The Flash The Flash Episode 1x15 - Out of Time

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I disagree. I didn't think there was anything impressive about the performance he gave. Cavanagh carried the scene.



Well, that's the thing: I don't think he has range.



And that's seriously great, but if you can't sell it, then it doesn't mean anything.

For what it's worth, I don't think Valdes is a terrible actor or anything like that. I just think he's naturally better at comedy.

I'd agree he leans to comedy, but I don't see where you thought he couldn't pull it off. Tom's delivery was great too, but it s dramatic impact would be cut to nothing if Valdes hadn't been giving the emotional reaction he had been. It's too bad you didn't enjoy it, because I loved it. Gave me chills.
 
To those complaining about them "undoing" the plot developments, y'all do realize the only reason that stuff all happened this week was because they knew it would be undone?


Totally! There was no way they were going to let Cisco stay dead ! I wonder if Barry will interrupt him before he kills Cisco, or before Cisco makes the discovery (although based on some trailers I've seen, I'm guessing the former, not the latter). Only seen spoilers for this week's episode (we don't get the Flash down here until thursdays, our time), really excited about ti.

A crafty ploy by the writers, man this show is awesome.
 
Totally! There was no way they were going to let Cisco stay dead ! I wonder if Barry will interrupt him before he kills Cisco, or before Cisco makes the discovery (although based on some trailers I've seen, I'm guessing the former, not the latter). Only seen spoilers for this week's episode (we don't get the Flash down here until thursdays, our time), really excited about ti.

A crafty ploy by the writers, man this show is awesome.

We see Wells with them in the Paley trailer when they meet Palmer in episode 18, I'm guessing Wells secret will continue to be a secret until episode 19 or 20.
 
Man that was an amazing episode. I so didn't see that awesomeness coming. Holy sh--. This is the best episode I've seen. I was only enjoying this show to a medium. I enjoyed the two part Flash and Arrow Crossover (Had it only been the first part only, I think it only would have been very mediocre), and the mid-season finale to some extent though had some mishaps I wasn't fond of...like Barry telling Iris his feelings. Seemed to be rushed, and didn't give us enough anticipation. I didn't expect Barry to tell Iris in the first season. Other episode I enjoyed was the return of Cold along with his partner. Flash is revealed finally. The fx of Flash training in the beginning of the episode. Flash finally being revealed to the world was great. I didn't want them to go in the Arrow direction. Like hiding out and being only known as a vigilantee and not sure if he exists kind of way.

Other episodes since have just been kind of filler for me. I enjoyed some bits though like Flash taking on the Harry Potter look-a-like the first round. I can't say I enjoyed the Firestorm arc except for the fight and explosion.

One thing that's kept me interested is the mystery of Nora Allen's murder. The mirror image, and adult Flash's blood. Makes me think though, that's the more developed Flash from the future. I hope we see a glimpse and see him in the more traditional suit.

Only small concern I have is Grodd. Well, two things, one, I hope we don't see him full time later this season, but next season. Don't want to see them introduce all villians in the first season. Save the others for later. Second concern is if we will see enough of his face, or will they do it like Lionel possessed by Darkseid (Smallville)? They couldn't afford motion capture, but a gorilla body suit would work and be magical enough! I'd say they'd go for that!

Reverse-Flash is one of Flash's greatest foes and I hope we see him return in the future of the show. Now he's only been teased and we haven't seen too much of him yet. I hope he's used for more than one purpose than just this first season. So is Grodd. I'm hoping he's Flash's main baddie in season 2.

Problem with Gotham is they've introduced nearly every Batman villian or character in the first season, it has started to become annoying.

What I enjoyed about this episode of Flash was almost every thing. The mysterious other Flash super speeding next to current Flash. That was spooky. Plus the visual effects. The physics look more accurate. Barry's speed. His arms and legs look like they are moving at the right speed. Before it did not look right. In the Arrow crossover part 2 for example, "I need five locations", Barry's background looks visibly fast but the way Gutsin is moving looks normal, like he was a regular person jogging.

This time it looked right. The background was also too out of focus to see. I liked that.

While I didn't like Dr. Wells being revealed so soon, I thought that should have been saved for the finale, but there should be more of a surprise coming I hope. I still liked it. I never liked Cisco that much, he just seemed cheesy and over the top with his nicknames and all that, but was sad to see him die. I was worried and like wtf? he's dead! I was sad.

And the twist. Only one guy that night. Wells was moving so fast making it seem like there were two people. Damn.

For some reason I like the girl Barry is dating only because she helps Barry and Iris get together and knows what they are feeling. Kind of like seeing Eddie get mad about it.

The way Barry and Iris confessed their feelings for each other. I admit, I was deeply touched. Did I just say "deeply"? And revealing himself to Iris as the Flash. But first I thought, wow, this is great but this is only the first season and Iris will already know that Barry is the Flash, plus they will be a couple. So then going back in time Holy sh-- what a twist!

