The film as a religious parable/analysis thread!

I don't think forgiveness is only a religious point of view, not in the slightest; religion is one of those things I rarely even think about except from in class; and I should really know by now that bringing up religion on a high-traffic message board is a bad idea- but that said, thanks for the comments, guys. :)
 
No I'm not seeing it as a bad discussion it's just that to point out something like that for a movie such as this, that involved a church scene with a man seeking forgiveness and a man fighting his inner darkness...It's very easy to see where the discussion would come from.
 
Buddy, shut the hell up. Good and evil represent ALL stories. God vs satan.

You cant pull religion out of everything buddy.

"That chicken was tasted Good, but the rice tasted Bad. Therefore rice is the devils food!"

"I have been having GOOD bowel movements lately, but the other day I had BAD diarrhea. Therefore diarrhea is the work of the devil."

"White represents cleanliness, which is next to godliness, therefore anything white is loved by god."

With your kind of thinking, anything that represents a challenge is an obstacle put their by the devil in his "master plan" to keep you from Jesus. In which case, scoring a touchdown, a hole-in-one, or a grand slam is considered being with Jesus.

I got news for you, Jesus died a long time ago, twice. His next sequel is in the making, apparently, but you dont need to sub in EVERYTHING with good and evil representing god and satan.

1st of all, you must of not read the post, because its not all about good vs evil. It has a lot of other religious things in it. It does boil down to good Vs Evil, but its the other things that makes it seem religious. 2nd, your a complete idiot. If your gonna criticize something, know what your talking about. Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. He never died again. he descended into Heaven and said he would return. 3rd, if you think its a bunch of crap, then leave it alone. Anyone who actually knows about Christianity knows it makes alot of sense.
 
I utterly love analysis of movies (film studies student :p) so I thought I'd start a thread to discuss such things. I don't think there's been one yet, at least.

I really hope I don't sound too stupid, but anyway. Chime in with your own thoughts. Analyse anything!

On religion

I think there's more religious themes and imagery going on then I'm spotting, but I know there's something going on. Considering that the main themes of the film are forgiveness and redemption, after all...

So I'm going to really go out on a limb here and say that the film could easily be viewed as a religious parable, if the viewer wanted to see it that way. Like so:

Virtually everyone in the film has done something they need forgiving for- by the middle of the film, Peter's essentially killed someone, MJ's betrayed Peter's trust (by kissing Harry), Harry's tried to kill Peter, Eddie's lied, and you all know the Sandman story. Between them they've pretty much got all seven sins covered- MJ is envious of Peter, Harry's full of wrath, Eddie's nothing if not greedy, Peter's giving into pride. Etc.

And most of the characters want revenge. May says 'revenge makes you ugly'- through seeking revenge, Harry's had half his face burnt off, Flint appears in the final battle as a less-then-appealing giant sand monster, and Eddie has become a hideous slimy monster. For all the people complaining about Venom not having much screentime, I think it's because he's more of a metaphor in the film. As has been pointed out in at least one interview, Eddie is essentially what Peter would have been if he had been brought up in a less secure environment. In the movie, I reckon Eddie's a representation of Peter's dark side; the exact polar opposite of him. Peter's a good person at heart and so can throw off the symboite; Eddie's the sort of person who would pray to God to kill somebody, and the symboite turns him into a murderous monster. (which could almost be looked at as a punishment from God: be careful what you wish for and all that.) The symboite itself represents evil: the ultimate ugliness of revenge...

Anyway. Peter goes to church to rid himself of the evil and suceeds (although not without a struggle), but then Eddie, who refuses to believe he's done anything to require forgiveness and shifts the blame onto others (the sin of pride) gives into his own dark side.

Love is a part of religion, or at least it should be, and that's what motivates the others. MJ stands by Peter even after he's betrayed her too (by humiliating her in public- exactly what Venom said he'd do to Peter, come to think of it), and Harry goes to save Peter after being reminded that his friends love him. (If you really wanted to go crazy with analysis, you could say Norman represents the Devil: he tried to tempt Peter back in the first movie and has spent two movies trying to tempt Harry into murder). Sandman's love for his daughter is what redeems him.

