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You know who would be a fun Makkari?

Hasan Minhaj. Very charming, quick witted, real up and comer and marvel are probably looking for at least one comic relief character

 
White straight males are the most privileged group in the world so....:funny: They not need to be constantly represented in movies

That's like saying black people are good at sports or asians are good at math. Some are some aren't.
 
That's like saying black people are good at sports or asians are good at math. Some are some aren't.

I think you have no understanding what people mean when they use the word "privilege" in the context of these conversations. Most don't. Granted most choose to be willfully ignorant.


This isn't something invoked to suggest all Caucasians of the Western world are rich, or have access to elite influence or the like. It's about how statistically speaking as well as culturally, there is a skewing towards "White" people over others. It's connected to things like say, the differences in sentencing between those caught with powder cocaine and those caught with crack cocaine. It's about how many get called back for an interview when the resume' is identical but one has the name Chad or Ian at he top and the other has say, Leroy or Juan at the top. It's about how when a White person goes into a shopping mall they don't think twice about being able to walk around the stores inside without looking over their shoulder being shadowed by security (I'm sure the rebuttal her is "Well... There are more minority criminals" but your response above wants a "Not everyone carve out" for Whites...Well... That actually applies here. Why should EVERY Hispanic or Black person have to deal with automatic suspicion in society because of the actions of others in their group? A MINORITY, within their group, literally?). White privilege is that most parents in this age of LOW CRIME we have been living in for thirty years don't say a prayer for the safe return of their children when they go out at night to have a good time with their friends, for fear that they might be shot armed with nothing but Skittles. White privilege is not being arrested in front of your house for absolutely nothing because someone called the police on you even though you own the property and are a Harvard educated professor. White privilege is knowing that more likely in a fictional story put out by the mass media of the last 100 years that you will be presented with a main character or subject of the story being told that will reflect you and your family. The media will tell you that you are inherently worthy of consideration, in other words. White privilege is that in the media and culturally when the inner cities were ravaged by the scourge of crack cocaine and heroin thirty and forty years ago it was framed by people of a certain political persuasion as being a question of moral character. "Just say no" or "Those animals just can't control themselves" were common responses that in no way take into any consideration the complexity of how people get addicted or the way drugs work in society, BUT... In the modern era of "Heartland"/"Small Town" America being ravaged by Opioids or Meth the response of those self same people that dismissed the addiction issues of the Inner Cities (READ: Blacks and Hispanics) as moral failings NOW think that we need to emphasize compassion and understanding of the poverty and struggles in the communities of the White working class of "Real America" (Notice... That idea? That "Real America" is some majority White town away from the coasts? Yeah... That's White Privilege too...) which causes turning to self medication.


What it's not is saying that EVERY SINGLE "WHITE PERSON" is rich. It's not saying that every single white person is free from difficulty or struggle in their life. It isn't saying that your own personal pains and burdens don't matter if you are "White". And it's not saying that we shouldn't care about those things either.

It does mean that across a wide swath of society, government and culture that White individuals are beneficiaries of certain considerations they themselves can't or choose not to see.

Someone who is a fully formed adult not ruled by emotion should be able to figure this out and not jump to the conclusion that they are being told that they are personally guilty of something or that their own life's struggles and tragedies are being demeaned, but alas... Maturity as a quality is hard to find across any Ethnicity or Nationality on this little planet.
 
I think you have no understanding what people mean when they use the word "privilege" in the context of these conversations. Most don't. Granted most choose to be willfully ignorant.


This isn't something invoked to suggest all Caucasians of the Western world are rich, or have access to elite influence or the like. It's about how statistically speaking as well as culturally, there is a skewing towards "White" people over others. It's connected to things like say, the differences in sentencing between those caught with powder cocaine and those caught with crack cocaine. It's about how many get called back for an interview when the resume' is identical but one has the name Chad or Ian at he top and the other has say, Leroy or Juan at the top. It's about how when a White person goes into a shopping mall they don't think twice about being able to walk around the stores inside without looking over their shoulder being shadowed by security (I'm sure the rebuttal her is "Well... There are more minority criminals" but your response above wants a "Not everyone carve out" for Whites...Well... That actually applies here. Why should EVERY Hispanic or Black person have to deal with automatic suspicion in society because of the actions of others in their group? A MINORITY, within their group, literally?). White privilege is that most parents in this age of LOW CRIME we have been living in for thirty years don't say a prayer for the safe return of their children when they go out at night to have a good time with their friends, for fear that they might be shot armed with nothing but Skittles. White privilege is not being arrested in front of your house for absolutely nothing because someone called the police on you even though you own the property and are a Harvard educated professor. White privilege is knowing that more likely in a fictional story put out by the mass media of the last 100 years that you will be presented with a main character or subject of the story being told that will reflect you and your family. The media will tell you that you are inherently worthy of consideration, in other words. White privilege is that in the media and culturally when the inner cities were ravaged by the scourge of crack cocaine and heroin thirty and forty years ago it was framed by people of a certain political persuasion as being a question of moral character. "Just say no" or "Those animals just can't control themselves" were common responses that in no way take into any consideration the complexity of how people get addicted or the way drugs work in society, BUT... In the modern era of "Heartland"/"Small Town" America being ravaged by Opioids or Meth the response of those self same people that dismissed the addiction issues of the Inner Cities (READ: Blacks and Hispanics) as moral failings NOW think that we need to emphasize compassion and understanding of the poverty and struggles in the communities of the White working class of "Real America" (Notice... That idea? That "Real America" is some majority White town away from the coasts? Yeah... That's White Privilege too...) which causes turning to self medication.


