The Flash The Flash Episode 1x15 - Out of Time

[KillerMcQueen]

HOLY. F***ing. S***.

This show, holy crap this show is just too awesome. All these people whining about retcons need to get over it, Flash involves time travel, which inherently involves retcons, it's how those retcons are executed with that matters. And this show has given me total confidence in their ability to pull it off. Especially after this episode.

 

[DrCosmic]

I have to agree, it felt like the producers wanted a cheap excuse to tell and do a bunch of things then reverse everything so it's not part of the actual plotline. It's amateurish writing at it's worst

They did... I give them a lot of credit though. Not only did they foreshadow it very well by talking about time travel and really just marking the moment of return, but they used reveals that are still meaningful both to the audience, as well as to Barry. Plus... it was just awesome.

 

[SV Fan]

This show, holy crap this show is just too awesome. All these people whining about retcons need to get over it, Flash involves time travel, which inherently involves retcons, it's how those retcons are executed with that matters. And this show has given me total confidence in their ability to pull it off. Especially after this episode.

Here is the problem you can only play the time reversal card so many times before it comes a bad crutch for the show and I don't see anything in this episode that was time reversal worthy.

1. Weather Wizard - they could have easily wrote a plot to stop him without time reversal involved

2. Cisco's Death - is the show going to elaborate on this plot of Cisco investigating Dr Wells in the future, or was this the "payoff". If it's the payoff it's a failure, if it's not a payoff was it really any use to have this time reversal plot?

3. Barry/Iris - this seemed to come out of nowhere, but hey since we are reversing time might as well have her find out his secret and have them kiss all while explaining her feelings. Pointless shipper crap

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Here is the problem you can only play the time reversal card so many times before it comes a bad crutch for the show and I don't see anything in this episode that was time reversal worthy.

1. Weather Wizard - they could have easily wrote a plot to stop hm without time reversal involved

2. Cisco's Death - is the show going to elaborate on this plot of Cisco investigating Dr Wells in the future, or was this the "payoff". If it's the payoff it's a failure, if it's not a payoff was it really any use to have this time reversal plot?

3. Barry/Iris - this seemed to come out of nowhere, but hey since we are reversing time might as well have her find out his secret and have them kiss all while explaining her feelings. Pointless shipper crap

Seriously? This is the first f***ing time they've done time travel, get a grip.

 

[SV Fan]

Seriously? This is the first f***ing time they've done time travel, get a grip.

It cheapens it the next time you want to use it and as I said I didn't see anything in this episode that was really worthy of using such a moment. it just felt like a bunch of stuff the producers wanted to tell us but couldn't find better ways to tells us, so instead they just do everything then have a time reversal like nothing ever happened.

If they wanted to do an episode about time travel have it be about time traveling only. Don't add all this extra crap that are cheap short cuts for the producers to try tell storylines that aren't related to time travel.

 

[Dr. Remy Lebeau]

This was hands down the best episode of not only this show, but all three seasons of Arrow.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

It cheapens it the next time you want to use it

We'll see about that when they next use time travel, kinda moot atm, since by that logic we'd just complain about it no matter when they decided to use time travel.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

People love to *****

 

[Broseph44]

Here is the problem you can only play the time reversal card so many times before it comes a bad crutch for the show and I don't see anything in this episode that was time reversal worthy.

1. Weather Wizard - they could have easily wrote a plot to stop him without time reversal involved

2. Cisco's Death - is the show going to elaborate on this plot of Cisco investigating Dr Wells in the future, or was this the "payoff". If it's the payoff it's a failure, if it's not a payoff was it really any use to have this time reversal plot?

3. Barry/Iris - this seemed to come out of nowhere, but hey since we are reversing time might as well have her find out his secret and have them kiss all while explaining her feelings. Pointless shipper crap

It cheapens it the next time you want to use it and as I said I didn't see anything in this episode that was really worthy of using such a moment. it just felt like a bunch of stuff the producers wanted to tell us but couldn't find better ways to tells us, so instead they just do everything then have a time reversal like nothing ever happened.

