The Fast and the Furious: Hobbs and Shaw

[dude stannis]

Does your book say anything about the protagonists crushing people with giant safes?

 

[dark_b]

Does your book say anything about the protagonists crushing people with giant safes?

Fast Furious 5 ?

 

[James]

Yeah, I understand that. But I don't understand how anyone find this movies entertaining. But this is just me. I am sure I find some movie entertaining while others wander the same about me. Circle of movie nerd life.

Even if (for whatever reason) you can't understand why people find something entertaining, I'm of the opinion you should at least respect the fact that they do. Coming into a thread you apparently have no interest in to begin with, then raving in caps about how you don't understand why the people in said thread like the thing they're talking about isn't being respectful. If the "film critic" thing under your name is supposed to have any legitimacy, respect for other people's opinions is something you'd do well to learn.

I can understand that people like fun entertaining ''comedies'' with action. But to have this character on the good side ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATEmtH0h65w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAkmnNP3U4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHZwryylhrI

If hollywood can get away with Deckard than everything is possible.

Audiences have been cheering on the likes of Hannibal Lecter and co. for decades. Mass murder is quickly forgiven if the character is charming enough t:

 

[2kt09]

Audiences have been cheering on the likes of Hannibal Lecter and co. for decades. Mass murder is quickly forgiven if the character is charming enough t:

If the character is played by Jason Statham. Definitely preferred him as the villain for once.

Took a weird turn in suddenly making "Owen" the really corrupted brother.

 

[harlequinade]

As long as Statham doesn't kill a child or a dog I'm gonna love whoever he is playing

 

[Loki882]

Hey if I could buy Spike from Buffy going from villain to hero by the end of the show, then Deckard ain't hard to buy either imo.

 

[James]

Marvel and DC have been doing it forever too. Characters who start off as villains gain enough popularity and are turned into heroes, regardless of their past actions.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, and my guess is they'll retcon Han's death like they did with Letty's. If I remember correctly, they never showed his body, did they? If not, we'll probably find out that he just went into hiding or something because I believe there was a recent report that the actor would be appearing in future F&F films. Only question is, did Deckard kill any other innocent people? I don't remember. I know he laid waste to that hospital at the beginning of Furious 7 but I don't remember if anyone was actually dead or just beaten up.

I guess that doesn't really matter though because all of the team have killed innocent people at this point, haven't they?

 

[Symbiotic]

Morgan himself said directly that Han did die. He went on to say that retconning deaths can only happen so many times or else there's no genuine stakes.

 

[Rowsdower!]

True, but so far they've retconned Letty's death, seemed to retcon Owen Shaw's death, and they've turned villains into heroes even when they've killed members of the team. I feel like nothing is off the table at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if Cipher joins the team next and they take down that Brazilian bank owner guy from Fast 8, who has mysteriously been resurrected.

 

[2kt09]

Plus, Letty's death retcon actually added to the story.

Glossing over Deckard's acts in F7 was a means to end to get that Dom substitute on the team and better flesh out his family drama.

 

[James]

I know he laid waste to that hospital at the beginning of Furious 7 but I don't remember if anyone was actually dead or just beaten up.

He definitely killed a few. As Deckard is walking out of the elevator he picks up a grenade, sticks it/gives it to a cop and then pushes the cop into a small group of other unconscious/dead officers.

But like you say, it doesn't matter because the rest of the team are complicit if not directly responsible for the deaths of multiple innocents. Shaw's hospital massacre was basically an audition.

 

[2kt09]

Shaw's hospital massacre was basically an audition.

big fan of killcount vids

 

[James]

big fan of killcount vids

Haha nice!

I used to visit moviebodycounts.com a lot, but they don't seem to have updated anything for a long time. It's a pity because they were pretty comprehensive. More money and views in YouTube I guess!

 

[terry78]

The Fast and the Furious title doesn't allude to cars, it alludes to how they murder.

 

[DACrowe]

Now, if you take Hobbs and Shaw and put them in their own movie, does that mean they would no longer be in the main F&F series? Taking out The Rock would be a huge blow to the box office attraction of this series.

This might confirm the rumors of Diesel feuding with Johnson. If so, Diesel is crazy. The Rock is the mountain of charisma that has held up the last three or four F&F movies. With him gone, and the original "family" sadly broken up from the first movie with Paul Walker gone and thus Jordana Brewster written out, there is nothing left to carry the next two F&F movies except for him, Michelle Rodriguez, and Tyrese.

.... Yeah good luck with that.

