with people who know how to keep the comic book industry alive and profitable
 
Aloha,
Here's why, comic book knowledge does not mean that you know ANYTHING about the comic book business.

Feb,2009
Marvel Entertainment Inc.'s fourth-quarter net income more than doubled on soaring revenue from its film-making unit and strength in its publishing business.

The comic-book maker wrapped up its first year of producing its own films, taking all the profits instead of just licensing fees.


For the year's final quarter, the company posted net income of $63 million, or 80 cents a share, up from $27.6 million, or 35 cents a share, a year earlier. Net sales more than doubled to $224.3 million, driven by the recognition of $135.5 million at the film-production segment from the DVD release of "Iron Man," the company's first in-house movie.


The publishing unit posted a 5.7% increase in earnings as revenue gained 9.2% amid an extra week of sales and several high-profile titles being released.

So even though we all have the right to think what we want of JoeQ, that man is responsible for Marvel publishing(comic books) to go up in profit. Who do you think at Marvel or any other business person takes whining fan boys serious any more? Move on. Your opinion is so out of touch with the reality of Comic Book publishing, I'm embarrassed for you and others like you.
This just goes to show that being a comic book fan IN NO WAY means that you could be a successful comic book retailer or publisher.

Spidey rules with people who know how to keep the comic book industry alive and profitable

Hmmm a few quick points. One you and TMOB are pretty much the two with the most comic knowledge of Peter Parker are you saying that both of you know nothing about the comic buisness cause it seems like you're about to cause one of those universe destroying logic paradoxes by trying to explain why people with comic knowledge (like yourself) don't know about the buisness.

The day a fan's opinion is completely worthless and worthy of ridicule is the day all comics officially suck. Do your opinions not count? You seem angry, want to talk about it?

Lots of crap are extremely popular, Rulk is way up in sales, do you love Rulk? Isn't it awesome? It sells well so clearly by your interesting mental jump up there it must be good. In fact better than ASM right now. Cause that's what's selling and clearly fans don't know what their talking about, gimick money that's where the industry should be headed, and **** the fans right? Worked like gangbusters in the 90s, can't wait for a repeat of those awesome times.

Know what embarrasses me? People that get so worked up on one side or the other and think they have a lock on "what's right". Anyone that really thinks that, and can disregard everyone that doesn't agree with them without thought, that's a sad and embarrassing myopic view point. Really maybe you should stop reading ASM and start picking up Rulk, I think you'll find much more like minded "**** the fans let's go for profit" types over there and that should make you feel welcome and fuzzy inside.
 
Hmmm a few quick points. One you and TMOB are pretty much the two with the most comic knowledge of Peter Parker are you saying that both of you know nothing about the comic buisness cause it seems like you're about to cause one of those universe destroying logic paradoxes by trying to explain why people with comic knowledge (like yourself) don't know about the buisness.

The day a fan's opinion is completely worthless and worthy of ridicule is the day all comics officially suck. Do your opinions not count? You seem angry, want to talk about it?

Lots of crap are extremely popular, Rulk is way up in sales, do you love Rulk? Isn't it awesome? It sells well so clearly by your interesting mental jump up there it must be good. In fact better than ASM right now. Cause that's what's selling and clearly fans don't know what their talking about, gimick money that's where the industry should be headed, and **** the fans right? Worked like gangbusters in the 90s, can't wait for a repeat of those awesome times.

Know what embarrasses me? People that get so worked up on one side or the other and think they have a lock on "what's right". Anyone that really thinks that, and can disregard everyone that doesn't agree with them without thought, that's a sad and embarrassing myopic view point. Really maybe you should stop reading ASM and start picking up Rulk, I think you'll find much more like minded "**** the fans let's go for profit" types over there and that should make you feel welcome and fuzzy inside.

