The FFINO ZONE - Part 1

[Raiden]

If Marvel gets F4 back, i don't see them being used until after Inhumans and that's a long time from now. Marvel has a lot on their plate

Well, people said the same thing about Daredevil too, and look how fast Marvel made a Netflix series for it. Same thing with Spider-Man. If F4's rights are reverted back to Marvel, they may not wait until Phase 4 to start doing something with the First Family and their rich roster of villains and universe.

 

[Surfer]

I think people here are willing to wait, and let the likely stench of this reboot fade. Plus, that would make F4 a phase 4 film, which is fitting if you ask me. Marvel, though will be quicker in utilizing the other characters like Silver Surfer and Galactus I believe.

Exactly this^^^

Surfer

 

[Dasher10]

I think people here are willing to wait, and let the likely stench of this reboot fade. Plus, that would make F4 a phase 4 film, which is fitting if you ask me. Marvel, though will be quicker in utilizing the other characters like Silver Surfer and Galactus I believe.

Maybe as minor players. I feel like Uatu will come first. Phase 3 is already packed as it is and Guardians 2 will either be about the Eternals or Universal Church of Truth, probably the latter just to involve Adam Warlock and the Soul Gem first. I'd rather the FF join Phase 4 in 2020. This is my ideal Phase 4 if the rights revert.

ABC series for She-Hulk and MS. Marvel which are both rumored

Disney Channel series for Power Pack

ABC Family series for Avengers Academy and Runaways

Netflix series for Black Widow, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Elektra, Thunderbolts, Blade and Hawkeye all but Moon Knight have been rumored

2019

November - Spider-Man: The Death of Jean DeWolff

2020

March - Doctor Strange: Ascent Into Hell

May - Iron Man: Armor Wars

July - Incredible Hulk: Ghosts of the Past

November - Fantastic Four (Origin story with Annihilus as the antagonist. Cross between 616 and Ultimate origins.)

2021

March- Ant-Man 2 (Whirlwind as villain)

May - Guardians of the Galaxy: Annihilation (Annihilus as villain)

July - Spider-Man: Venom

November - Thor: The Dark Gods

2022

Captain America: Two Americas

May - Inhumans 2

July - Captain Marvel: Live Kree or Die

November - Black Panther :Gorilla Warfare (Shanna the She-Devil co-stars to fight the poaching Man Ape)

2023

March - War Machine: Dragon Seed

May - Mighty Avengers: Atlantis Attacks

July - Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage

November - West Coast Avengers: Kang Dynasty


And yes, this would only be possible if Annihilus and Kang reverted to Marvel. I'd also tease Doctor Doom after the credits of Fantastic Four, Black Panther and Mighty Avengers to set him up for Phase 5. He'd also get a mention in Fantastic Four as the frontrunner for the Nobel Prize in physics after his breakthroughs in AI research which is controversial as he's the ruler of Latveria and he's Reed's competition. After Reed decides to hijack the shuttle after one of his crew gets sick (Doctor Whitman) and puts Johnny in his missing crew member's place, he opens a wormhole to the negative zone and shoots cosmic rays through it just to see how they're affected when they enter and then come back... except Johnny has no idea what he's doing the ruins the mission for everyone. And then Annihilus comes aboard as a stowaway. Think Apollo 13 meets Alien with the shuttle not only damaged but the crew having to cope with newfound powers and fight off an alien invader before they can safely return to Earth while. Ben also finds an extra-large space suit on the shuttle after transforming so he doesn't have to wander around named. The first post-credits scene would involve Annihilus returning to our universe again, except this time he's hovering above Hala and he has reinforcements. The second scene shows Reed accepting his Nobel Prize while Doom looks on angrily from behind a monitor in a lab filled with machines.

Doom would next show up at the end of Black Panther in a post-credits scene where he's shown meeting with T'Challa deep within Doomstadt.

Finally, we see Doom again at the end of Mighty Avengers when Namor is shown as a hero for defeating Attuma and the newest Avenger despite wreaking havoc across the surface world in the 1st Act with Eastern Europe being the site of a massive tsunami. Doom vows to stop the Avengers for daring to allow Namor to join them, no matter the cost.

Oh and Phase 5 is going to be Dark Reign so expect to see storylines like Black Panther: Enemy of the State, Iron Man: World's Most Wanted, Captain Marvel: War of the Marvels, Thor: Gods and Men, Spider-Man: The Night Gwen Stacy Died and Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt. It's a world where Norman Osborn and Victor Von Doom have taken over, the heroes are hunted and Asgard now hovers above Earth. All of which was Kang's backup plan in the case of his death as reality hasn't retruend to normal all culminating in West Cost Avengers: Disassembled and Mighty Avengers: Siege as Doctor Doom drives Scarlet Witch to madness and the Green Goblin decides to take over Asgard.