If they wanted to do an episode about time travel have it be about time traveling only. Don't add all this extra crap that are cheap short cuts for the producers to try tell storylines that aren't related to time travel.

Oh brother

 

[Thoix]

Oh wow. THIS SHOW!

 

[Frodo]

Well, clearly some people liked it, and some people didn't. Its not that a big a deal. Its a forum, not a quire. That said, I love the time travel stuff. I'm into the concept of ultimate time lines , butterfly effects, and time travel so I think the way the ended the episode was great.

 

[Herolee10]

So really the only big question left is finding out on what (if there is one) the "unaltered timeline" was like prior to Wells time traveling into the past.

I mean there had to have been a timeline, the one that Wells grew up from, where Barry's mom wasn't killed by him...unless they're going for a Terminator-like Time paradox thing.

 

[Seb]

I loved this episode, though the feels were a bit muted for me because they telegraphed time-travel really hard at the start, so from the moment Barry saw himself and they focused on obvious time travel markers like the lady hailing the taxi I was like 'well, nothing from here on is permanent.' I kinda wish they could have had the time travel be more of a surprise so that I could have actually felt the feels that they wanted me to feel, rather than just thinking 'Oh, he's paralysed? Good thing this isn't real. Oh, he's dead? Guess I won't see him until next week.' However, giving us as the audience a decent bit of background on Wells/Thawne was cool, otherwise, I'm mostly just looking forward to seeing the coold ways that Barry acts now that he has foreknowledge of events (e.g. not spilling his drink all over Singh)

I also don't think that anyone whining about retcons understands what a retcon is. A retcon is retroactive continuity, a time travel story where they knew what was going to be changed going in is not a retcon since there is no retroactive behaviour, it was all clearly written to not be in continuity going in.

I have to admit, Barry is beginning to badly suffer from plot over intelligence when facing bad guys and failing to take them out. Thing is, the second time he had to save, Singh, giving Mardon the time to escape, however the first time, in the car, they should have injured Barry and had him speed healing while Mardon escaped, instead of just cutting away with no explanation.

I have to say, most of my complaints are thought through post show, so I did enjoy it more that I might seem to while I actually watched it. Just saying, this won't be half as enjoyable on a second viewing.

P.S. I'm really glad this episode got delayed and we didn't have to wait for the conclusion over the hiatus as I assume was initially planned.

 

[LostSon88]

People love to *****

Indeed.

 

[souNdwAve89]

Definitely one of the best episodes, along with the midseason episode, so far.

 

[Frodo]

So really the only big question left is finding out on what (if there is one) the "unaltered timeline" was like prior to Wells time traveling into the past.

I mean there had to have been a timeline, the one that Wells grew up from, where Barry's mom wasn't killed by him...unless they're going for a Terminator-like Time paradox thing.

I think we're gonna find its more along the line of the Star Trek reboot from 2009. In that Erica Bana's character basically created a new and separate timeline from the original film and tv series. In other words, there is still a timeline of the Barry Allen(prime) who's married to Iris, who's fought the Reverse Flash on several occasions , and who went back in time to stop Reverse Flash, but failed.

This timeline is a separate timeline in which Wells is now stuck in. In this new timeline Wells has to basically create and train the Flash in a different yet accelerated way then Flash Prime was created.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Marty McFlash!

Even though the ending resets the episode it was tough seeing Joe in that situation, and Cisco's reactions in the scene where Wells revealed who he is before nobbling his jam tart.

 

[spiderman2]

No. After Thawne killed Cisco, he remarked that, relative to him, Cisco had already been dead for centuries.

I am confused what he meant by that line.

 

[Snow Queen]

I am confused what he meant by that line.

Wells is from centuries in the future, Cisco is already dead when/where he comes from.

 

[Boy Scout]

Basically how I feel, but then that's basically how I feel about the whole show. It ranges from average to really good but it's never come close to the amount of love others seem to give it, for me at least.

Same.

I think everybody knows how I feel about the series by now, though, so I try not to articulate those feelings too often. I never want to be "that guy".

