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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. The fate of Agent Ward

What should be the fate of Agent Ward

  • He needs to be taken down

  • He should remain evil but stay around for several seasons

  • He should be redeemed in some way and rejoin the team

  • Coulson needs to open a can of whoop ass on him


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Ward is great as a bad guy but he's gotta die for his crimes. He needs to be shot down while trying to kill his former teammates. And they should make Skye pull the trigger. That would be a fitting end for the most wooden relationship in the MCU. :awesome:

Yeah, if Ward is to die (assuming they don't use a bunch of twists to put him back on Coulson's team which would require a hell of a lot of twists at this point), whether it's this season or next, I want Skye to be the one to do it. I'd love to see her pull a Batman Begins where she leaves him buried under a bunch of debris as an underground facility implodes and she plays the "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you" card.

Or better yet, have Skye pull a Mad Max where she leaves Ward cuffed to a conveniently immovable object with a bomb near by, give him a hacksaw & gives him the sadistic choice of either trying to cut through the chain or cutting off his own hand.

A little dark for Skye? Maybe but hey, that's life in the spy world.
 
Yeah, if Ward is to die (assuming they don't use a bunch of twists to put him back on Coulson's team which would require a hell of a lot of twists at this point), whether it's this season or next, I want Skye to be the one to do it. I'd love to see her pull a Batman Begins where she leaves him buried under a bunch of debris as an underground facility implodes and she plays the "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you" card.

Or better yet, have Skye pull a Mad Max where she leaves Ward cuffed to a conveniently immovable object with a bomb near by, give him a hacksaw & gives him the sadistic choice of either trying to cut through the chain or cutting off his own hand.

A little dark for Skye? Maybe but hey, that's life in the spy world.

You know I think that's exactly what Skye needs, it would make her character more interesting. Wards betrayal is gonna be rough on her so it would be nice to see her get some sort of revenge .
 
I chose (Future) Director Coulson opening up a can of whoopass on him, but I'd actually like to see a combination of some of those choices happen to Ward:

I think he should be punished for his crimes and treachery, but I also think he deserves a redemption arc. Ward deserves a little shred of humanity and decency, and I think Coulson and Skye have given him enough of a conscience to at least start working with.

What I'd like to see happen is for Ward to have to choose by the season finale between HYDRA and SHIELD (or what 5 or 6 of them are left). No way is Coulson going to just let him back into the group, of course, but I'd like to see Ward ultimately turn on HYDRA and save Coulson & Company's lives. Give love a chance to win out. Then have Ward go out into the shadows, off the grid, on his own (since he's always been good at that), and be like a Phantom of the Opera type character to Skye for Season 2 --- always watching her/them, lurking in the shadows, dashing in to save the day from time to time before Coulson chases him back into the darkness.
 
they think they've killed him. his birth name is revealed to be Eric Williams. he returns as the Grim Reaper.
 
I think Ward is someone who has the capacity for a change of heart, but I don't think that means it can ever be "all is forgiven." Dramatically, he's the perfect candidate to have a change of heart and then die. Alternatively, even if he lives, he still has too much blood on his hands. He'll get some credit for doing the right thing before shipped off to the fridge.

Short of some external reason (or if they never find out the truth), I can't see him going back to the team. May only spied on Coulson and she has to work to get back into his good graces. Killing many members of SHIELD, including Victoria Hand, will be too much to forget.

So I think death is the easiest way to wrap up that plot, but it's hard to say.
 
I want to see:
Garrett dies in the finale of Season One
The real mastermind, Garrett's boss is revealed as a cliffhanger
Ward will die around the midpoint of the Season Two, possibly by sacrificing himself for Skye (or being killed by Skye, something exceptionally emotional)
 
I think Ward is someone who has the capacity for a change of heart, but I don't think that means it can ever be "all is forgiven." Dramatically, he's the perfect candidate to have a change of heart and then die. Alternatively, even if he lives, he still has too much blood on his hands. He'll get some credit for doing the right thing before shipped off to the fridge.

Short of some external reason (or if they never find out the truth), I can't see him going back to the team. May only spied on Coulson and she has to work to get back into his good graces. Killing many members of SHIELD, including Victoria Hand, will be too much to forget.

So I think death is the easiest way to wrap up that plot, but it's hard to say.

My money is on Ward surviving for at least couple more seasons (or until series end). He's the obvious (easy) choice for death, so I bet he won't die. IMO Fitz, for example, has a higher chance of random death than Ward, because we wouldn't see it coming, just like no one saw Hand getting shot.