Aloha,
I was waiting for a response:word:.No,gimmicks don't make for a successful comic book business, consistent growth in your business makes for a successful comic book business.That a fan can name the villains in the first 100 Amazing Spider-Man's has NO BEARING on whether that fan could run a comic book business or publishing company.The very same Special events that some fan boys complain about, those are the things that have kept Marvel Publishing at the top of the heap for the past 3-4 years.We all have the right to complain about lack of continuity and poor writing and I will always be one who complains about those things, but, the fact that Marvel publishing has made a consistent profit over the years shows that the opinions of some fan boys does not out weigh the likes or spending power of the majority who are reading Marvel comics.That's what gets me mad. The idea that some fan boys think that their opinion supersedes Business reality. My quote is from the Wall Street Journal and Marvel stock report(far more accurate than Diamond Distributors-subscriptions make more money for Marvel than third party distributors btw but not a part of their figures.Fan opinions are never worthless, but they must reflect business reality. Just because you don't like a particular comic does not negate how it's doing.Anybody can knock Joe Q, but could you do a better job? If Joe Q, Tom Breevort, Steve Wacker or anyone else at Marvel was not producing-THEY WOULD BE CANNED!As much as we both may not like it, fan boys NO LONGER represent the majority of comic book buyers.
Spidey rules
 
All I want to add is that there is no limit on what can be deemed "good" and/or "bad"... it's a subjective opinion...

In my world, a "good" comic like Rex Mundi should be selling more than the 6000 copies it sells when it gets out, but that's only because "I" happen to think it's one of the better comics out there that nobody is reading... we all have books like that on our reading lists... Nova, Herc, Jonah Hex, Blue Beetle & ASM... these are all goof books in my humble opinion, and I wish they all sold in higher volumes, because at the end of the day, higher sales means comic book continuation...

But at the other end of that list, looking at the high selling books, like New Avengers, Rulk & Batman, I currently read 2 of the 3 (yes, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it) and while "these" books are not "as good" as the aforementioned comics I mentioned, I do get some entertainment value from them... and isn't that the bottom line? Really?

And I do wish that Rulk & NA would be "better"... and perhaps someday they will... creative teams come and go... it's the natural cycle of comic book characters... I can got through nearly 600 issues of ASM and pick out the "good" eras and the "bad" ones... and I bet they'll mostly coincide with creative team changes...

I'm babbling...

:csad:
 
I hearby join the Order of the Arachknights.

JOEY Q WE'RE COMING FOR YOU!!!
 
Aloha,
I was waiting for a response:word:.No,gimmicks don't make for a successful comic book business, consistent growth in your business makes for a successful comic book business.That a fan can name the villains in the first 100 Amazing Spider-Man's has NO BEARING on whether that fan could run a comic book business or publishing company.The very same Special events that some fan boys complain about, those are the things that have kept Marvel Publishing at the top of the heap for the past 3-4 years.We all have the right to complain about lack of continuity and poor writing and I will always be one who complains about those things, but, the fact that Marvel publishing has made a consistent profit over the years shows that the opinions of some fan boys does not out weigh the likes or spending power of the majority who are reading Marvel comics.That's what gets me mad. The idea that some fan boys think that their opinion supersedes Business reality. My quote is from the Wall Street Journal and Marvel stock report(far more accurate than Diamond Distributors-subscriptions make more money for Marvel than third party distributors btw but not a part of their figures.Fan opinions are never worthless, but they must reflect business reality. Just because you don't like a particular comic does not negate how it's doing.Anybody can knock Joe Q, but could you do a better job? If Joe Q, Tom Breevort, Steve Wacker or anyone else at Marvel was not producing-THEY WOULD BE CANNED!As much as we both may not like it, fan boys NO LONGER represent the majority of comic book buyers.
Spidey rules


Actually gimmicks can be quite profitable. See Obama comics or Michael Bay movies for examples on this.

I would disagree. That a fan is knowledgeable doesn't mean they would be good at running a buisness but it doesn't mean they would be bad either. In fact industry knowledge would be a boon instead of having no knowledge on the subject. You don't put a technophobe in charge of IBM right?

You're right fan opinion and buisness reality are two different things, though I wonder what happens when you alienate your core for trendy buyers. Eventually trends change and without that base... I'm just thinking long term vs. short, the way joey Q used to think.

Hmmm could I do a better job than Joey Q? Yep. Yes I could.

Fans may not be the majority but we are the rock the start of the trends. We are the people that clamor for the Watchmen to be made into a movie enough that it gets done. We're the ones that tell their friends to go pick up Spider-Girl or Invincible. We're the ones that have enough free time on our hands to ***** incessently on the internets about this **** (which actually get's read suprisingly frequently by the creators). We're also going to be the only ones around if the popularity of comics takes a dive. We might not be the body of the buisness anymore but we are the heart.


