Putting the Pieces Together: Harry Osborn's Role in Spider-Man 3

[The Shape]

captain stacy will live. his death would not logcally fit into the story of SM3.

 

[spyderman2k4]

Honestly, no...wait yes I am!

awe geeze guys, I haven't seen it yet! There's a reason I'm not goin into the x-men forums till I get around to seeing it!

 

[shigsy2003]

New Hype! member here, though I have been lurking for quite some time. I've been keeping up with all the Spidey 3 news, but I may have missed some things, so if there is anything confirmed that contradicts my theory, let me know.

After seeing Spider-Man 2, the thing that interested me most was how the Goblin Legacy was going to play out in the 3rd film. The prevailing theory right now seems to indicate that Harry will indeed take up his father's mantle. He has a showdown with Pete in an alley, is injured and goes into a coma, which causes him to forget much of what has transpired. At the end of the film, while Spidey dukes it out with Sandman and Venom at a construction site, MJ convinces Harry to don the Goblin gear and help Peter. He does so, and dies heroically. A perfectly satisfying conclusion to the Osborn storyline that fits the characterization and plot development of the first two films, it seems.

However, I think things may very well play out quite differently. We've heard repeatedly that Peter is going to have to battle personal demons revolving around the symbiote in this film, and I think Raimi may be planning to use Harry's death to add to this. We've recently seen pictures of a funeral, and both Peter and Captain Stacy are there. This is almost certainly Harry's funeral, but I think Captain Stacy's presence may be an important clue. The way I see it, Captain Stacy is a goner in this film. He could very well die at the very end of the film, after Harry's heroic death, but this does not make much sense, as his death plays a major role in the character development of Gwen. I think it is far more likely that he dies somewhere between one-third and two-thirds of the way through the film, which places Harry's funeral at roughly the halfway mark.

Here is how I think it will go down. Peter has a confrontation with Harry outside the theater after seeing MJ's new play (like those photos that show Harry getting into a car with a sour look on his face while Pete looks on in the background). This confrontation leads to a battle between Spidey and the new Goblin in the alleyway. Peter is going all out, knowing that Harry will kill him, but makes a grevious miscalculation which causes Peter to inadvertently kill Harry. You see, I think Harry does not take the Goblin formula. After finding his dad's Goblin stash at the end of the second film, Harry does his homework, and discovers that the Goblin formula lead to his father's insanity. Harry's characterization so far shows him as a man who respects his father, but does not want to become him. For this reason, and also due to a healthy dose of pride and vanity, Harry decides not to take the Goblin formula, thinking he can take out Peter with the glider and pumpkin bombs alone. During the alley confrontation, Peter thinks he is fighting a Harry who is high on Goblin juice, and therefore doesn't hold back. He is wrong, and kills his best friend.

Peter is understandably devastated by what has happened, and of course he attends the funeral, along with the new police Captain who has befriended Spidey and helped at the scene of the alley fight after the battle was over. Meanwhile, a man named Flint Marko is involved in a horrible accident at a beach, and he turns to a life of crime. Shortly after the funeral, Spidey helps people when a meteorite smashes into the earth just outside the city, and later discovers that something has followed him home...which, combined with Harry's tragic death, leads Peter down a dark road that may change his life forever.

Well, what do you think? Plausible, or laughable? Perhaps the clues we have so far have lead you to a different conclusion? Use this thread to discuss Harry's role in the film.

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Wow I have to say I like this. If this were to happen I would definitley be happy. Good job

 

[Carnotaur3]

captain stacy will live. his death would not logcally fit into the story of SM3.

I agree. It's just too much.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Just weird how we were all certain Stacy would die... but here he is at the end of the film... maybe that's why he wasn't mentioned too much in the Q & A...

 

[Cmill216]

Just weird how we were all certain Stacy would die... but here he is at the end of the film... maybe that's why he wasn't mentioned too much in the Q & A...

How do we know it's the end of the film?

 

[FaT_tONle]

How do we know it's the end of the film?

Figured you know where I stood... I'm thinking its Harry.. no doubt in my mind...

 

[CoolAsICE]

YES!! Harry will die saving Spider-man's ass!

End of discussion.

 

[FaT_tONle]

YES!! Harry will die saving Spider-man's ass!

End of discussion.

Sorry "Death of Gwen Stacy arc" fans... keep living in denial though...

