The Fear Of The Wrestling Thread Is Far Greater Than The Wrestling Thread Itself - Part 151

[TheNextNolan22]

Deep thoughts from Edge yo.

 

[sweetre15]

Deep thoughts from Edge yo.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

 

[cabel]

For the quarterfinals of the New Japan Cup, I'm picking Fale, Shibata, and Goto to advance, while going neutral on Nakemura/Devitt. I can see that one going either way, and I'd be happy either way.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Because it's only a matter of time...

 

[sweetre15]

Because it's only a matter of time...

Ugh, This is DEFINITELY true for the guys on Wrestlingforums and to an extent, Wrestlezone.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Ugh, This is DEFINITELY true for the guys on Wrestlingforums and to an extent, Wrestlezone.

I've seen that too. And I guarantee you that if Cesaro was in Bryan's position, the same exact thing would happen.

 

[sweetre15]

I've seen that too. And I guarantee you that if Cesaro was in Bryan's position, the same exact thing would happen.

I really hope the Contrarianism remains Minimal when Bryan gets the title.

 

[SuperBatman]

Finally got a chance to watch SD. I kinda wonder what they are doing with the Shield. Are they splitting or staying together. There is what 3 weeks left and the only 4 matches are schedule so far.

I know they will start making matches in the coming weeks but it will be interesting to see what these matches will be. Wonder if the Shield will be punished for not helping Corporate Kane and giving him a spear.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

I have several problems with what the guy said above:

- First the "exploiting the injury" comment. That happens in WWE. Think back to Bryan vs Sheamus, 2 out of 3 falls. Bryan injures Sheamus' arm and focuses on it throughout the match, and Sheamus sold it throughout the match. And in the last month, wasn't Bryan's arm injury attacked for weeks?

- Second, the guy is using Cena/Rock in his example, which is a very poor example for so many reasons. That feud was all smoke and mirrors and not a true rivalry. The reason it felt scripted is because it was. All of the Rock's single matches in his return were rehearsed apparently.

If he wanted to use a good example, he should've used CM Punk/John Cena, the best rivalry of the last few years. Their first big epic match was called in the ring, according to CM Punk. They weren't hated enemies, but competitive rivals who were out to prove who was better. And in that context, a lock-up made sense. That rivalry built on every match, with both guys knowing each other well and finding way to counter each other's offense. Look at their NOC match: After hitting the G2S twice with unsuccessful results, CM Punk resorted to the Rock Bottom, the move that beat Cena at Wrestlemania 28. And in their last match, the two knew each other so well they resorted to new moves to throw each other off. Cena pulled out the sit-out powerbomb; CM Punk pulled out a piledriver; and the Cena used a hurricanrana before hitting a second Attitude Adjustment.

- Also, didn't Bray target Bryan's head in the match quite a bit? Didn't the commentary mentioned the rumors of Bryan having a concussion? It made sense to me, especially when you look at how Bray beat him--a Sister Abigail into the barricade. Bryan is thrown for a loop and can't comeback, and a second one in the ring for the win.

- What idiotic restrictions on movesets is he referring to? The removal of certain high impact moves, particularly to the head? If that's it, then I definitely can't agree since the company is looking out for their talents' well-being in doing that.

- So puro doesn't have multiple finisher kickouts? I thought that originated in Japan before coming to the States?

All pretty much solid points, I'm both an American wrestling fan AND a Puro fan but I sometimes think that the more hardcore on both sides tend to look through a bit of a rose-tinted glass when discrediting the others "psychology".

WWE's wrestlers have constantly used limb targeting to tell a story in the ring....just as some recent examples

- Bryan vs Orton on Raw leading up to Elimination Chamber

- Damien Sandow vs John Cena the night after Hell In A Cell

- Alberto Del Rio vs Dolph Ziggler at WWE Payback

- Bray Wyatt vs Daniel Bryan with the concussion angle being put over

- Daniel Bryan's two recent singles matches with Kane where both guys were picking each other apart.

Granted they dont always just flat out assault those limbs beyond repair but they definitely maintain continuity during the match by targeting and working a limb.

Just catching up on these posts, sorry guys. Yeah, I didn't mean for it to be a definitive guide on Puro, and he sure does show his bias in some ways, but I thought overall he did a good job of giving a grasp on the psychology of Puro when it's done well. He's admittedly not a fan of WWE's style, but I thought it was a good basis for people who may not watch it as often.