TMOB:
Now we can all go back and forth and say quality has no viable value but that's just smoke and mirrors so we can make dog **** shiney. How can I say such a thing, where do I get the nerve/right to say such things? Because it's true. Go pick up some NA issues by bendis. Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue. Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue? Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue! Notice the lack of stuff happening or character advancement. Notice the lack of research or concern for the characters he's writing about. Now go pick up All Star Superman. Notice the difference? That difference is called quality and while I can't nail it down difinitively with exact terms and conditions I know it when I see it and I notice when it's missing.
 
Actually gimmicks can be quite profitable. See Obama comics or Michael Bay movies for examples on this.

I would disagree. That a fan is knowledgeable doesn't mean they would be good at running a buisness but it doesn't mean they would be bad either. In fact industry knowledge would be a boon instead of having no knowledge on the subject. You don't put a technophobe in charge of IBM right?

You're right fan opinion and buisness reality are two different things, though I wonder what happens when you alienate your core for trendy buyers. Eventually trends change and without that base... I'm just thinking long term vs. short, the way joey Q used to think.

Hmmm could I do a better job than Joey Q? Yep. Yes I could.

Fans may not be the majority but we are the rock the start of the trends. We are the people that clamor for the Watchmen to be made into a movie enough that it gets done. We're the ones that tell their friends to go pick up Spider-Girl or Invincible. We're the ones that have enough free time on our hands to ***** incessently on the internets about this **** (which actually get's read suprisingly frequently by the creators). We're also going to be the only ones around if the popularity of comics takes a dive. We might not be the body of the buisness anymore but we are the heart.


TMOB:
Now we can all go back and forth and say quality has no viable value but that's just smoke and mirrors so we can make dog **** shiney. How can I say such a thing, where do I get the nerve/right to say such things? Because it's true. Go pick up some NA issues by bendis. Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue. Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue? Notice the constant repeating of the same statements only with different puncuation pretending to be dialogue! Notice the lack of stuff happening or character advancement. Notice the lack of research or concern for the characters he's writing about. Now go pick up All Star Superman. Notice the difference? That difference is called quality and while I can't nail it down difinitively with exact terms and conditions I know it when I see it and I notice when it's missing.

Great post.

The thing that gets me is the quality debate. So true.

People go out and buy "Hulk" by the boat loads. Why? The artwork is good, but the concept and the story are severely lacking! Now, imagine that same artwork with Peter David back on the Hulk or Mark Millar or Grant Morrison or Dan Slott? Can you imagine how good it would be? I CAN!

How about a Spider-Man book written by Dan Slott, and drawn by Todd McFarlane, John Romita (sr or jr), Erik Larsen, or J. Scott Campbell featuring Pre-BND, unmasking, Civil War crap? I would buy one copy to read, and another to which I would make the sweetest love. That's right. I said it. It could be freakin' weekly or quarterly, I wouldn't care. Look at Ultimates 1 and 2! Quality....you had to wait for it, but it was BREATHTAKING!!! Same with the aforementioned All Star Superman.

That's the thing...

...quality NEVER goes out of style.
 
Aloha,
I couldn't agree with you more-Quality never goes out of style. That's why at the beginning of this thread, I suggested to the person that he promote those issues of Spidey that he felt reflected the quality that he feels is now lacking.
Here's my point-Very few movie critics have ever starred or produced a block buster movie, very few book critics have ever written a best seller.Some Fan boys are like book critics-they have a legitimate knowledge of literature that qualifies them to be a critic-but that does not mean that they have ever been able to write a book that is popular and sells.Plus, regardless of how much knowledge the critic may have, the people are the final authorities on what they like, dislike and consider to be quality.The author of this thread thinks that Joe Q is horrible-yet-Marvel Publishing under Joe Q's guidance has reported a consistent increase in readership and profit-Fan boys- hard core fan base or not!
Spidey rules
 
Aloha,
I couldn't agree with you more-Quality never goes out of style. That's why at the beginning of this thread, I suggested to the person that he promote those issues of Spidey that he felt reflected the quality that he feels is now lacking.
Here's my point-Very few movie critics have ever starred or produced a block buster movie, very few book critics have ever written a best seller.Some Fan boys are like book critics-they have a legitimate knowledge of literature that qualifies them to be a critic-but that does not mean that they have ever been able to write a book that is popular and sells.Plus, regardless of how much knowledge the critic may have, the people are the final authorities on what they like, dislike and consider to be quality.The author of this thread thinks that Joe Q is horrible-yet-Marvel Publishing under Joe Q's guidance has reported a consistent increase in readership and profit-Fan boys- hard core fan base or not!
Spidey rules