 

[DACrowe]

I remember during the safe-scene, my friend turning to me and saying "These people are monsters". All their talk of family, saying grace, Dominic in particular with his holier-than-thou attitude -the whole gang are a bunch of murderous maniacs in one form another. Taking that into account I guess it makes sense they'd so quickly accept Shaw into their club of hypocritical psychos.

All the more reason to love the series

Add to that Diesel working with Cipher willingly throughout the newest one. Yes, he always was looking for the opportunity to double cross her, but doesn't know if he'll get it. In the meantime, he helps her steal an EMP and nuclear codes, and finally a nuclear sub. If Shaw failed to save his baby, she would have nuked a city that killed millions, and he probably is complicit of the deaths of dozens in New York when they were raining cars and crashing cars onto of pedestrian heavy sidewalks, and with folks still in the vehicles.

But he is still a hero? Ha ha, no.

And I enjoyed every minute of that big dumb goofy movie.

 

[James]

And I enjoyed every minute of that big dumb goofy movie.

Me too!

I'm still a little unclear on Cypher's plan though. Was she actually intending to use any of the weapons, or just keep them as a threat? At one point she mentions "accountability". I thought her idea was to keep the weapons in her pocket as a way of keeping the world in line from destroying itself, like a constant looming threat, rather than specifically targeting anyone.

 

[2kt09]

Me too!

I'm still a little unclear on Cypher's plan though. Was she actually intending to use any of the weapons, or just keep them as a threat? At one point she mentions "accountability". I thought her idea was to keep the weapons in her pocket as a way of keeping the world in line from destroying itself, like a constant looming threat, rather than specifically targeting anyone.

The world in line from destroying itself?
It came off more like she'll have all the necessary weapons in the world to do as she wished and make sure the world powers weren't veering in a direction she didn't agree with or (the obvious) else. Pretty standard stuff.

 

[James]

The world in line from destroying itself?
It came off more like she'll have all the necessary weapons in the world to do as she wished and make sure the world powers weren't veering in a direction she didn't agree with or (the obvious) else. Pretty standard stuff.

Like I said though, she talked about accountability. My impression was Cypher basically intended on appointing herself the 'world police'. No one launches a nuke or does anything too disastrous, because if they do she'll be there to launch one right back at them.

I'd have to watch it again, but I remember thinking at the time that Cypher's plan was a little more clever than the usual Bond-villain shenanigans.

 

[2kt09]

Like I said though, she talked about accountability. My impression was Cypher basically intended on appointing herself the 'world police'. No one launches a nuke or does anything too distract, because if they do she'll be there to launch one right back at them.

I'd have to watch it again, but I remember thinking at the time that Cypher's plan was a little more clever than the usual Bond-villain shenanigans.

Nah, as soon as she delivered it, my Bond-villain meter went off.
If they build on it, great. If not, it's w/e since she was formidable enough as a villain worth detesting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Shaw and Hobbs are pretty much the only thing I liked about 7. Their interactions in the trailers for 8 are all that really interest me. So yes, I am definitely on board for this.

 

[James]

Nah, as soon as she delivered it, my Bond-villain meter went off.
If they build on it, great. If not, it's w/e since she was formidable enough as a villain worth detesting.

I just liked that Cypher wanted something other than power for the sake of power. The overall intent, as I understood it, was noble in a skewed fashion. Villains with good intentions are the best villains, I think.

I hope her goal continues to be the same. Mind you, asking for consistency from the Fast and Furious franchise might be a bit much t:

 

[Symbiotic]

I just liked that Cypher wanted something other than power for the sake of power. The overall intent, as I understood it, was noble in a skewed fashion. Villains with good intentions are the best villains.

Was that really Cipher though? We're talking about a woman who was perfectly willing

Spoiler

to have a newborn child murdered, without any guilt.

Obviously she didn't do it, but I saw her as someone who wanted the power just to have it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Add to that Diesel working with Cipher willingly throughout the newest one. Yes, he always was looking for the opportunity to double cross her, but doesn't know if he'll get it. In the meantime, he helps her steal an EMP and nuclear codes, and finally a nuclear sub. If Shaw failed to save his baby, she would have nuked a city that killed millions, and he probably is complicit of the deaths of dozens in New York when they were raining cars and crashing cars onto of pedestrian heavy sidewalks, and with folks still in the vehicles.

But he is still a hero? Ha ha, no.

And I enjoyed every minute of that big dumb goofy movie.

Plus they also killed a sh**-ton of Russian soldiers, who as far as I could tell, were jut trying to keep a nuclear submarine from being stolen. Although maybe I missed a line somewhere that explained that they were bad guys or something.