 

[Surfer]

Well, people said the same thing about Daredevil too, and look how fast Marvel made a Netflix series for it. Same thing with Spider-Man. If F4's rights are reverted back to Marvel, they may not wait until Phase 4 to start doing something with the First Family and their rich roster of villains and universe.

Personally, with Fantastic Four I would prefer to wait until phase 4 if it returns to Marvel, as I don't feel they are as suited for Netflix as all their Marvel properties are dark. So Fantastic Four really doesn't fit well there and I really don't want the other Marvel movies delayed so they can try and squeeze in the movie. I agree with the other user though that they can introduce the Silver Surfer and Galactus in Infinity War part 1 or 2.

At least that is what I would like to see.

Surfer

 

[Val_Zod]

http://collider.com/august-box-office-predictions-2015/#the-gift

Collider article in which they discuss August Releases. The part I took away was their opening weekend projection at 45m. I remember before most outlets went with 49m to 55m, so they are going even lower, just as the release approaches. Not a good look.

One part I found "cute" was them claiming F4 looks more appealing than The Amazing Spiderman. I'd hardly agree. While I'm not too fond of TASM, atleast Spiderman looked and acted in places. Plus the leads atleast tried to bring their A game, whereas most of the 4 leads look like they phoned in their performance. Plus this reboots colors are predominantly gray and brown, whereas TASM had more blue. I'd say blue is a more aesthetically pleasing look.

 

[Dasher10]

Personally, with Fantastic Four I would prefer to wait until phase 4 if it returns to Marvel, as I don't feel they are as suited for Netflix as all their Marvel properties are dark. So Fantastic Four really doesn't fit well there and I really don't want the other Marvel movies delayed so they can try and squeeze in the movie. I agree with the other user though that they can introduce the Silver Surfer and Galactus in Infinity War part 1 or 2.

At least that is what I would like to see.

Surfer

There's also the fact that you can't do FF on a TV budget. Thing isn't like Hulk or Ghost Rider where he has a human form to switch back to. He's all CGI, all the time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Liar!

You got me.

 

[The Infernal]

Ghost Rider: SOV is just awful. Even if you look past Cage's bizarre performance and the bizarre choices in special FX, you still have a film with an uninteresting story and other actors who are terrible. Outside of the bizarre FX the quality of the movie feels like it was made for tv at best.

 

[Sony23]

Well, people said the same thing about Daredevil too, and look how fast Marvel made a Netflix series for it. Same thing with Spider-Man. If F4's rights are reverted back to Marvel, they may not wait until Phase 4 to start doing something with the First Family and their rich roster of villains and universe.

Yeah, they might not get a standalone till after Phase 4 started but they could at least introduce them in another film. Maybe Black Panther or at least in a post-credit scene. I really hope Marvel gets them back. This film is a colossal ****-up. How can you get so many things wrong? A Thing that has a protective shell and Sue isn't really invisible? They actually gave Trank money to film this ****!?

 

[The Infernal]

I think talk of a FF/X-men crossover could be because Fox believe FF isn't going to perform well and they need X-men to boost their popularity. That and try to chase Marvel's world building concept.

 

[Val_Zod]

I think talk of a FF/X-men crossover could be because Fox believe FF isn't going to perform well and they need X-men to boost their popularity. That and try to chase Marvel's world building concept.

Though, if its true that Fox needs Marvel's approval for the cross-over, then they may just scrap the idea, as Marvel will try to not let Fox build off of their properties, as they would much prefer having all their IPs under one roof. Fantastic Four for one becomes alot easier to reacquire, as there will be very little in the way of building off that franchise on its own.

 

[Dark Raven]

ABC series for She-Hulk and MS. Marvel which are both rumored

Disney Channel series for Power Pack

ABC Family series for Avengers Academy and Runaways

Netflix series for Black Widow, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Elektra, Thunderbolts, Blade and Hawkeye all but Moon Knight have been rumored

2019

November - Spider-Man: The Death of Jean DeWolff

November - Thor: The Dark Gods


November - West Coast Avengers: Kang Dynasty

Where has it been rumoured about She-Hulk for ABC, or Black Widow and Hawkeye for Netflix?

The Death of Jean DeWolff sounds like a boring title, even if the plot of the film is about that.

And Thor: The Dark Gods sounds too similar to the Dark World.

Maybe Joan Collins can star in Kang Dynasty as Kang's ex wife.

 

[Web-Head]

Marvel could easily release a Fantastic 4 film in 2020.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think talk of a FF/X-men crossover could be because Fox believe FF isn't going to perform well and they need X-men to boost their popularity. That and try to chase Marvel's world building concept.

