The Evil Within: Some May Call It an Evil that is Resident

[Tron Bonne]

Mikami is just on another level. I would be excited based on what I've seen and read already, but with him behind the helm, it really dispels doubts that this will be, at the least, a very interesting and worthwhile experience.

 

[Soapy]

Every Last Bullet trailer:

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[Tron Bonne]

Soapy, so apparently there actually are attributes that you can upgrade for your character. There's an achievement related to that.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Every Last Bullet trailer:

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Whoa. Looking awesome

 

[Ramsay Snow]

The game may be locked 30fps for the PC version - they're not being very clear whether this is the case or not: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133198856&postcount=1

 

[Tron Bonne]

NeoGAF is great for news, but man, the stuff about framerate and resolution on that site has really gotten stupid. I think it's way more important that the game runs without dips than if it's locked one way or the other.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

While resolution is here or there, framerate is a real gameplay issue. It effects gameplay greatly.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Meh, I find both 30 fps and 60 fps perfectly playable. It doesn't bother me at all that this is 30 fps.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But there is no denying that 60fps is better in terms of gameplay. It simply is.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

But there is no denying that 60fps is better in terms of gameplay. It simply is.

I cant tell the damn difference, so I really don't care about that. I tried with the Last of Us and saw absolutely zero difference in the two modes.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I cant tell the damn difference, so I really don't care about that. I tried with the Last of Us and saw absolutely zero difference in the two modes.

I can't either, I suspect most people actually can't.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I can tell the difference when they're side-by-side, like how those test websites are set up. But much like resolution, I find the claims that 30 fps is like watching butter slowly melt to be hyperbolic at the least, ridiculous and nonsensical at best. And I don't even think about it when I'm playing a game on it's own.

But there is no denying that 60fps is better in terms of gameplay. It simply is.

Well, okay, if you want to say that. But so what? Like I said, I don't find 30 fps unplayable, and I would almost say I'd prefer fixed 30 fps over unlocked, dipping 60 fps. Are you trying to dispute this or something? What exactly is your point?

 

[Broseph44]

I could tell the difference immediately when I played LOU on ps4. It seems pretty obvious to me, I guess others don't see it oh well. But I definitely saw it and it's much better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I cant tell the damn difference, so I really don't care about that. I tried with the Last of Us and saw absolutely zero difference in the two modes.

You wouldn't really notice it with a game like TLoU. The frame count doesn't really matter in a game with such slow gameplay. A game like TLoU is ridiculously easy, and isn't based on timing or skill. Any game that requires twitch skills lives and dies by its frame rate.

If you played Mario Kart 8 at launch and played SP and MP splitscreen, the difference in frame rate made it two different games. The difference in speed is insane. It is one of the main reasons why all MP FPS and fighting games have to set a goal of 60fps. It actually changes the game to the point of

Well, okay, if you want to say that. But so what? Like I said, I don't find 30 fps unplayable, and I would almost say I'd prefer fixed 30 fps over unlocked, dipping 60 fps. Are you trying to dispute this or something? What exactly is your point?

What was your original point? To whine about whining? My point is there is reason why people complain about games with a frame rate at 30s these days. It is ridiculous that they exist in the "next gen".

Just because a game isn't "unplayable" doesn't mean it is optimized either. And those that spend money to play these games at their best, it matters. Now resolution isn't that big of a deal, as it is mostly about looks. But FPS matter to the game play.

Now if there are dips, that is a problem with the production, and they should have made a game capable of locking at 60 fps. "The Evil Within" is a big deal for me. My brother and I count Resident Evil 4 as one of our favorite games. I have personally bought the game a good 5 times over the years. I adore Vanquish. But that doesn't make this not a problem.

 

[Tron Bonne]

It's an ongoing dispute. Some people say they see it obviously and instantly, others swear up and down they don't see a difference either way. I don't know much about it, but I have a feeling it might have to do with how good your eyesight is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I could tell the difference immediately when I played LOU on ps4. It seems pretty obvious to me, I guess others don't see it oh well. But I definitely saw it and it's much better.

This would be because most don't play 60fps games, or never been presented with the difference in such a blatant form.

It's an ongoing dispute. Some people say they see it obviously and instantly, others swear up and down they don't see a difference either way. I don't know much about it, but I have a feeling it might have to do with how good your eyesight is.

This is not a dispute, it is quite factual.

If you built a gaming PC it is instantly recognizable, mainly because you spend time messing with settings. I wouldn't have understood it a decade ago. But after building a gaming PC and learning more and more about fighting games, it is automatic.

 

[Tron Bonne]

What was your original point? To whine about whining? My point is there is reason why people complain about games with a frame rate at 30s these days. It is ridiculous that they exist in the "next gen".