Yes this is Whedon family script writing (mostly Jed and Maurissa), and yes, Joss killed Tara, Wash, Shepard, Anya, Fred, Doyle, Cordelia, Wesley, Joyce, Jenny, Spike, Angel, Buffy twice... what was I talking about again?

... The majority of those deaths either occurred at series end (or in a series ending movie), or they were "deaths" that didn't mean the character (or actor in Fred and Cordelia's cases) actually left the show.
 
Coulson!!
He should use the same gun he used on Loki in the Avengers on Ward's behind!

that dude deserves it! He's been stabbed thru the heart,had half his team lie to him and betray him , being Fury's freaking Gopher, has had the Destroyer almost incinerate his ass and been injected with Blue man group juice... dude deserves to kick the Living %^& outta something and his name is agent Ward!
 
who ward? if he's a triple agent i am through watching this show and i dont know how that can be after he's killed so many people and let all the inmates escape the asylum like Ra's aL Ghul! if he does a switcharoo after all this that would be a cop out! "oh i was one of you guys all along!" no way
 
Yes this is Whedon family script writing (mostly Jed and Maurissa), and yes, Joss killed Tara, Wash, Shepard, Anya, Fred, Doyle, Cordelia, Wesley, Joyce, Jenny, Spike, Angel, Buffy twice... what was I talking about again?

FWIW, I'm thinking Hand was the "don't see coming" death so it doesn't necessarily have to be a regular. Then again, I previously thought Mike was that person and that obviously didn't go the way I expected.
 
what if he's a triple agent?

The only way that plays is if the dead good agents (Hand, the guys with her, the two guys in the elevator) were either LMDs or Ward was shooting some Fitz-altered ammo that didn't kill them. Even then, he gave Garrett the gravatonium when Garrett didn't even know it was in the Fridge, and that just doesn't make sense no matter how i try to spin it to make Ward a secret good guy.

He's either going to stay bad, or change sides later on, but right now he's bad.
 
or HYDRA agents
There is no WAY Hand wasn't Hydra, why would she break her word and instead of taking Garret to the Fridge, have him SHOT in the air?
 
or HYDRA agents
There is no WAY Hand wasn't Hydra, why would she break her word and instead of taking Garret to the Fridge, have him SHOT in the air?

Because she's an a-hole?

That still doesn't account for the random guards Ward killed at the Fridge facility.
 
or HYDRA agents
There is no WAY Hand wasn't Hydra, why would she break her word and instead of taking Garret to the Fridge, have him SHOT in the air?

If she was HYDRA, she wouldn't need to have been shot, since Garret and Ward are both HYDRA. Then they could've taken the Fridge that much easier, without that ruse with the helicopter shooting at them.

And Ward is 100% HYDRA. We know he was placed on the team, by Garrett, well in advance to HYDRA being discovered by anyone. Fury didn't know about HYDRA yet, so how could he have placed Ward as a triple agent so far in advance? No, everything we've seen of Grant Ward this entire season has been an act (save his growing feelings for Skye).

My big question is now this: What is Ward's real name? Anyone else hoping he turns out to be a character from the comics? And if so... who?
 
My big question is now this: What is Ward's real name? Anyone else hoping he turns out to be a character from the comics? And if so... who?

I am soooo grasping for straws here but what if it was Tony masters.... as in

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TASKMASTER!!
How freaking cool would that be!! Damn! and with DEATHLOK!
OH MY GOD!! i would Love this show forever!! Highly unlikely but hey it could happen!
 
My big question is now this: What is Ward's real name? Anyone else hoping he turns out to be a character from the comics? And if so... who?

I don't know but I hope like hell they're planning on giving up some info about his family before the season is over. It's been mentioned several times, give us a taste please.
 
I don't know about the whole "he's got too much blood on his hands" thing. Black Widow did much worse stuff for much longer than Ward has, and yet people accept her redemption (and being on the freaking Avengers). That being said, Ward is just more fun as a bad guy.
 
I don't know about the whole "he's got too much blood on his hands" thing. Black Widow did much worse stuff for much longer than Ward has, and yet people accept her redemption (and being on the freaking Avengers). That being said, Ward is just more fun as a bad guy.

Totally agree with you on that.
 
take, just for fun, on how to make Ward The Grim Reaper:

Ward can be anyone he wants to be, now that his identity is erased. His identity has been compromised before... Ward's only one of his aliases.