The talk has been going on even before they started making the movie

I don't see them doing any world building but more dimensional travel if they do get a chance to cross them over and I don't see much you can do in terms of world building with the X-Men and the fantastic four

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I still don't believe that Fox are even allowed to do a crossover.

 

[MadVillainy]

Marvel could release a FF film in 2020...I still say, if this is the bad film it looks like, that they should wait a little longer than that.

I know Marvel brand is strong, but give FF some chance to breathe and recover


as far as the crossover. I'll believe it's coming out opening day when people are going into the theaters

 

[Farren]

As I said before, and this is a direct quote, "Rarely are films of this size critically well received," he said. "This is not a movie we're going to go on (review website) Rotten Tomatoes and it's going to be at 80 or 90 per cent."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...he-final-film-yet---and-its-out-in-a-few-days

Teller's PR for this film continues to be a mess I see.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh it's going to be interesting to see what the critical and audience reception are. Will it be poor, mixed or good? We figure out in mere days.

 

[Surfer]

Though, if its true that Fox needs Marvel's approval for the cross-over, then they may just scrap the idea, as Marvel will try to not let Fox build off of their properties, as they would much prefer having all their IPs under one roof. Fantastic Four for one becomes alot easier to reacquire, as there will be very little in the way of building off that franchise on its own.

I still don't believe that Fox are even allowed to do a crossover.

I think that the only reason why some people think a crossover might be possible with Fox is

1. Because Fox is touting it as possible
2. Because of the Scene where Reed Becomes Wolverine. However, I believe it was a deleted scene if I remember correctly, which if correct could suggest that Marvel put a stop to it. Link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Rd8x4z-e0

However, even if it was part of the film, one could debate that back then Marvel didn't care if Fox stepped over the line a little with their contract, but now you can bet they will hold them to it.

Surfer

 

[Zarex]

Though its extremely unlikely that FOX has the ability to merge two distinct licensing agreements into one mega-contract without the consent of the IP owner, the constant teasing by Millar, Kinberg and Singer has done its job. The ideas that Singer mentioned in his onscreen Q&A was reported as an inevitable crossover by dozens of web sites. So now FOX has its own "Mini MCU" without having to invest any cash into making it a reality.

 

[Urich Leeds]

There's also the fact that you can't do FF on a TV budget. Thing isn't like Hulk or Ghost Rider where he has a human form to switch back to. He's all CGI, all the time.

Implying Thing can't be done practically. But I see you're point.

 

[Endeavor]

I read the guys review on AICN.
I can usually smell BS a mile away, and I think this guy is legit.
Sounds almost as bad as I thought it would.
I only hope enough ppl hear it so that this crap doesn't even reach 20 mil this weekend.

 

[Raiden]

I still don't believe that Fox are even allowed to do a crossover.

Me either. I doubt Fox can do anything that's not in the original contract. This is why they can't make an X-Men TV show.

 

[Krystal]

The review that guy posted on the unnamed site.........

So he reviewed the movie months ago as a rough cut and it was then running 2 hours and he gives it a 3.7/5 ?????? LOL

So he thought it was worthy of a 3.7, but the studio then cuts at least 20+ minutes OUT OF IT and goes back for multiple reshoots?

If the movie was anywhere near a 3.7/5 rating would it have needed so much work and trimming and reshoots?

And if it was 3.7 back then and they (presumably) improved it--by that logic it's now better than a 3.7 !!

Except the lead actor doesn't seem to think so and is downplaying expectations in a big way.

That review is bogus or he was giving them the "kid gloves" treatment in his review.
There's no way that movie was that good BEFORE they decided to massively alter it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The review that guy posted on the unnamed site.........

So he reviewed the movie months ago as a rough cut and it was then running 2 hours and he gives it a 3.7/5 ?????? LOL

So he thought it was worthy of a 3.7, but the studio then cuts at least 20+ minutes OUT OF IT and goes back for multiple reshoots?

If the movie was anywhere near a 3.7/5 rating would it have needed so much work and trimming and reshoots?

And if it was 3.7 back then and they (presumably) improved it--by that logic it's now better than a 3.7 !!

Except the lead actor doesn't seem to think so and is downplaying expectations in a big way.

That review is bogus or he was giving them the "kid gloves" treatment in his review.
There's no way that movie was that good BEFORE they decided to massively alter it.

Even if he definitely saw it, his personal opinion and rating don't mean much. Two different people can both see the same film and one could give it 1 star while the other gives it 5, so you really need a sampling of ratings before they become meaningful.

But one point to make is that we haven't yet seen one purported review that actually offered detail and praised the film. I'm a little surprised we haven't seen any of those 'leaked' by people who work for Fox yet. I would have expected the first reviews we saw that offered detail would have been very positive because they'd be coming from people who work for or whose relatives work for Fox.