The Flash The Flash Episode 1x15 - Out of Time

[The Infernal]

I hope Captain Singh will be okay. I kinda like the curmudgeon.

I'd almost forgotten about him in amongst everything else that occurred. He's a character I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of.

I thought it was funny his fiance was de-Maris'd. I'm wondering if we'll see him again or if the moments before Barry went back in time is essentially saying 'this is what things would be like at the end of the show' rather than a glimpse of things going forward.

 

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by SV Fan
I have to agree, it felt like the producers wanted a cheap excuse to tell and do a bunch of things then reverse everything so it's not part of the actual plotline. It's amateurish writing at it's worst. You expect this kind of lazy writing to happen 2 or 3 seasons into a series not so soon. First episode of the series I was disappointed with. I gave it a 3 and thinking about it now I might be to generous.

Says the person whose screen name is SV fan. Oh the irony.

Very fair argument and I would agree Smallville was terrible for time reversals and pointless plot gimmicks(red K) used to try tell a story. If you noticed I said you usually don't do this crap till season 2 or 3, i was specifically thinking of Smallville in this regard. The fact that Smallville was terrible for using cheap crutches to try further some storylines is part of the reason I am so turned off by this style of writing(basically looking for an instant "wow" moment without that moment actually having any importance in the bigger storyline)

I know right? I dunno why he is even still watching this show if he hated the very first episode. I think he likes to keep watching it just to keep coming on here to complain about it. Maybe he should just go back and watch his Smallville.

Where did I say I hated any episode before this? I actually enjoyed the first 14 episodes of the series, this to me is the first dud.

 

[kedrell]

Quite a good episode. 8.5/10

When Barry got all kissy with Iris during a crisis I started to seriously balk at that but at least they kept it real short and managed to make it transition/pay off in a way that made it better with Iris finding out about Barry being the Flash. Though with all the time travel shenanigans that may not stick, nor Cisco's death. Still, very well done and one of the better episodes this season.

 

[allthingsuper]

A lot o how much i appreciate this episode going forward is how the next one will handle the time travel rules. I have a feeling that in this new timeline Mason Bridge will figure out what 'Wells" has been up to. I think well see a version o the scene with Thawne and Cisco, but this time with Bridge and Thawne.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm half expecting Wells/Thawne to find out about Mason and kill him just before he can reveal anything.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Really good. Probably the best yet. But I hope they don't use the time travel to bring back you know who. Too convenient, too predictable. I know, it's pretty much a given.

Still, that revelatory scene in the lab made me realize that I much prefer the cast on Flash over Arrow. With a couple exceptions, more talented and more sympathetic.

 

[Team Andino]

I've really enjoyed the season thus far, but this was the first episode that the final few moments had me on the edge of my seat. Feel like the shows on fire right now, can't wait to see more.

 

[Seb]

Which, without the awkwardness of the date and the live and death situation at the docks won't work the same way... at all. Good times.

The date happened. Barry time travelled to after the date but before he arrived at the morgue and spilled his drink on Singh. So Eddie is jealous and unless Barry does anything about it, Linda will push Iris at work and make her realise how she feels.

However, when Barry went to Caitlin and Cisco, they told him to trust Wells, and that they were sure he wasn't doing anything wrong, so Barry might not feel the need to question them again, so all three will be oblivious to Wells being evil.

Essentially, love triangle advanced, villain reveal stalled.

 

[Silliminite]

Best episode of the season. Best episode of tv I've ever watched. And with that, The Flash also becomes my favourite live-action comic book adaptation of all time. What a show.

 

[Batmannerism]

Best episode of the season. Best episode of tv I've ever watched. And with that, The Flash also becomes my favourite live-action comic book adaptation of all time. What a show.

Big call dude. But it is pretty awesome, definitely the best superhero TV show ever. I would rank this episode and "the Man in the Yellow Suit" as equal for best episodes so far -maybe give Out of Time a slight edge for the scene between Cisco and Wells. I agree, what a show !

 

[HanShotFirst]

Another great episode. The Flash never disappoints. That Cisco/Wells scene was some top-notch acting.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Another great episode. The Flash never disappoints. That Cisco/Wells scene was some top-notch acting.

Cisko's teary eyes made my eyes a little teary.

 

[trd84]

Wish Barry would stop letting bad guys get away so easy. Seriously why couldn't he have spent a fraction of a second to knock the guy out before he checked on Joe. Or chase him down afterward.

 

[Longshot777]

Wow!!!!

Best episode so far and it might not happen at all.

Reverse Flash was revealed!!

Cisco finding out got him killed!!!

Iris finally loves Barry!!

Barry finally revealed to Iris that he's the Flash!!!

Then at the end, all those above may not happen at all!!

 

[TeeKay]

Judging from the promo of the next episode. The events in This episode didn't happen.

 

[JLMHodge]

I'm honestly quite surprised by the amount of people that think Cisco actually died, or that any of the events actually stuck.

 

[mr. peasant]

I'm honestly quite surprised by the amount of people that think Cisco actually died, or that any of the events actually stuck.

Statistically speaking, Cisco will most likely come out alive at the end of the episode, and that most of the other events will be undone. This is what most people expect will happen.

On the flip side, it's because this exact scenario has played out as above so many times that having Cisco fated to die makes for a surprising and emotional twist at the end of the next episode; playing on the expectations of the genre savvy.

 

[The Infernal]

Statistically speaking, Cisco will most likely come out alive at the end of the episode, and that most of the other events will be undone. This is what most people expect will happen.

On the flip side, it's because this exact scenario has played out as above so many times that having Cisco fated to die makes for a surprising and emotional twist at the end of the next episode; playing on the expectations of the genre savvy.