My point was that I didn't find it unplayable as some people claim, nor do I think it's such an issue that people shooed denounce a game they are interested in because of it, especially if it's a fixed framerate without dips. I said this pretty explicitly in my posts.

I guess you latched on to my comments on NeoGAF as "whining". I mentioned that since I've seen a trend on that website to overblow how playable things are, especially in regard to resolution and fps

Just because a game isn't "unplayable" doesn't mean it is optimized either. And those that spend money to play these games at their best, it matters. Now resolution isn't that big of a deal, as it is mostly about looks. But FPS matter to the game play.

Now if there are dips, that is a problem with the production, and they should have made a game capable of locking at 60 fps. "The Evil Within" is a big deal for me. My brother and I count Resident Evil 4 as one of our favorite games. I have personally bought the game a good 5 times over the years. I adore Vanquish. But that doesn't make this not a problem.

I still don't see what your trying to argue with me here exactly. Are you just trying to convince me 60 fps is better? Okay, sure, I can agree to that, but it really doesn't matter to what I'm saying here. Bottom line: I find 30 fps fine and playable. It boggles me why that detail alone would kill people's interest in a game, just like a difference of 900p to 1080p kills interest for some people.

 

[Tron Bonne]

This is not a dispute, it is quite factual.

You misunderstand. I didn't mean that there's not a factual difference between 30 fps and 60 fps, but there's plenty of people who don't see the difference, or at least don't see it to the extent you want to imply. So, in that regard, yes, it is a dispute.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My point was that I didn't find it unplayable as some people claim, nor do I think it's such an issue that people shooed denounce a game they are interested in because of it, especially if it's a fixed framerate without dips. I said this pretty explicitly in my posts.

I guess you latched on to my comments on NeoGAF as "whining". I mentioned that since I've seen a trend on that website to overblow how playable things are, especially in regard to resolution and fps

But just because you don't notice it or find it a problem, doesn't suddenly mean the problem doesn't exist.

Basically it is like going up to a football expert who is explaining to you why a team's running game is crap, and you say you don't see a thing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Just like how I wouldn't go up to someone who plays Halo or Street Fighter at a high level that frame rate doesn't matter.

I still don't see what your trying to argue with me here exactly. Are you just trying to convince me 60 fps is better? Okay, sure, I can agree to that, but it really doesn't matter to what I'm saying here. Bottom line: I find 30 fps fine and playable. It boggles me why that detail alone would kill people's interest in a game, just like a difference of 900p to 1080p kills interest for some people.

Your point changed, as it was originally to whine about what you believe is whining. My point is that those that argue the fps are well within their rights, as it effects gameplay.

Maybe it boggles your mind because you don't have a rig or screen of a high level, so you are simply stuck playing games a certain way. For others that isn't the case.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You misunderstand. I didn't mean that there's not a factual difference between 30 fps and 60 fps, but there's plenty of people who don't see the difference, or at least don't see it to the extent you want to imply. So, in that regard, yes, it is a dispute.

Just because someone doesn't understand how a plane flies or babies are made, doesn't mean there is a dispute about how it happens.

 

[Tron Bonne]

But just because you don't notice it or find it a problem, doesn't suddenly mean the problem doesn't exist.

Basically it is like going up to a football expert who is explaining to you why a team's running game is crap, and you say you don't see a thing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Just like how I wouldn't go up to someone who plays Halo or Street Fighter at a high level that frame rate doesn't matter.

Oh, so if I don't see a problem, and I find it perfectly playable, I'm still having a problem? Okay, well, thanks, because I would have never known as I play games in 30 fps perfectly fine that I'm having a problem the whole time

Your point changed, as it was originally to whine about what you believe is whining. My point is that those that argue the fps are well within their rights, as it effects gameplay.

Maybe it boggles your mind because you don't have a rig or screen of a high level, so you are simply stuck playing games a certain way. For others that isn't the case.

My point never changed:

NeoGAF is great for news, but man, the stuff about framerate and resolution on that site has really gotten stupid. I think it's way more important that the game runs without dips than if it's locked one way or the other.

I already explained my comment towards the NeoGAF stuff, which you conveniently ignored here. And really, you still have not done much to clarify exactly what point you're trying to make. Frankly, your posts are coming off like arguing for the sake of arguing, and a somewhat not-so-stealthy PC Masta Race rant.

Just because someone doesn't understand how a plane flies or babies are made, doesn't mean there is a dispute about how it happens.

You either really missed the point of what I said in that post, or you're being intentionally dense here.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

You wouldn't really notice it with a game like TLoU. The frame count doesn't really matter in a game with such slow gameplay. A game like TLoU is ridiculously easy, and isn't based on timing or skill. Any game that requires twitch skills lives and dies by its frame rate.

If you played Mario Kart 8 at launch and played SP and MP splitscreen, the difference in frame rate made it two different games. The difference in speed is insane. It is one of the main reasons why all MP FPS and fighting games have to set a goal of 60fps.