I'm beginning think the writers don't want us to like Iris , because they're going out of their way to make her unlikable. The writers really aren't doing her character any favors, and I really feel for Eddie and Linda.

I didn't think either character came off as particularly likable. They both behaved inappropriately at the bowling alley and then straight up cheated on their significant others when they should've been trying to rescue Joe.

On a related note: Gustin and Patton have no romantic chemistry whatsoever. Watching them kiss is like watching paint dry.

And finally: did anyone else think it was weird that whoever wrote the episode decided to point out (more than once) that Barry and Iris are basically brother and sister? Their situation/history never bothered me until today.

That said, Wells, Cisco, Time Travel, Weather Wizard, was first rate, and I can't wait to see what happens next. So while parts of the episode were amazing, other parts were really getting on my nerves.

The Weather Wizard was a pretty decent villain up until he tried to destroy the city (even while he was still, you know, in it). He had no legitimate motivation to do it.

The Thawne/Cisco scene was only as good as it was because of Cavanagh. I like Valdes as much as the next guy, but he certainly wasn't hired for his dramatic acting.

 

[Herolee10]

I think we're gonna find its more along the line of the Star Trek reboot from 2009. In that Erica Bana's character basically created a new and separate timeline from the original film and tv series. In other words, there is still a timeline of the Barry Allen(prime) who's married to Iris, who's fought the Reverse Flash on several occasions , and who went back in time to stop Reverse Flash, but failed.

This timeline is a separate timeline in which Wells is now stuck in. In this new timeline Wells has to basically create and train the Flash in a different yet accelerated way then Flash Prime was created.

It would be interesting if they indeed took that route. I wonder what Wells's motivation is in wanting to kill Barry from the start. It doesn't seem like he has a personal vendetta against him, at least... not by his conversations with his computer.

And I'm curious if the reason why Barry disappeared in 2024 is because of having used time travel as well.

 

[vantheman77]

Gotta admit, I'm not the biggest fan of how they're going about doing the romance between Barry and Iris. At least have them both be "technically" single before having them act on their feelings for each other. I've never been keen on the idea of a couple getting together as a result of cheating on someone else, especially when the people that they're cheating on are good people.

I mean Linda and Eddie come off as good people and their insecurities are actually well placed. Barry and Iris are the only ones that really come off as the bad ones in this scenario.

I hated Iris in this episode. Whatever the writers' intentions were, it came across as how you described it perfectly. How it comes across onscreen is what counts.

 

[spiderman2]

Wells is from centuries in the future, Cisco is already dead when/where he comes from.

Oh I see. I am still kind of confused about how he becomes what he is and why he wants to kill barry.

 

[Herolee10]

I didn't think either character came off as particularly likable. They both behaved inappropriately at the bowling alley and then straight up cheated on their significant others when they should've been trying to rescue Joe.

On a related note: Gustin and Patton have no romantic chemistry whatsoever. Watching them kiss is like watching paint dry.

And finally: did anyone else think it was weird that whoever wrote the episode decided to point out (more than once) that Barry and Iris are basically brother and sister? Their situation/history never bothered me until today.

I agree wholeheartedly. This is almost as bad as when they had Clark (In "Smallville") being okay with breaking Lana and Lex up on the day of their wedding, especially when he was under the assumption that she was pregnant with Lex's child. So not only would he have been okay with ending a engaged couple but separating a child from his birth father.

And yeah, both Barry and Iris were really made out to look bad in this episode. I wonder if the producers who are in charge of "Arrow" and "Flash" suffer from some form of twisted relationship logic because nearly all of the relationships that they've presented in their shows have had a "Dr. Phil" element to it.lol

I mean neither Eddie or Linda have been presented as being bad people, let alone to give Iris or Barry a reason to not be loyal to them. And yet, they have no problem in cheating on them both, let alone neglecting them to suit their own needs.

 

[Snow Queen]

Iris sucks. The amount of her in this episode really holds it back and every time she was on screen, I was cringing. She really brings down this show.