At least Cisco will be alive but Barry won't know about Wells. And Iris? Darn. My question. So Barry doesn't know he can go back in time yet, but how does he do that? We know it is from running super fast. Another question though, will there be two Barry's? He ends up in the same place though which looks like only one now. Would be a twist if there were two.

My theory of how he goes back in time...at the beginning we saw him super speeding and breaking the sound barrier. What if that's how he sets the time? And what if whenever he's ready, he has to go that fast or faster, in this case, where he was on the Harbor trying to stop the tsunami, then boom! right where he created the sonic boom, he goes back in time right back where he was where there was a woman looking for a taxi.

That would be awesome. Wonder how he will stop the tsunami. Dr. Wells seemingly knows how to not go back in time as he's faster than Barry. My concern however is what if by the end of the season, Barry goes back in time to the beginning of the first episode or 15 years ago? Changing everything.
 
Oh their entire relationship is sleazy as all hell and both parties are at fault, but I get on Iris more since I don't find her actress likeable.

You don't like Candice Patton or her acting? Or both?

But yeah, Iris is easily the show's worst character, terrible writing and the acting is ok for the CW, which doesn't say much.



The scene would've carried more weight if Valdes was a more capable dramatic actor. He's much better at comedy (IMO).

I disagree, he did fine, he showed several emotions. What else were you expecting? He even cried because he knew he was going to be killed by someone he respected and cared about. It was one of the best scenes from this season.



Oh, you know something is wrong with the show when people are rooting for characters or pairings that weren't on the producer's original designs. Heck, you'll probably find a bigger shipper group out there for Barry and Caitlin than Barry and Iris.haha

After what happened with Laurel & Oliver, the producers should've learned their lesson, but no, they had to ruin Iris & Barry too. :cmad:

These shows would be so much better on cable or Netflix, Daredevil is going to be what Gotham should've been (tone wise).
 
You don't like Candice Patton or her acting? Or both?

But yeah, Iris is easily the show's worst character, terrible writing and the acting is ok for the CW, which doesn't say much.

Her acting. She seems like a nice person, maybe she's good in other things, but she's not good here.
 
Good ep..but sad that everything will be un-done especially the stuff with Iris.
 
Spectacular episode, unquestionably the best of the series. Harrison Wells revealing himself was a moment I had simultaneously anticipated and dreaded, because it would break up the Wells-Cisco-Caitlin-Barry family. I can say that it did not disappoint. Wells is so cold and sinister that watching him murder Cisco was frightening. I was on the edge of my seat from the moment that Wells saw Caitlin check her watch.

Barry travelling back in time was completely unexpected. I actually thought the final scene was a flashback for the longest time and was becoming annoyed. You could've knocked me over with a feather once I realized what had happened. Time travel normally bugs me in shows because it's so confusing but I'll trust the writers. At least Barry suspecting the truth about Wells while the others don't ought to be interesting.

I hope Captain Singh will be okay. I kinda like the curmudgeon.

The only sour note, as others have pointed out, was sounded by Barry and Iris. Absolutely nothing about that scene made sense so I can't imagine what the writers were thinking. I "loved" their idea to kiss while Joe was in terrible danger. :whatever: Thankfully, Barry travelling back in time can retcon that moment.
 
I actually found that thing with Barry and Iris kinda realistic cause it's a lot more common than people may think. In moments of peril and danger people cling to love ones in embrace both as realization and emotional defense mechanism. It could be their last moment with those people. So I didn't think it was far out there. Love can be corny like that.
 
All this stuff of Barry revealing his secret to Iris and Wells being revealed as the Eobard Thawne may be reset, but I think they will pan this out through future seasons. I wonder if Wells will return for the 2nd season.

I hope the producers and writers don't lose sight of the fact that they're still in the first season.
 
I actually found that thing with Barry and Iris kinda realistic cause it's a lot more common than people may think. In moments of peril and danger people cling to love ones in embrace both as realization and emotional defense mechanism. It could be their last moment with those people. So I didn't think it was far out there. Love can be corny like that.

Yeah, Iris thought they were about to die and Barry didn't know if he would be able to stop the tsunami or not. They both knew it might be the last time they ever see each other or anyone else ever again.
 
All this stuff of Barry revealing his secret to Iris and Wells being revealed as the Eobard Thawne may be reset, but I think they will pan this out through future seasons. I wonder if Wells will return for the 2nd season.

I hope the producers and writers don't lose sight of the fact that they're still in the first season.

I expect everything that happened this episode to be revealed by the end, we know they'll all find out about Wells, but I highly doubt they'd pull a Smallville and drag out Iris getting together with Barry and finding out he's the Flash for multiple seasons. With a character like the Flash there are too many stories for them to work on adapting for them to drag out these storylines that long. And Wells/Eobard Thawne will almost certainly return, even if he dies at the end of the season, we have yet to see his first encounter with the Flash which will happen some time after this season.
 