 

[TromaFreak64]

Harry will more than likely be the one who helps to save the day...the first two films have a theme that Raimi likes to incorporate in the comic realm, that none of these villians are horrible, terrible people, and they have redeeming values. Harry obviously will be the most redeeming of all, and likely will die saving Peter Parker or aiding him in defeating one of their other villians that he must face.

It seems clear based on the plot structure of the previous two films that this is what they want us to expect because it represents the messages of the films.

 

[GoldGoblin]

interesting theory. but i still believe harry will die at the end of the film as a hero, based on the numerous plot leaks, the funeral scene, and the Q&A.

^Exactly.

 

[Pagrebo]

An interesting idea, and it's great to see a n00b who actually creates an original and thought provoking thread and can write in complete sentences.

Alright, so here's my problem with it. While this is ultimately a "story about a girl", there also is the story of two friends. It has been a complex story of ups-and-downs, and in your proposal, it ends with Harry basically getting squished like a bug. Very unsatisfying, IMO.

Maybe Harry redeems himself, maybe not. But there has to be a greater twist to how this part of the story concludes. Harry already is crazy(he's conversing with his dead father) and he is an alcoholic. Ultimately, I think he must take the performance enhancing serum. It takes him to his goal(albeit in a twisted way) of "being half the man my father is." Once he attains that level, Harry will decide what course he takes. Good or evil? That's what we'll all discover next year.

If the funeral pictures are Harry's, and you have a high ranking police officer such as Capt. Stacy attending, chances are it's a hero's funeral. Think about it. That may be the greatest clue of all... if it is Harry's funeral, of course.

 

[ISHMAEL]

New Hype! member here, though I have been lurking for quite some time. I've been keeping up with all the Spidey 3 news, but I may have missed some things, so if there is anything confirmed that contradicts my theory, let me know.

After seeing Spider-Man 2, the thing that interested me most was how the Goblin Legacy was going to play out in the 3rd film. The prevailing theory right now seems to indicate that Harry will indeed take up his father's mantle. He has a showdown with Pete in an alley, is injured and goes into a coma, which causes him to forget much of what has transpired. At the end of the film, while Spidey dukes it out with Sandman and Venom at a construction site, MJ convinces Harry to don the Goblin gear and help Peter. He does so, and dies heroically. A perfectly satisfying conclusion to the Osborn storyline that fits the characterization and plot development of the first two films, it seems.

However, I think things may very well play out quite differently. We've heard repeatedly that Peter is going to have to battle personal demons revolving around the symbiote in this film, and I think Raimi may be planning to use Harry's death to add to this. We've recently seen pictures of a funeral, and both Peter and Captain Stacy are there. This is almost certainly Harry's funeral, but I think Captain Stacy's presence may be an important clue. The way I see it, Captain Stacy is a goner in this film. He could very well die at the very end of the film, after Harry's heroic death, but this does not make much sense, as his death plays a major role in the character development of Gwen. I think it is far more likely that he dies somewhere between one-third and two-thirds of the way through the film, which places Harry's funeral at roughly the halfway mark.

Here is how I think it will go down. Peter has a confrontation with Harry outside the theater after seeing MJ's new play (like those photos that show Harry getting into a car with a sour look on his face while Pete looks on in the background). This confrontation leads to a battle between Spidey and the new Goblin in the alleyway. Peter is going all out, knowing that Harry will kill him, but makes a grevious miscalculation which causes Peter to inadvertently kill Harry. You see, I think Harry does not take the Goblin formula. After finding his dad's Goblin stash at the end of the second film, Harry does his homework, and discovers that the Goblin formula lead to his father's insanity. Harry's characterization so far shows him as a man who respects his father, but does not want to become him. For this reason, and also due to a healthy dose of pride and vanity, Harry decides not to take the Goblin formula, thinking he can take out Peter with the glider and pumpkin bombs alone. During the alley confrontation, Peter thinks he is fighting a Harry who is high on Goblin juice, and therefore doesn't hold back. He is wrong, and kills his best friend.

Peter is understandably devastated by what has happened, and of course he attends the funeral, along with the new police Captain who has befriended Spidey and helped at the scene of the alley fight after the battle was over. Meanwhile, a man named Flint Marko is involved in a horrible accident at a beach, and he turns to a life of crime. Shortly after the funeral, Spidey helps people when a meteorite smashes into the earth just outside the city, and later discovers that something has followed him home...which, combined with Harry's tragic death, leads Peter down a dark road that may change his life forever.