I just don't buy any of that personally. Iv played games where I was told it was 60FPS and iv played games where its 30fps and the experience is the EXACT same. Forza is a perfect example. Forza 5 is 60fps and Forza Horizon 2 is locked at 30, I see absolutely NO difference in the two. None whatsoever. And I played Forza 5 FIRST, so when I threw in Horizon I should of remarked at how awfully slow the game felt, but I didnt. I see zero difference.

Im not saying there is no difference, clearly there has to be, Im saying I don't notice it thus the entire debate on FPS is as flat to me as the debate over frame rate as thats another argument that has no effect on me as iv only got a 32'' TV.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, so if I don't see a problem, and I find it perfectly playable, I'm still having a problem? Okay, well, thanks, because I would have never known as I play games in 30 fps perfectly fine that I'm having a problem the whole time

No, it doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the game. In this case, a clear, empirical, factual problem.

My point never changed:



I already explained my comment towards the NeoGAF stuff, which you conveniently ignored here. And really, you still have not done much to clarify exactly what point you're trying to make. Frankly, your posts are coming off like arguing for the sake of arguing, and a somewhat not-so-stealthy PC Masta Race rant.

You "clearing up" why you made a snide, childish comment doesn't change that you made said comment. Not to mention your reasoning doesn't change the clear intentions of your original post. If you wanted to make a reasonable point, you could have done so without it. You wanted to complain about complaining, and got called out for it.

I don't post at Neogaf, not a fan of that place at all really. Doesn't change what you wrote.

You either really missed the point of what I said in that post, or you're being intentionally dense here.

The only one being dense here would be you. As you continually place your personal experience over factual evidence. People can buy or not buy a game for whatever reason they want. If someone dismisses a game because it runs at 30fps, it is well within their rights. Now I don't know your set up, if you even have a gaming PC, but if you spent a good amount of money on a gaming PC, perhaps you'd understand why people skip over 30fps only games.

I am sure it still boggles the mind of those that have tube tvs the grand difference with HD. It did with my mother until we finally got her to upgrade.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just don't buy any of that personally. Iv played games where I was told it was 60FPS and iv played games where its 30fps and the experience is the EXACT same. Forza is a perfect example. Forza 5 is 60fps and Forza Horizon 2 is locked at 30, I see absolutely NO difference in the two. None whatsoever. And I played Forza 5 FIRST, so when I threw in Horizon I should of remarked at how awfully slow the game felt, but I didnt. I see zero difference.

Im not saying there is no difference, clearly there has to be, Im saying I don't notice it thus the entire debate on FPS is as flat to me as the debate over frame rate as thats another argument that has no effect on me as iv only got a 32'' TV.

you think it is exactly the same. It is not the same. Try and explain that to someone trying to land a low kick with Ryu or trying to nail a headshot in Halo. Where frame date is the difference between winning $10,000 and not. You think it is the same because you play more causally, which is perfectly fine. Most people chock up the weird deaths and why your gun didn't fire when it should have to oddities.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No, it doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the game. In this case, a clear, empirical, factual problem.

If you can't see how utterly illogical what you wrote was there, I got nothing else I can say about it.

You "clearing up" why you made a snide, childish comment doesn't change that you made said comment. Not to mention your reasoning doesn't change the clear intentions of your original post. If you wanted to make a reasonable point, you could have done so without it. You wanted to complain about complaining, and got called out for it.

Honestly, it seems a lot more like you wanted to argue without a clear point (I still am not sure what your overall argument is about here, since you've sidestepped defining at every post), and now are just throwing stuff out there. Weak and inaccurate insults are a good indication of that as well.

The only one being dense here would be you. As you continually place your personal experience over factual evidence. People can buy or not buy a game for whatever reason they want. If someone dismisses a game because it runs at 30fps, it is well within their rights. Now I don't know your set up, if you even have a gaming PC, but if you spent a good amount of money on a gaming PC, perhaps you'd understand why people skip over 30fps only games.

I am sure it still boggles the mind of those that have tube tvs the grand difference with HD. It did with my mother until we finally got her to upgrade.

Did I say they didn't have the right to do so? Of course they do. People have the right to dismiss something for anything. They can dismiss Sonic games, because they hate blue, just to give a ridiculous example.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on that? Sorry, but just as people are free to give their opinions of something, others are free to give opinions of those said opinions. It doesn't matter if you're basing this on factual information. I never, at any point, made a factual statement that there was no difference between 30 fps and 60 fps and people weren't allow to prefer one over the other. I said I don't think it's as important, nor unplayable, as people have implied in the past (primarily on NeoGAF, which is what I was commenting on, and you even say you don't frequent). Sorry that's it apparently not within my right to do this because I don't game on the PC