What it's not is saying that EVERY SINGLE "WHITE PERSON" is rich. It's not saying that every single white person is free from difficulty or struggle in their life. It isn't saying that your own personal pains and burdens don't matter if you are "White". And it's not saying that we shouldn't care about those things either.

It does mean that across a wide swath of society, government and culture that White individuals are beneficiaries of certain considerations they themselves can't or choose not to see.

Someone who is a fully formed adult not ruled by emotion should be able to figure this out and not jump to the conclusion that they are being told that they are personally guilty of something or that their own life's struggles and tragedies are being demeaned, but alas... Maturity as a quality is hard to find across any Ethnicity or Nationality on this little planet.

Sorry not american. Can't comment about your country. Just as you shouldn't generalise by using the term white privallege.
 
I would like to see at least one white good looking and straight male in leading role for Phase 4 like Evans or Hemsworth..
I love Black Panther and Captain Marvel is a badass, but I Need at least one.
Ant-Man still has a third film likely to come out, Peter Quill as well. Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and I think there's a good chance Ikaris will be a straight white male too.
 
Sorry not american. Can't comment about your country. Just as you shouldn't generalise by using the term white privallege.

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You then still didn't understand anything written, non-American or not, or made the choice to misunderstand. And that is the definition of willful ignorance. I laid out what people mean when they use the term as well as what it DOESN'T mean, and yet you seem to imply as though what it DOESN'T mean is what I'm saying.

I have seen your other posts. Forgive me... This isn't a language barrier issue. You understood every thing I posted. You chose to ignore it in favor of being resentful over something that isn't being claimed even after it was explained in detail.


But this is all OT. I won't continue, but to the reading public out there on the Internet I want to be clear, it is this willful misinterpretation that happens all the time which is contributing to a lot of our problems. People would rather be outraged or resentful rather than listen to what is actually being discussed.
 
You know who would be a fun Makkari?

Hasan Minhaj. Very charming, quick witted, real up and comer and marvel are probably looking for at least one comic relief character

I don't know anything about him, but based on his physical appearance, I'd be OK with this.
 
yeah I can see him as fast runner, speed character more than kumali.
 
maybe richard madden for consideration.. since there's rumor about him being gay or bi.
 
maybe richard madden for consideration.. since there's rumor about him being gay or bi.

Whether he is or not, that doesn't mean he's suitable for Hercules. He doesn't look anything like him.
 
You know Jonathan bayleaf just won an Olivier award and he’s an out and proud gay man. He might make a good Hercules. Great actor, quite good looking, charming enough to hold his own movie if they want to spin him off


 
You know Jonathan bayleaf just won an Olivier award and he’s an out and proud gay man. He might make a good Hercules. Great actor, quite good looking, charming enough to hold his own movie if they want to spin him off


Yes please! Jonathan Bailey (bayleaf is his IG thing) was great in the Bristish tv series I watched a year or two ago.
 
I would like to see at least one white good looking and straight male in leading role for Phase 4 like Evans or Hemsworth..
I love Black Panther and Captain Marvel is a badass, but I Need at least one.

I legit laughed out loud reading this.
 
Yes please! Jonathan Bailey (bayleaf is his IG thing) was great in the Bristish tv series I watched a year or two ago.

Yeah plus total babe. If Evans and Hemsworth leave someone has to bring the hunkiness
 

So.. the gay male character is not hercules.
My guess is gay male is non white or don't have big body, so doesn't fit on hercules stereotype.

Also he said jolie is not karen and piper is not castes yet. Rumored Hercules character is still in and offered to actor.
 
I'm curious what the major change is. Obviously, that can mean lots of things. If the major change is he's an Eternal and not an Olympian, that wouldn't exclude him. If it's a female character that would obviously be a major major change.
 
Honestly... I think that a lot of the "reports" on this film have been garbled in terms of communication. This isn't like reporting about a fan favorite property or something that has had some kind of deep pop culture penetration. This is a somewhat obscure Marvel title with a convoluted history. I don't expect the folks reporting on it to have much of a handle on what they learn of it right now.
 

So.. the gay male character is not hercules.
My guess is gay male is non white or don't have big body, so doesn't fit on hercules stereotype.

Also he said jolie is not karen and piper is not castes yet. Rumored Hercules character is still in and offered to actor.

Are we assuming it's a male? What if it's a female?

I don't know any character from the Eternals who is gay though. Wouldn't anyone be a major change to them?

Using Hercules in this almost seems to be side stepping the classic Eternals line up. They might not want to use him.
 
Are we assuming it's a male? What if it's a female?

I don't know any character from the Eternals who is gay though. Wouldn't anyone be a major change to them?

Using Hercules in this almost seems to be side stepping the classic Eternals line up. They might not want to use him.
The reports were it'd be a "Male lead" as the gay character, but who knows at this point
 

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