That being said, I do agree with a lot of your points and thought he was off-base on a couple of things. Especially his comments about people trading off on offense... All I could think was, "Uhhh, that's how every single pro wrestling match goes!" Well, unless it's jobbers getting squashed. Anyways, just thought it was an interesting viewpoint, and I'm not trying to make up anyone's mind. I enjoy watching both American & Japanese wrestling, but I do prefer American wrestling since that's what I grew up watching.

 

[sweetre15]

Just catching up on these posts, sorry guys. Yeah, I didn't mean for it to be a definitive guide on Puro, and he sure does show his bias in some ways, but I thought overall he did a good job of giving a grasp on the psychology of Puro when it's done well. He's admittedly not a fan of WWE's style, but I thought it was a good basis for people who may not watch it as often.

That being said, I do agree with a lot of your points and thought he was off-base on a couple of things. Especially his comments about people trading off on offense... All I could think was, "Uhhh, that's how every single pro wrestling match goes!" Well, unless it's jobbers getting squashed. Anyways, just thought it was an interesting viewpoint, and I'm not trying to make up anyone's mind. I enjoy watching both American & Japanese wrestling, but I do prefer American wrestling since that's what I grew up watching.

Yeah that's cool. I mean Puro at it's best is amazing to watch and the psychology does different in basic presentation but the ring psychology on the other hand is quite similar when both are at their best. Specifically the continuity of limb targeting and exploiting an injury,

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

Ugh, This is DEFINITELY true for the guys on Wrestlingforums and to an extent, Wrestlezone.

I've seen that too. And I guarantee you that if Cesaro was in Bryan's position, the same exact thing would happen.

Yeah, it's really sad to see the hive mentality that exists in those places. I oftentimes go into those threads just to get a laugh though - the fickleness of human beings never ceases to amaze me, especially wrestling fans that think they know everything.

Also, I'm convinced those are the types of people who go to wrestling shows and chant things like "Husky Harris" during Wyatt's matches. Twerps.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yep, Doesnt she look like a hotter version of Julia Stiles or is that just me?

That's actually a pretty accurate call!

Watching Wrestlemania 27 on the WWE Network. I know there are worse matches out there, but man is there a duller Wrestlemania main event than Cena vs Miz. What the heck where they thinking with that one?

Punk and Cena never main evented Mania together, but this did. Shake my freakin' head.

That main event was purely about setting up Cena vs Rock for the next Mania and that's why they needed a patsy champion. It's easily the weakest Main Event in the history of Mania as Miz, as has been proven by his massive decline since, was way out of his depth.

Quality-wise it's in the same suck bracket as Taker vs Sid and Triple H vs Orton as the top 3 worst Mania main events.

Even before WCW, Crockett had a 6-man title going back to the mid 80s (although, apparently there have been variations in the NWA going back to the 70s). I remember the Koloffs being champs, and the combination of the Road Warriors and Dusty having a couple of title runs.

I always thought it was a silly concept. About as useless as the Western States Heritage title. lol

Now you mention it I seem to recall Dusty and The Road Warriors been six man tag team champs, although I didn't know it went back all the way to the 80's. The trio I remember seeing with the titles was JYD, Tommy Rich and Ricky Morton.

Finally got a chance to watch SD. I kinda wonder what they are doing with the Shield. Are they splitting or staying together. There is what 3 weeks left and the only 4 matches are schedule so far.

I know they will start making matches in the coming weeks but it will be interesting to see what these matches will be. Wonder if the Shield will be punished for not helping Corporate Kane and giving him a spear.

I'd say The Shield are going face and they will turn Ambrose heel from there down the line. They want to position Reigns and Rollins as faces while still within The Shield IMO.

I think The Shield will actually feud with The Authority from now right through Mania, possibly into the summer where a big Summerslam match could well be Evolution vs The Shield.

One of the most interesting aspects of the latest developments with The Shield is how Rollins has assumed the mantle of leader, even to the point he made the call not to help Kane on SD.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Slushy]

Cena Vs. Miz made Orton Vs. Helmsley look like MOTY, lol.

 

[JabarR]

Scooby-Doo WrestleMania Mystery Review

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[TheNextNolan22]

Cena Vs. Miz made Orton Vs. Helmsley look like MOTY, lol.

Well to be fair, A LOT of people had high hopes for HHH/Orton whereas hardly no one was excited for Cena/Miz.

 

[The Sage]

Because it's only a matter of time...

Yep. They did the same thing to CM Punk.

 

[TX85]

I bet anything that people around the internet will be turning on D-Bry by Summerslam if he's the wwe champion,Some people with Daniel avy's/signatures and stuff and marking for his WM involvement right now will be posting stuff like"The Yes Movement was and is joke" and"Daniel Bryan is a hack" or"he's as overrated Cena was"

Just watch!