I expect everything that happened this episode to be revealed by the end, we know they'll all find out about Wells, but I highly doubt they'd pull a Smallville and drag out Iris getting together with Barry and finding out he's the Flash for multiple seasons. With a character like the Flash there are too many stories for them to work on adapting for them to drag out these storylines that long.

End of the next episode or end of season?

Put together the pilot with Man In The Yellow Suit, Out of Time, and Rogue Time and they all connect like a movie.
 
End of the next episode or end of season?

Put together the pilot with Man In The Yellow Suit, Out of Time, and Rogue Time and they all connect like a movie.

End of season, we know Wells won't be officially outed as RF until either the very end of episode 18 or later. I suspect the Iris storyline may be resolved sooner. I am curious about episode 16 though, wonder how they'll fit Barry resolving the Weather Wizard situation in a different manner that accidentally prevents the events that caused Cisco and Caitlin to find out about Wells in with a Captain Cold/Heat Wave/Golden Glider episode, next episode is gonna be just as jam packed as this one was.
 
End of season, we know Wells won't be officially outed as RF until either the very end of episode 18 or later. I suspect the Iris storyline may be resolved sooner.

Yeah, episode 18 is where we get Atom and Felicity.

The sooner, the better with Iris storyline.
 
Yeah, episode 18 is where we get Atom and Felicity.

The sooner, the better with Iris storyline.

The tension between Barry and Eddie seems to kick into gear next episode, so I'm guessing something happens between Barry and Iris in 16.
 
The tension between Barry and Eddie seems to kick into gear next episode, so I'm guessing something happens between Barry and Iris in 16.

I wonder when that tension happens in the next episode either the middle or in the end. We could be seeing the beginnings of the Allen/ Thawne rivalry than will span to the 25th Century.
 
I actually found that thing with Barry and Iris kinda realistic cause it's a lot more common than people may think. In moments of peril and danger people cling to love ones in embrace both as realization and emotional defense mechanism. It could be their last moment with those people. So I didn't think it was far out there. Love can be corny like that.

I think the complaint has been more about the way Iris behaved during the entire episode as opposed to the feelings reveal. The feelings reveal wasn't too far out given how heavy handed the writers were with the idea of Iris being jealous because she had feelings for Barry. There was zero subtly, so it wasn't all that surprising that they revealed their feelings, given the circumstances.
 
I'd agree he leans to comedy, but I don't see where you thought he couldn't pull it off.

I didn't find his expressions or delivery to be appropriately convincing. I was very much aware that I was watching an actor do what he's paid to do.

Tom's delivery was great too, but it s dramatic impact would be cut to nothing if Valdes hadn't been giving the emotional reaction he had been.

Cavanagh is (arguably) the best actor on the show. He's more than capable of carrying a scene by himself.

I disagree, he did fine, he showed several emotions. What else were you expecting? He even cried because he knew he was going to be killed by someone he respected and cared about. It was one of the best scenes from this season.

Not in my opinion.

And to answer your question, I wasn't expecting much at all from Valdes. He's fine, but he's hardly a master of his craft.
 
That was incredible, cannot get over the ending of that episode, just wow!
 
The tension between Barry and Eddie seems to kick into gear next episode, so I'm guessing something happens between Barry and Iris in 16.

Seeing that Barry now knows that Iris really does feel the same way about him, as he does about her, in the alternate timeline Barry may make a move on Iris before she reveals her feelings to him as it originally happened….
 
Can someone explain the principle used when Barry went back in time, please?
I watched all of the Doctor Who episodes, no trouble, but this somehow confused me.
What happens to the past Barry who the current Barry saw while going back?

Great episode btw, loved every second of it.
 
A theory: The Flash CW show has been showing us a rebooted timeline. The original timeline matches the comics. Barry Allen, a CSI, is struck by lightning and becomes The Flash. He fights villains...marries Iris...all the comic stuff happened.
Then in the future Eobard goes back in time to kill Barry but kills his mom instead. This creates a divergent timeline. Barry's dad is blamed and put in jail...Barry moves in with Joe and him and Iris become like brother and sister...Eobard is stuck in the past and needs Barry to become the Flash to generate the speed force...so he creates the particle accelerator and triggers the accident that created The Flash earlier than it was supposed to.

just my thoughts...

I would definitely be on board for it if that's the route that they go with.

Heck, if they have a scene with Wells explaining all of this in full detail to Barry, I would prefer if they have it mixed with a flashback sequence showing us glimpses of what the "Original/Prime" timeline was like.
 
Seeing that Barry now knows that Iris really does feel the same way about him, as he does about her, in the alternate timeline Barry may make a move on Iris before she reveals her feelings to him as it originally happened….

Which, without the awkwardness of the date and the live and death situation at the docks won't work the same way... at all. Good times. :D
 

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