Ward becomes known as Eric Williams. Williams is the maiden name of his mother. Simon is the younger brother, he preferred to use the grandma's last name.. When Garret asked "Ward" who he is, he became "Grant Ward" agent of Shield again.. But that wasn't the first time his identity was compromised. The 3 brothers have the same mother, and lived with their grandma. Each has a different father, and we've never heard of Maynard before because he's a half-brother. Ward changes to a name that resembles the younger brother's, but reminds him too much of the past. People will associate his new last name with his cool younger brother who's now a celebrity-type a famous Hollywood actor in the MCU. Actors make good liars, they make good undercover Hydra agents...Hydra has their sights on the younger bro. . Hydra has been circling these brothers for a long time.

Garrett "found" all three brothers. Maynard was easy to "turn". Simon pretended he would support Maynard's goals. Garrett wasn't sure the middle brother would turn until he saw him kill Hand, "Turn, Turn, Turn" applies to the brothers as well as to Ward, Garret, and Skye...Garret wants Ward to seduce Skye. Garret is almost like a recruitment officer, who "turns" people to Hydra. The younger bro becomes Wonderman.

Garrett leaves, to make sure the others are following their dreams. Trevor Slattery was following his dreams when he became an actor, and when he pretended to nod off in IM3. AIM is a limb/branch of the Hydra, and Trevor is not what we think...He's deep undercover for Hydra and located the ancient 10 rings organization for Hydra/AIM by drawing them to him at the same time as covering up AIM's mistakes, he's a Master at lying/deception, the King of the undercover Hydra agents, the most believable con-man. The real Clairvoyant "knows what the President dreams about", infects minds through the subconscious, and Raina and Akela Amadore know this. Amadore was worried about sleeping. Garrett doesn't know he's a host for it... and the force we call the Clairvoyant is almost demonic in nature...Chooses certain people to hide in/possess. There's something eating away at Ward's memories, something Maynard did after he met Zemo. Maynard has worked for Strucker and Zemo as a bodyguard. Ward knows a little about Hydra's upper management through his brothers. Nash was just a puppet, infected, something was speaking through the back of his mind. Machines were keeping him alive. Garret has cybernetic parts, and the techno-demon infected him, spoke through him because of his persuasiveness.. It likes Raina because she's also persuasive. She has questions she would have asked the real Clairvoyant, because she actually has a gift... Garret says, "i don't have a gift, but you do".

The force Nash talked about that will come for Skye is something we can't comprehend. It's almost possessing each of the people we thought were the Clairvoyant, It's related to the Zodiac group, and black magic/hypnotism...It prefers Raina, wants her as a host for it. This black magic force was moved to Blackout via Garrett's hypnotic suggestion to follow his dreams. Hypnotism/mind editing is a science we know very little about, so it may appear to be magical.. There's an unseen war going on for Shield's soul... Coulson is the only person who's been revived and still has a soul, what Jane calls a Quantum field. Magic and science are one and the same, but it's more like two sides of the same coin, or a Yin Yang. Each character has a similar opposite, and there's a little bit of Shield's philosophy left with hydra, now that they've mixed. If anyone else is brought back they won't be the same..Garrett doesn't know it but he's already dead, the cybernetic implants saved his life from the "burns"..

"Mike Peterson is dead", he died on the bridge... They're worried Coulson's brain was being controlled...Garrett's mind is controlled... When Garrett spoke to Blackout he unknowingly transferred black magic powers, and the ability to tap an alternate dimension, to Blackout. It was Blackout's gift, though he doesn't know how his powers work or why. It seems like a miracle that his powers suddenly activated. The Clairvoyant used his brain/body as a vessel, and chose him as a temporary host for his persuasiveness, allowing the thing infecting his mind and making him say those things to pull another con & crawl back into the shadows. "Magic" is science we don't understand, closely related to quantum forces, starlight/moonlight and to the subconscious. Part's of Ward's soul, or the deepest level of subconsciousness as Dr. Strange calls it, has been infected by something more powerful than Hydra, which is using the dark/repressed areas of his brain that were activated by the staff's light to live inside Ward, Ward is becoming one of the Clairvoyant's. As it moves through their mind it steals all memory/data they had access to, so Garrett was one of its victims, but it has more data to collect and hosts to infect..

Ward has opened himself up to these forces, first with the staff, then with Lorelei.. Belief and perception come into play. If you honestly don't believe in ghosts like Garrett, then you might not know it's happening. Skye figures some of it out. Skye lets Peterson blow Ward's arm away to save herself.