Ah, that's a good but different dodge. Critics of books and movies are a very different animal from a fan of a medium. Now a fan can be a critic and a critic could be a fan but what you have to accept is a critic is someone who's profession is to analyze the medium almost to the point of distraction. Critics cannot simply enjoy something for what it is, they have to break the medium down in a way that most people would not find the least bit enjoyable. Now you're right that critics never convert to the medium well at all, but that's not true of fans. A few recent examples of such people would be in Tarantino in movies, McCourt in literature, or Slott currently writing MA, AtI and some other book about the devil. These are all fans with a critical eye for their favorite medium but are in no way critics.

The author of this thread embarasses myself and most like minded boycotters, and we've already mentioned as much. Calling for the head of someone that's, overall; done well for the company and industry is just stupid. I would be a pretty big supporter of the man if not for that one tweak where he took a character about power and responsibility and decided that wasn't the right angle better to slap some clown shoes on pete and have him trade with the devil to force someone to live against her will, well that and letting bendis write things in the 616. But here we are.
 
I'm not trying to convince people to change their opinion about OMD. If you liked it by all means buy it and read it. I explained my views so that my stance on no new Spidey comics might make a little more sense to some. Now I do have a problem with "collectors" who don't like the current direction but buy anyways that's just stupid.
 
Sure.

I'm torn between being admiring your stubborn tenacity and being shocked by it.

I would love to see Spider-Man back to greatness, but to let MayDay fade away with the sunset to prove a point just seems asanine to me.

Still, it's your money and your opinion. Your not giving me one, and I'm not going to change the other.

Asinine–adjective 1. foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements.

Well i'm sorry it seems stupid to you but i'm trying to prove a point. I can't make them see it or others join me but that's not entirely the point if something is wrong I need to say it is.

What do you mean i'm not giving you one? You mean opinion you can have whatever opinion you like.
 
Spiderman will escape his "Life on Mars" pocket universe eventually.
I just hope that happens soon.
 
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What do you mean i'm not giving you one? You mean opinion you can have whatever opinion you like.

I meant, you're not giving me money. It was my attempt to lighten the mood in this thread of doom. It's your opinion I'm not going to change.

Although, if you're giving me money, I'll take it. I haave far less pride than I do bills to pay.
 
I have three jobs and I still seem to push my luck:csad: Oh well keep working hard till things turn around. Might take eight years though.
 
I have three jobs and I still seem to push my luck:csad: Oh well keep working hard till things turn around. Might take eight years though.

Heh...something we can all agree upon....we need more money!:woot:
 
I'm not trying to convince people to change their opinion about OMD.

I just want to point out that there are not very many out there who are saying that they like OMD. BND, on the other hand, many of us are digging. And before I get the protestations: No, I didn't like that I had to sit behind a flatulant mule on a pot-hole filled road, with crack-addicts and teenagers as my only travelling companions. But now that I'm laying on the beach and sipping a drink with an umbrella in it, I can forget about the journey.
 
Yeah, I don't think anyone liked OMD, even JMS hated it. Did anyone dig OMD for anything other than the art (which had it's moments)?
 
I've never liked JQs art, so even that didn't do it for me.
 
I suppose. And I guess I liked the scene where he webbed him up. But there's something very Todd McFarlane-ish about him.....and not in a good way.
 
Yeah, I don't think anyone liked OMD, even JMS hated it. Did anyone dig OMD for anything other than the art (which had it's moments)?

I liked the scene where Peter and MJ are being surrounded by "devil wind" (lol can't think of a better name for that), and Pete's trying to focus on what he just did, the girl, etc. and MJ is trying to keep him focused on what she's telling him.

Mephisto looked pretty sick too. Probably the first time he actually looked like the demon he's supposed to be.

That's about it though.
 
I feel about it somewhat the same way I felt when Pete got married, as dictated by the daily strip. Crap. But things improved. I don't want the marriage back, just no deals with the devil, Mr. Bond.
 

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