Peter defeats the villain in the end because a) someone sacrifices themselves for him and b) because he remembers what he learnt in church (that sound affects the symboite badly, in case you've forgotten ;) ). Can't get more religious then that, really.


Anyway. I'm done now. Please, someone say something. :p


i think its the same thing, im a christian, i should know.

i think they made the symbiote like the devil, once Peter gave into it he felt stronger, and had more 'confidence'.
but at the end he came to realise what the symbiote (sin) was doing to him and that it took him way to far because he back-handed the woman he loved, so he had to 'rip free' of it(imo sounds like being saved).

i thought it made the movie better anyways....kinda like how starwars, the matrix, LOTR trilogy, and E.T. had a religious base
 
I'd just like to point out what I said about SR was not that it wasn't needed but it came off as pretentious and preachy and insulting, kind of like Neo in Matrix Revolutions. In Spider-Man 2 it was just there and while obvious was not lecturing to the audience, I don't think.
 
who the **** cares if the movie is a religious parable cant anyone just watch a movie and enjoy it anymore without picking it apart and making judgements

Excuse us if we view film as an art form. :whatever:
 
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Hey, see if you can find any religious implications in this...;)
 
I don't have the link, but I think it was a SHH! interview with Raimi in which he said that religious undertones were not intended. He said the bell tower was just a nod to comic fans. But I enjoy reading the interpretations anyway...
 
The reason the film is so disapponting is exactly because there are some deep (imo) ideas in it:

Venom - Peter parkers inner demons. can only confront hem once he turns to the light (gets rid of the symbiote). The fight with venom is an almost redemptive one (the fact that venom has kidnapped MJ, who PP mistreated whilst influenced by the symbiote, underlines that)

Sandman - almost indestructable - can't be deafeated, in the same way Parker can't change his past (his actions under the symbiote, the death of uncle ben), instead just has to come to terms with them and forgive them

Osborne - represents parkers own guilt (he killed Norman, or was at least responsible, to an extent for his death). Also parallels Parker ability to forgive (eventually)
 
Great first post by the way. If onyl they had put a bit more effort into the script, and any of the leads actors had any passion for the film, it would have rocked
 
1st of all, you must of not read the post, because its not all about good vs evil. It has a lot of other religious things in it. It does boil down to good Vs Evil, but its the other things that makes it seem religious. 2nd, your a complete idiot. If your gonna criticize something, know what your talking about. Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. He never died again. he descended into Heaven and said he would return. 3rd, if you think its a bunch of crap, then leave it alone. Anyone who actually knows about Christianity knows it makes alot of sense.


Yes Christianity makes alot of sense, a man can walk on water. An invisible disembodied being can impregnate a women. Which if i know Christianity is technically problematic because shouldnt you only have children under wedlock? God and Mary werent married to my knowledge, because marriage can only occur with a man and a woman. God isnt a man. Jesus technically would be a bastard. Jesus can die and rise from the dead. Which technically makes him a zombie. Jesus told the jews they were the chosen people, so if that holds true either God lied or Christianity is pointless. Yep, It makes alot of sense.
 
Yes Christianity makes alot of sense, a man can walk on water. An invisible disembodied being can impregnate a women. Which if i know Christianity is technically problematic because shouldnt you only have children under wedlock? God and Mary werent married to my knowledge, because marriage can only occur with a man and a woman. God isnt a man. Jesus technically would be a bastard. Jesus can die and rise from the dead. Which technically makes him a zombie. Jesus told the jews they were the chosen people, so if that holds true either God lied or Christianity is pointless. Yep, It makes alot of sense.


Yawn ^:whatever:
 
wow i really like this thread.. differences in opinion of course, and i respect them as well :)

i do like the metaphors , kinda like what someone said earlier, black spidey killin sandman with water, kinda like washin away his sins.
or how venom ( who pretty much represents evil) cant stand the bell sounds at church.... its very interesting,, I AM A CHRISTIAN, and yes the similites are definitely there..


very nice thread :)
 
It's too much to expect people to be polite on a religious thread when people have wars about it in real life.
 