Cybertek gets their hands on Ward. Ward (now known as Rick Williams) is given a cybernetic metal arm, and taken away from Garrett to Deathlok's side.
The thing is, Ward's new arm has many moving pieces, and is the first in their new line of what they call "magi-tek" (cyberspace is a magical place)... Ward's new arm can transform into a number of different blade-type weapons, sort of like a T-1000 arm with gears and small moving pieces... Ward becomes one of their worst enemies. He's not just Hydra, he's had a hell of a past, and is close to the forces of death. They start calling him "The Reaper", and he joins Deathlok's side.

Cybertek has been working on The Reaper tech for a while... Peterson rejoins the side of the living, gets his freewill back, and becomes an enemy of The Reaper, as he joins the team, so Peterson never got this upgrade from them. Unlike Winter Soldier's metal arm, it can become a bladed weapon, and Ward prefers to morph it into a Cybernetic Scythe. Ward is supposed to get Skye to Hydra and eventually harvest Raina's eyes. Ward is worse than we can imagine, he becomes a recurring villain with a misunderstood past, who's very soul has been lost. He falls for Raina.. and attempts to take Skye's gift to Raina...He betrays Garret. Raina is the one who is collecting genetics of the registered gifteds for the real Clairvoyant still...Garrett knows little about how they're going to change the world, and why they needed Scorch's fire resistant platelets. Red Skull believed magic and science are one and the same. Some members of AIM (a "limb" of the Hydra) don't question Red Skull's drive to understand magic. Zodiac is obsessed with astronomy/astrology, mysticism/magic and how science and magic are actually better described as "two sides of the same coin"... It's incorrect to view them as exactly the same.. Hydra's only scratched the surface of the other side of the coin, magi-tek is the wave of the future.. Garrett doesn't believe in ghosts in the machine, or that a literal soul is missing from Deathlok's body...Strucker was dead serious about burying the volunteers so far down their ghosts won't find them. Demonic entities cast shadows on the only light memories in the mind. The "Ghost" character was trapped between our dimension and another...Some people have become ghosts in the machine or were programmed by machines. "We all create our own demons". Garrett doesn't believe in it enough to become possessed, so it passes over him. He honestly believes he's been the Clairvoyant all along, he supplied it a lot of data. It's been possessing him, and allows him to think things were his idea all along.
 
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I'm hoping Ward becomes a long running villain for the show.... It gives them a lot more freedom, since they can build him as a great original villain for the show, instead of playing on legacies of other villians who could be better adapted for big screen.
 
I don't know about the whole "he's got too much blood on his hands" thing. Black Widow did much worse stuff for much longer than Ward has, and yet people accept her redemption (and being on the freaking Avengers). That being said, Ward is just more fun as a bad guy.

Its not just a matter of blood, per se. Its also a matter of treachery. Which is to say, Natasha acted as a ruthless, murderous mercenary after she left the KGB/Red Room. Ward is, so far, just as murderous, only he's also actively betrayed everyone around him. He deliberately, knowing that Garrett was a monster, and knowing that he had friends and comrades who were not, chose to side with Garrett. He'd basically pretended to be a hero and friend, and admitted that it wasn't entirely an act with no effect on him. . . and still chose Garrett and Hydra.

That's kind of a lot worse.
 
He hasn't killed anyone important so he's not past the point of redemption.
 
Its not just a matter of blood, per se. Its also a matter of treachery. Which is to say, Natasha acted as a ruthless, murderous mercenary after she left the KGB/Red Room. Ward is, so far, just as murderous, only he's also actively betrayed everyone around him. He deliberately, knowing that Garrett was a monster, and knowing that he had friends and comrades who were not, chose to side with Garrett. He'd basically pretended to be a hero and friend, and admitted that it wasn't entirely an act with no effect on him. . . and still chose Garrett and Hydra.

That's kind of a lot worse.

It depends on what Garrett's ultimate goals are (or at least what he tells Ward they are). He's used SHIELD and Hydra for his own purposes, but what are those purpose?. Ward follows Garrett for the same kind of loyalty Coulson follows Fury (fanatically hunting a "ghost" last episode). Ward could be buying the hype that Garrett is doing the "right thing", the same way Coulson looks to Fury and assumes the same.

While he may have learned Couldon's crew aren't bad guys, he could think they are on the wrong side.
 
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