Well, what do you think? Plausible, or laughable? Perhaps the clues we have so far have lead you to a different conclusion? Use this thread to discuss Harry's role in the film.

harry shouldnt die that quick into the movie

 

[CrypticOne]

New Hype! member here, though I have been lurking for quite some time. I've been keeping up with all the Spidey 3 news, but I may have missed some things, so if there is anything confirmed that contradicts my theory, let me know.

After seeing Spider-Man 2, the thing that interested me most was how the Goblin Legacy was going to play out in the 3rd film. The prevailing theory right now seems to indicate that Harry will indeed take up his father's mantle. He has a showdown with Pete in an alley, is injured and goes into a coma, which causes him to forget much of what has transpired. At the end of the film, while Spidey dukes it out with Sandman and Venom at a construction site, MJ convinces Harry to don the Goblin gear and help Peter. He does so, and dies heroically. A perfectly satisfying conclusion to the Osborn storyline that fits the characterization and plot development of the first two films, it seems.

However, I think things may very well play out quite differently. We've heard repeatedly that Peter is going to have to battle personal demons revolving around the symbiote in this film, and I think Raimi may be planning to use Harry's death to add to this. We've recently seen pictures of a funeral, and both Peter and Captain Stacy are there. This is almost certainly Harry's funeral, but I think Captain Stacy's presence may be an important clue. The way I see it, Captain Stacy is a goner in this film. He could very well die at the very end of the film, after Harry's heroic death, but this does not make much sense, as his death plays a major role in the character development of Gwen. I think it is far more likely that he dies somewhere between one-third and two-thirds of the way through the film, which places Harry's funeral at roughly the halfway mark.

Here is how I think it will go down. Peter has a confrontation with Harry outside the theater after seeing MJ's new play (like those photos that show Harry getting into a car with a sour look on his face while Pete looks on in the background). This confrontation leads to a battle between Spidey and the new Goblin in the alleyway. Peter is going all out, knowing that Harry will kill him, but makes a grevious miscalculation which causes Peter to inadvertently kill Harry. You see, I think Harry does not take the Goblin formula. After finding his dad's Goblin stash at the end of the second film, Harry does his homework, and discovers that the Goblin formula lead to his father's insanity. Harry's characterization so far shows him as a man who respects his father, but does not want to become him. For this reason, and also due to a healthy dose of pride and vanity, Harry decides not to take the Goblin formula, thinking he can take out Peter with the glider and pumpkin bombs alone. During the alley confrontation, Peter thinks he is fighting a Harry who is high on Goblin juice, and therefore doesn't hold back. He is wrong, and kills his best friend.

Peter is understandably devastated by what has happened, and of course he attends the funeral, along with the new police Captain who has befriended Spidey and helped at the scene of the alley fight after the battle was over. Meanwhile, a man named Flint Marko is involved in a horrible accident at a beach, and he turns to a life of crime. Shortly after the funeral, Spidey helps people when a meteorite smashes into the earth just outside the city, and later discovers that something has followed him home...which, combined with Harry's tragic death, leads Peter down a dark road that may change his life forever.

Well, what do you think? Plausible, or laughable? Perhaps the clues we have so far have lead you to a different conclusion? Use this thread to discuss Harry's role in the film.

I don't know. I'd much rather see Harry save Peters life, and I wouldn't want to see Harry die so early in the film. I think the funeral may be Gwens. But, all in all, your idea is plausible.

 

[ComicKoryn]

From what I've heard, it seems like Harry saves Spiderman's hide when he finds himself cornered. I think that pretty much means Harry's gonna die at the end.

Also, I don't see how it's possible for Harry to combat Spiderman at all without taking the Goblin Serum. Spiderman has abilities that put him well out of the range of a suped up guy in a ski jacket with some bombs, he would have to take the serum to match Spiderman.

 

[Ongie]

I think it'd be great to see Harry get tangled up in drugs like in the comics.
I'd love to see a coked-up Goblin.

 

[Victarion]

captain stacy will live. his death would not logcally fit into the story of SM3.

Logic went out when Dunst was announced as MJ

Seriously though, if Stacy were to bite the big one in 3, he'd have to be developed enough so that we care about his death. Otherwise he's just another cop who dies in the line of duty.

And I was hopping for a Peter versus Harry showdown in the Osborn Mansion. So many little hiding places. Such a cool possiblity. Yet it doesn't look as if it will come to pass.