 

[runawayboulder]

I can see it happening. That's why I have some real concerns about how he's being booked now. Winning 2 major WM matches could slide him into Super-Cena territory. It's the WWE's own fault for screwing it up to begin with and backing themselves into a corner. Hell, knowing the nature of the business and how vindictive it can be, I would be shocked if HHH is banking on the IWC getting sick of Bryan.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

I can see it happening. That's why I have some real concerns about how he's being booked now. Winning 2 major WM matches could slide him into Super-Cena territory. It's the WWE's own fault for screwing it up to begin with and backing themselves into a corner. Hell, knowing the nature of the business and how vindictive it can be, I would be shocked if HHH is banking on the IWC getting sick of Bryan.

Honestly, comparing Bryan winning two Wrestlemania matches to "Super-Cena" is completely unfair - if anything, it makes WAY more sense for Bryan to do something like this than Cena just based on the way he's been booked. First off, he's been booked as the ultimate underdog BELIEVABLY. Every time they try and book Cena to 'overcome the odds' it just feels forced and ridiculous, because just look at the guy... he should never be booked as an underdog based on his physique, especially in this day & age. Secondly, Bryan has, for the most part during his WWE career, been booked as a highly proficient technician and someone with lots of heart. He's been wrestling multiple matches on shows since last June, so it's not even something out of the ordinary for his character.

Finally & most importantly,I'll say it again, his BOOKING since Summerslam allows the story to make complete sense for him to be in two Mania matches. I think we all agree that it's a band-aid measure for Punk's departure, but damn, it's some of the most logical booking they've done in YEARS. Even though I love Punk, a match with HHH at Mania would have been kinda forced and always felt like Bryan was getting shunted aside yet again. At least now, there will (hopefully) be a closure to a storyline that started all the way back at Summerslam.

So long story short, I have zero problem with Bryan winning two matches at Mania because it makes sense from a storyline point of view. He doesn't always have to be protected like Cena, because he's a great in-ring performer capable of overcoming a lot of the crappy booking that plagues a bunch of Cena's feuds.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

The fan reaction should have died down about 3 months ago and he could have been Zack Rydered, but no the fans stuck by him. I really don't get the Super Cena argument here. Bryan has been known for working double duty.

 

[The Sage]

The fan reaction should have died down about 3 months ago and he could have been Zack Rydered, but no the fans stuck by him. I really don't get the Super Cena argument here. Bryan has been known for working double duty.

Bryan's stamina and ability to work double-duty isn't the concern. Anyone remember that he worked triple-duty last August in that gauntlet match on RAW with Swagger, Cesaro, and Ryback?

I think the SuperCena argument is about Bryan overcoming the odds and winning two high profile matches at Wrestlemania. With Cena, it was annoying because he was never really the underdog. He's been booked as one of the most dominant performers of all time, and the most of the last decade. Attempting to book him as an underdog comes across as forced. That's one of the reasons why the "Greatness vs Redemption" theme that was attempted with Rock/Cena II was stupid.

Bryan on the other hand, has been booked as underdog his entire time in WWE, as H.U.S.T.L.E. said. He's been screwed over since Summerslam. Him defeating Evolution at Wrestlemania and finally getting the belt is the ultimate vindication of everything he's been through. It would be well earned, and not forced at all. The greatest overcoming the odds story WWE has had in years. Maybe ever. Worthy of closing Wrestlemania 30.

 

[The Sage]

- CM Punk appeared on last night’s Talking Dead on AMC and made no mention of pro wrestling, WWE or WrestleMania. Punk was introduced as Phil Brooks aka CM Punk and his Twitter was plugged but host Chris Hardwick mostly referred to him as Phil Brooks.

At one point, Punk commented, “Trust me, right now I’m a completely new person”, in regard to being called “sweet” by guest Yvette Nicole Brown while discussing the topic of forgiveness involving two characters on The Walking Dead.

- Bill Apter of 1wrestling.com spoke with 2014 WWE Hall of Famer Jake “The Snake” Roberts last week and as of last Wednesday, doctors still didn’t know what type of cancer Jake has.

- Zeb Colter wrote on Twitter that Cesaro and Jack Swagger will be “making noise” on tonight’s RAW.

- SeekingAlpha.com published a blurb on WWE today after the rumor came out last week that AMC Networks was interested in buying WWE. They note that media analysts think that if Vince McMahon decided to sell his controlling stake in WWE, that a host of buyers would be waiting. They also note that the “attractive” WWE franchise could be of interest to Madison Square Garden or Comcast as the WWE Network is just starting to take hold.

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