Considering that it's Barry who directly causes Cisco to investigate Dr. Wells, him coming back to before that moment likely means he doesn't repeat that moment therefore unwittingly changing Cisco's fate.

Wow!!!!

Best episode so far and it might not happen at all.

Reverse Flash was revealed!!

Cisco finding out got him killed!!!

Iris finally loves Barry!!

Barry finally revealed to Iris that he's the Flash!!!

Then at the end, all those above may not happen at all!!

Well the audience now know who Reverse Flash/Wells is really a future Thawne and we know Iris deep down loves Barry also. Though both reveals may have been undone in show, Barry at least knows for certain Iris feels the same way. Though I don't know if she'll as readily admit that without a life threatening situation to spur her on. lol

 

[Rowsdower!]

I may be reaching a bit here, but I wonder if Barry's former girlfriend/crush/whatever Becky Cooper was a shoutout to The Wonder Years. On that show, Kevin had two significant girlfriends early on: Winnie Cooper, the girl he pined for throughout the entire show, and Becky Slater, this psychob***h who kicked his ass after he broke up with her. It might not have been intentional, but I wonder if the writers named her that because they are Wonder Years fans.

 

[JackMercy]

Judging from the promo of the next episode. The events in This episode didn't happen.

Yes, they did...

they just got...reversed.

 

[the dmg]

Great episode.

I've been pretty in the dark going into each episode, as I always watch them on delay (DVR) and don't look at plot synopsis' either.

I really didn't expect them to actually use time travel in the current timeline this quickly. I was hoping they would save that for at least season two. They did it, and hopefully it's used sparingly moving forward. Hopefully the execution is done well. I'm wondering if this will follow the butterfly effect like in Back to the Future, or if it will be something along the lines of Terminator 3, where future events will still play out just delaying the inevitable. Most likely it will be the former, but it would be interesting to see if they had the guts to go the other way.

With Cisco, he'll probably be too busy to actually do the tests on the machine, but will he eventually do it and discover Reverse Flash is Wells all over again? Is the article that's about to be published about Wells actually reveal something that blows his cover or will it just cause the team to put their doubts into if he's trustworthy or not?

That scene between Wells and Cisco was like a twisted version of Joe and Barry's usual heartfelt moments. This one was well done by both actors and really made me feel the emotion of that scene.

Honestly, the only real thing that bothered me about the entire episode was Iris. The realization of her being in love with Barry doesn't work for me due to how she seems to be trying to sabotage Barry's current relationship. Like they just happen to be at the bowling alley, and when she wiped his face, I felt bad for both Linda and Eddie since it was a move you see a jealous person do in order to force a breakup. I can't really fault Barry for that because he's unaware, but it comes off as spiteful. I can fault Barry for when he kisses Iris after she tells him her feelings. Yeah, he's the only one who will remember that she confessed to him, but now will he try to break it off with Linda and then sabotage Iris' relationship? Barry doesn't seem like the guy to do that, but then again, I didn't think he would have kissed Iris while in a relationship, even if it was an "in the moment" kind of thing.

That said, the weather effects and the stuff in general looked pretty good.

Side note:
I loved when Barry held the wand for the first time and acted as if it was a lightsaber. I would have done the same thing.

 

[TheBZ]

Having the audience be completely aware of something in the story, but the characters aren't aware of it is called dramatic irony. It's a plot device that been used by writers for a very long time.

First post...Have been lurking since episode 1, but this comment spurred me on. I agree with it 100%. Dramatic irony dates back to Greek tragedy, and is used by many writers - especially when they are dealing with a narrative that has been canonized in one way or the other.

I think the writing for this episode was very good, and has been well beyond anything I have expected for this series.

There are some nitpicky criticisms from some posters, but they always seem to be criticisms of things that are comic book plot conventions. Honestly...I watch these kinds of shows because I want to see those conventions - and I want to see the writers try to subvert them when they can.

Some can and will haggle over love triangles or minutiae for character actions, but what has been great about this series is that the writing shows self-awareness, pacing, and a dedication to exploring dramatic conventions as recurring themes.

Dramatic irony is one...And we are going to see it a lot.

Deus ex machina...Using an outside event or tool or appearance to solve a plot issue is bread and butter for comic book writers and again dates back to greek theatre.

Only in this case, they are exploring it as a theme through Cisco and his creations. In many cases, his tech tools could be the plot solution - science could be the plot solution - but science ends up making things worse. Captain Cold's gun is one example, the particle accelerator is another...but time travel itself may be the biggest example by the time we are done.

The theme that really stuck out tonight was to set two villains side-by-side in the plot line to try to make us draw a distinction. Is Weather Wizard a sociopath or something different? Is Wells a sociopath or something different? They both care(d) for people. Can either of them be written off?

As long as this show keeps exploring these different themes and showing an awareness of how dramatic conventions are used, it is going to be VERY enjoyable for me.

BZ.

 

[Silliminite]

Big call dude. But it is pretty awesome, definitely the best superhero TV show ever. I would rank this episode and "the Man in the Yellow Suit" as equal for best episodes so far -maybe give Out of Time a slight edge for the scene between Cisco and Wells. I agree, what a show !

Yeah, I know it's a big call but I always judge the quality of an episode or film by the effect it has on me, and by the end of this episode I was on the edge of my seat like I've never been before. Agreed about the Cisco death scene, that was intense.

 

[Guard82]

This was a terrific episode. The excitement and intensity were very high, especially in the second half. It left me wanting more.

 

[Cybermaxis]

Is Barry's time travel already having an effect? Above is earlier from the episode and on the bottom is at the end. Note the time (10:00) then notice the girl walking by the dogs barking. She's gone later but there is a crowd of people in the far background that weren't there before. Although I didn't notice any differences with the sign twirler and the girl yelling for a cab. I don't know if this was just a production mistake or punching through space-time had immediate effects.