The Flash The Flash Episode 1x15 - Out of Time

[Herolee10]

Iris sucks. The amount of her in this episode really holds it back and every time she was on screen, I was cringing. She really brings down this show.

If Iris could go back in time, I would have her form a league with Laurel from "Season 2" and Barbara from "Gotham".

They could call themselves: "The Misery that loves Company"

 

[vantheman77]

I agree wholeheartedly. This is almost as bad as when they had Clark (In "Smallville") being okay with breaking Lana and Lex up on the day of their wedding, especially when he was under the assumption that she was pregnant with Lex's child. So not only would he have been okay with ending a engaged couple but separating a child from his birth father.

And yeah, both Barry and Iris were really made out to look bad in this episode. I wonder if the producers who are in charge of "Arrow" and "Flash" suffer from some form of twisted relationship logic because nearly all of the relationships that they've presented in their shows have had a "Dr. Phil" element to it.lol

I mean neither Eddie or Linda have been presented as being bad people, let alone to give Iris or Barry a reason to not be loyal to them. And yet, they have no problem in cheating on them both, let alone neglecting them to suit their own needs.

The legacy of Smallville lives on in the Flash.

I'm betting on the next episode to retcon that stuff between Barry and Iris.

 

[Boy Scout]

I agree wholeheartedly. This is almost as bad as when they had Clark (In "Smallville") being okay with breaking Lana and Lex up on the day of their wedding, especially when he was under the assumption that she was pregnant with Lex's child. So not only would he have been okay with ending a engaged couple but separating a child from his birth father.

Yeah, SV was...yeah.

And yeah, both Barry and Iris were really made out to look bad in this episode. I wonder if the producers who are in charge of "Arrow" and "Flash" suffer from some form of twisted relationship logic because nearly all of the relationships that they've presented in their shows have had a "Dr. Phil" element to it.lol

From what I've been hearing recently, Gotham is no better. It's both funny and a little sad.

I mean neither Eddie or Linda have been presented as being bad people, let alone to give Iris or Barry a reason to not be loyal to them. And yet, they have no problem in cheating on them both, let alone neglecting them to suit their own needs.

And they did it after insisting that there was nothing going on between them.

Iris sucks. The amount of her in this episode really holds it back and every time she was on screen, I was cringing. She really brings down this show.

I don't get why people are criticizing Iris, but not Barry. He's no better than she.

 

[Herolee10]

The legacy of Smallville lives on in the Flash.

I'm betting on the next episode to retcon that stuff between Barry and Iris.

lol; you know, if the hatred between the Allens and Thawnes (assuming if they go down that comic book-based route) is a result of Eddie having felt (rightfully) cheated by Barry and Iris, then Wells's creation and potential beef with Barry Allen, as a result of his family's legacy, is all on Barry's and Iris's cheating shoulders.lol

I wonder though...if Eddie were killed off, then does that mean that Wells would no longer exist?

 

[vantheman77]

lol; you know, if the hatred between the Allens and Thawnes (assuming if they go down that comic book-based route) is a result of Eddie having felt (rightfully) cheated by Barry and Iris, then Wells's creation and potential beef with Barry Allen, as a result of his family's legacy, is all on Barry's and Iris's cheating shoulders.lol

I wonder though...if Eddie were killed off, then does that mean that Wells would no longer exist?

You know we could see the beginnings of the Allen/ Thawne rivalry.

Actually it could assuming Eddie will have no children.

One other problem with this episode was how Joe was written on this episode. You would have thought he had more brains to not confront Weather Wizard alone.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't get why people are criticizing Iris, but not Barry. He's no better than she.

I think Barry needs to stop hanging out with Oliver. He's picking up all of his bad relationship habits. haha

Felicity was right on the mark when she called him a "lovable idiot". He has a all around great personality, but when it comes to matters involving Iris...he's more dumber than logic behind Oliver's survival from Ra's blade and Malcolm's views as of Season 3.lol

Linda is freaking gorgeous and she comes off as a fun person to hang out with. And Barry, it's not often that you'll meet a woman like that who's willing to go out on a "home run" with you on the second date.haha

 

[Snow Queen]

I don't get why people are criticizing Iris, but not Barry. He's no better than she.

Oh their entire relationship is sleazy as all hell and both parties are at fault, but I get on Iris more since I don't find her actress likeable.

If Iris could go back in time, I would have her form a league with Laurel from "Season 2" and Barbara from "Gotham".

They could call themselves: "The Misery that loves Company"

 

[Snow Queen]

I think Barry needs to stop hanging out with Oliver. He's picking up all of his bad relationship habits. haha

Felicity was right on the mark when she called him a "lovable idiot". He has a all around great personality, but when it comes to matters involving Iris...he's more dumber than logic behind Oliver's survival from Ra's blade and Malcolm's views as of Season 3.lol

Linda is freaking gorgeous and she comes off as a fun person to hang out with. And Barry, it's not often that you'll meet a woman like that who's willing to go out on a "home run" with you on the second date.haha

Speaking of Felicity, she needs to come onto Flash and we need to dumb Iris. Those two were a fun couple.