Yes Christianity makes alot of sense, a man can walk on water. An invisible disembodied being can impregnate a women. Which if i know Christianity is technically problematic because shouldnt you only have children under wedlock? God and Mary werent married to my knowledge, because marriage can only occur with a man and a woman. God isnt a man. Jesus technically would be a bastard. Jesus can die and rise from the dead. Which technically makes him a zombie. Jesus told the jews they were the chosen people, so if that holds true either God lied or Christianity is pointless. Yep, It makes alot of sense.

Jesus was born of a virigin which means God and Mary didn't have sex, which means that all that crap about not under wedlock and crap was just a ******ed way to waste your time. And he did tell the jews they were the choosen people, but he also gave everyone free will and the jews used their free will in not believing Jesus was the son of god. yeah... you just got owned
 
Jesus was born of a virigin which means God and Mary didn't have sex, which means that all that crap about not under wedlock and crap was just a ******ed way to waste your time. And he did tell the jews they were the choosen people, but he also gave everyone free will and the jews used their free will in not believing Jesus was the son of god. yeah... you just got owned


:word: ^

Peep this out...

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movieDetail.cfm/i/01ED9B6C-9C48-52C2-7E1096D7CA281F5B/a/4


:spidey:
:supes:
 
Can't we all just agree that Carnage clearly is a direct parallel of Muhammad.
 
Jesus was born of a virigin which means God and Mary didn't have sex, which means that all that crap about not under wedlock and crap was just a ******ed way to waste your time. And he did tell the jews they were the choosen people, but he also gave everyone free will and the jews used their free will in not believing Jesus was the son of god. yeah... you just got owned


You really got me man. I mean I stated that God and Mary had a kid, not that they had sex. Which still makes Jesus a bastard, God and Mary had a kid out of wedlock no matter how you want to put it. So he told the jews they are the chosen people but also gave people free will. Your point on free will and Jesus is very compelling, but because of the trials and tribulation the jews undertook in Egypt God promised them his place as his people, so that kinda makes accepting Jesus moot, your making God to look that of a Liar.He is supposedly all knowing so cant he see these out comes? You didnt touch my point on Jesus being a Zombie. And by Zombie im not describing someone who wants to eat brains. Look at classical definitions. You did nothing to show you have any grasp of what I was trying to relay. I was not attempting to insult christianity just the part of the post that claimed christianity makes perfect sense, which you prove it does not. Im not gunna say you got owned, because im not so looking to point to myself with self adulation. I appreciate you trying to contend with me, but you fail.:heart:
 
Can we quit arguing about religion. I'm very religious but I now starting an argument over it can turn out bad. I do agree with sarahs original post though. People could view this movie in a religious way.
 
Can we quit arguing about religion. I'm very religious but I now starting an argument over it can turn out bad. I do agree with sarahs original post though. People could view this movie in a religious way.


Hey toxin, good of you to try and make peace. Ill get back to the point if others want to aswell. Only reason I got off track was not to argue wtih Weezer but the part of the post from the other person who assumed someone elses point of view wrong due to Christianity making perfect sense. I dont think any religon makes perfect sense. And no one should put their religon on these boards as the trump card.

back to the point of topic as i stated I did see Venom as a Jesus like figure. The symbiote represented Peters sins, Brock took his "Sins" upon himself , and had be destroyed for these sins. Therefore Brock died for Peters Sins. :sym:
 
You really got me man. I mean I stated that God and Mary had a kid, not that they had sex. Which still makes Jesus a bastard, God and Mary had a kid out of wedlock no matter how you want to put it. So he told the jews they are the chosen people but also gave people free will. Your point on free will and Jesus is very compelling, but because of the trials and tribulation the jews undertook in Egypt God promised them his place as his people, so that kinda makes accepting Jesus moot, your making God to look that of a Liar.He is supposedly all knowing so cant he see these out comes? You didnt touch my point on Jesus being a Zombie. And by Zombie im not describing someone who wants to eat brains. Look at classical definitions. You did nothing to show you have any grasp of what I was trying to relay. I was not attempting to insult christianity just the part of the post that claimed christianity makes perfect sense, which you prove it does not. Im not gunna say you got owned, because im not so looking to point to myself with self adulation. I appreciate you trying to contend with me, but you fail.:heart:

My gut instinct wants to call you an idiot but I won't... Reason being is your total lack of respect and True
knowledge of what Christianity is... and what Christians believe and know.
God is (described as) a Heavenly Father....A "Father" in it's original meaning is "The Head of the Household"
God Is Spirit...God did not have to marry Mary For her to have a Child...God did not Manifest in the flesh
to have sex with her either...God proved His power (authority) and performed what is called "a miracle ".
He blessed Mary with a child conceived by the Spirit of God....I don't expect you to understand this because you are not spiritually inclined or discerning....It's all foolishness to you..I know.


Egypt God promised them his place as his people, so that kinda makes accepting Jesus moot, your making God to look that of a Liar.He is supposedly all knowing so cant he see these out comes?

This makes no sense...^

You didnt touch my point on Jesus being a Zombie. And by Zombie im not describing someone who wants to eat brains. Look at classical definitions.

??? Silly... LOL!!!
Truth be told WE are the Zombies...Not Christ Jesus...We are the ones dead in our trespasses and sins.
Jesus lived a sinless life....We don't and can't. We are the living dead.
He the living Christ walked amongst the dead and showed compassion to us.

I was not attempting to insult christianity

Ha!...LOL!!!

Back on the point....There are Christian allegories in Spider-man3
like it or not.

:spidey:
:supes:

Peep this out...

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movieD...D7CA281F5B/a/4


Peace in the middle east.

One love:word:
 
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My gut instinct wants to call you an idiot but I won't... Reason being is your total lack of respect and True
knowledge of what Christianity is... and what Christians believe and know.
God is (described as) a Heavenly Father....A "Father" in it's original meaning is "The Head of the Household"
God Is Spirit...God did not have to marry Mary For her to have a Child...God did not Manifest in the flesh
to have sex with her either...God proved His power (authority) and performed what is called "a miracle ".
He blessed Mary with a child conceived by the Spirit of God....I don't expect you to understand this because you are not spiritually inclined or discerning....It's all foolishness to you..I know.




This makes know sense...^



??? Silly... LOL!!!
Truth be told WE are the Zombies...Not Christ Jesus...We are the ones dead in our trespasses and sins.
Jesus lived a sinless life....We don't and can't. We are the living dead.
He the living Christ walked amongst the dead and showed compassion to us.



Ha!...LOL!!!

Back on the point....There are Christian allegories in Spider-man3
like it or not.

:spidey:
:supes:

Peep this out...

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movieD...D7CA281F5B/a/4


Peace in the middle east.

One love:word:


Truth be told my first inclination isn't to call you an idiot, but rather someone who lacks proper understanding of what has been said. In no point did any of your replies to me contradict what i said, but rather were dogmatic dribble. I am done arguing these points of contention. I will think what I think as someone who understands both religon and philosphy better than what you will give me credit for, and you and your flock will hold your truths close to your dying days because it is what you have been made to believe and hold true. I respect your convictions, and you are entitled to them. I have lists of flaws in religons i can bring up, but the one value I have to be reminded of for myself is an age old internet saying. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win your still ******ed.

:sym:
 
Truth be told my first inclination isn't to call you an idiot, but rather someone who lacks proper understanding of what has been said. In no point did any of your replies to me contradict what i said, but rather were dogmatic dribble. I am done arguing these points of contention. I will think what I think as someone who understands both religon and philosphy better than what you will give me credit for, and you and your flock will hold your truths close to your dying days because it is what you have been made to believe and hold true. I respect your convictions, and you are entitled to them. I have lists of flaws in religons i can bring up, but the one value I have to be reminded of for myself is an age old internet saying. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win your still ******ed.

:sym:

That's deep....:whatever:
 

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