 

[Frodo]

I just really don't understand what the writers are thinking with Iris. I was pretty stunned with the way they had her acting. I was giving her character the benefit of the doubt with the last episode , but this time she was just cruel and unlikable.

I mean, there is an archetype of the kinda selfish, spoiled girl, with a heart of gold ala Scarlett O'Hara and Glenda in Wicked . At first I thought maybe that's what they were trying to go for, but its like the writers are tone deaf.

I never read the comics or have seen her in other media , so you guys have to tell me, is this what the Iris West character is?

 

[Boy Scout]

Oh their entire relationship is sleazy as all hell and both parties are at fault, but I get on Iris more since I don't find her actress likeable.

I personally haven't had any major issues with Iris or Patton until today.

 

[Herolee10]

Speaking of Felicity, she needs to come onto Flash and we need to dumb Iris. Those two were a fun couple.

At this point, I'd rather ship Barry with Thea.lol

Oh, you know something is wrong with the show when people are rooting for characters or pairings that weren't on the producer's original designs. Heck, you'll probably find a bigger shipper group out there for Barry and Caitlin than Barry and Iris.haha

By the way, when it comes to time traveling, so did Barry just pull a "Days of Future Past" and swap his future/present day conscious with his past body?

Because I thought episode 1 established that a person could time travel and be present in a timeline where a younger version of themselves already exist.

 

[spiderman2]

Iris sucks. The amount of her in this episode really holds it back and every time she was on screen, I was cringing. She really brings down this show.

She is by far the worst part of this show and if you compare lana on smallville when it comes to the first season of the show iris has been way worse then lana was in season 1. Now when it comes to some another things in smallville like marring lex in season 6 and such was worse season 1 she wasn't even close to has bad has iris has been in season 1.

 

[vantheman77]

I just really don't understand what the writers are thinking with Iris. I was pretty stunned with the way they had her acting. I was giving her character the benefit of the doubt with the last episode , but this time she was just cruel and unlikable.

I mean, there is an archetype of the kinda selfish, spoiled girl, with a heart of gold ala Scarlett O'Hara and Glenda in Wicked . At first I thought maybe that's what they were trying to go for, but its like the writers are tone deaf.

I never read the comics or have seen her in other media , so you guys have to tell me, is this what the Iris West character is?

Iris was never one to cheat on Barry in the comics and she loved him no matter what. They got the reporter aspect down, but everything else on the show isn't like the comics such as living with him when they were young.

 

[Snow Queen]

I personally haven't had any major issues with Iris or Patton until today.

I didn't dislike her at the start, but she's just grown more and more irritating for me.

 

[Herolee10]

I just really don't understand what the writers are thinking with Iris. I was pretty stunned with the way they had her acting. I was giving her character the benefit of the doubt with the last episode , but this time she was just cruel and unlikable.

I mean, there is an archetype of the kinda selfish, spoiled girl, with a heart of gold ala Scarlett O'Hara and Glenda in Wicked . At first I thought maybe that's what they were trying to go for, but its like the writers are tone deaf.

I never read the comics or have seen her in other media , so you guys have to tell me, is this what the Iris West character is?

It was actually kind of weird on how Patton just described in (in a recent interview) on how Iris essentially loves both Eddie and Barry, but in different ways... lamenting on how Eddie is the guy that any girl would want while Barry is someone that Iris doesn't want to lose as well.

Jeez, if any of the posters here were allowed to speak with her, they'd probably just go.."Why can't you just say that she's cheating on her boyfriend and that she wants to have them both?".lol

But yeah, Barry is certainly no saint in this as well. If Barry was just single, then he'd only come off as a idiot. The fact that he's technically spoken for by Linda, makes him a *****e idiot.lol

Plus, I don't get on why they had Barry going through such great lengths to keep Linda from leaving him 2 episodes (chili pepper) and having him tell Iris (in a confident way) that he no longer feels for Iris only to backtrack with this episode.

 

[Boy Scout]

Because reasons and drama.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, on another note... with confirmation that Wells is indeed from the future, let's see what supposedly never happened or was never revealed for him to know in his "timeline":

1. It seems like Captain Cold never existed in his timeline, because he would have been ready for someone like Captain Cold when Snart first came into having the gun in his possession.

2. Oliver's identity as "Green Arrow" apparently never became public knowledge, or at least accessible, for Wells to have known...otherwise he wouldn't have bothered asking Felicity for it.

3. So far, it seems like none of the meta humans that we've met are beings that Wells are familiar with from historic records.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I didn't think either character came off as particularly likable. They both behaved inappropriately at the bowling alley and then straight up cheated on their significant others when they should've been trying to rescue Joe.

That's the worst part about it. It made no sense whatsoever in the context of what they were there to do.

 

[Seb]

Well, on another note... with confirmation that Wells is indeed from the future, let's see what supposedly never happened or was never revealed for him to know in his "timeline":

1. It seems like Captain Cold never existed in his timeline, because he would have been ready for someone like Captain Cold when Snart first came into having the gun in his possession.

2. Oliver's identity as "Green Arrow" apparently never became public knowledge, or at least accessible, for Wells to have known...otherwise he wouldn't have bothered asking Felicity for it.

3. So far, it seems like none of the meta humans that we've met are beings that Wells are familiar with from historic records.

Well, with all three it could just be a matter of time. How much do you know about history from 500 years ago? Also, with Felicity, I just assumed he already knew and wanted to see if she'd tell him.

 

[Seb]

The whole Iris Barry thing is ick. Them wasting time kissing was also dumb as well as dickish. I have to agree with everyone commenting on how messed up the CW writers are when it comes to relationships. Actually, that's not fair, I mean the Flarrow writers, because one thing that Vampire Diaries does well (that Flarrow should try taking note of) is allowing couples that don't work to fail and split and then just not get back together (you know, like real life). Trying to force it is irritating.

And yeah, both Barry and Iris were really made out to look bad in this episode. I wonder if the producers who are in charge of "Arrow" and "Flash" suffer from some form of twisted relationship logic because nearly all of the relationships that they've presented in their shows have had a "Dr. Phil" element to it.lol

From what I've been hearing recently, Gotham is no better. It's both funny and a little sad.

I've seen a couple of people compare Barbara/Jim being compared to the messes that are Oliver/Laurel and Barry/Iris, but I'm still firmly on Gotham's side on this: Barbara and Jim are meant to be a mess together, it's why he cheats on her and she leaves him. The show is just foreshadowing their failed marriage and why it's a terrible idea.

 

[BattleCat]

Great episode, but it kinda sucks knowing all of this will be for nothing lol.

 

[Herolee10]

The whole Iris Barry thing is ick. Them wasting time kissing was also dumb as well as dickish. I have to agree with everyone commenting on how messed up the CW writers are when it comes to relationships. Actually, that's not fair, I mean the Flarrow writers, because one thing that Vampire Diaries does well (that Flarrow should try taking note of) is allowing couples that don't work to fail and split and then just not get back together (you know, like real life). Trying to force it is irritating.



I've seen a couple of people compare Barbara/Jim being compared to the messes that are Oliver/Laurel and Barry/Iris, but I'm still firmly on Gotham's side on this: Barbara and Jim are meant to be a mess together, it's why he cheats on her and she leaves him. The show is just foreshadowing their failed marriage and why it's a terrible idea.

Well, when you put the Barbara and Gordon thing in that perspective, it makes sense.

And honestly, I could even tolerate the messes that have come about for Oliver and Laurel since those two have always had a rocky relationship in the comics.

It's how they've handled Barry and Iris that really irks me since Barry and Iris are supposed to be like Clark and Lois, in some ways.

Not only is it bad enough that they're technically foster brother and sister, but they're having them blatantly cheat on their present partners, without a care in the world about consequences.

It's almost as if the writers don't want people to root for their given pairings.

And yeah, the writers for these shows (Arrow and Flash) are pretty messed up when it comes to how they handle romance in these shows...

1. Robert cheated on Moira several times (apparently, with one of them being young enough to be his own daughter herself), with Moira having cheated on him once with Malcolm (Robert's Best Friend), which resulted in the birth of Thea.

2. Oliver cheats on Laurel with her younger sister.

3. Diggs had a thing with his sister-in-law.

4. Barry is in love with Iris, his foster sister, who apparently reciprocates his feelings as well. This being the tip of the iceberg as both are currently involved with someone else, with Iris living with her boyfriend who has expressed the desire for them to potentially get married someday.

5. Ray was essentially stalking Felicity at the start of their "relationship" before they eventually hooked up with each other.

 

[bane]

Can someone tell me the name of the song during the bowling scene?

 

[TeeKay]

This episode!

Cisco.

That scene was incredibly sad. The way he was crying and knowing he was going to get killed. Damn! This is the best show on television IMO.

I'm not really familiar with Flash comics, so does Barry now have the speed force since he broke the time barrier?

 

[Herolee10]

I'm not really familiar with Flash comics, so does Barry now have the speed force since he broke the time barrier?

Unless I'm mistaken, I think Barry's always had the speed force (at least, from the moment that he had received his powers from the lightning bolt). It was just a matter of how much he was able to tap into it, which is why Wells wanted him to keep pushing his limits since the more faster that he can go, the more speed force he can acquire in order to pull off stunts like time traveling.