The Flash The Flash Season 1, Episode 22 "Rogue Air" General Discussion

[The Sarge]

This felt like two episodes jammed into one. Good episodes, but disjointed when slammed together.
I have a love/hate feel for the Captain cold stuff. I like what they're going for, but the Barry trusting him stuff is sloppy. Why do they need cold? Because he has a cold gun. One that Cisco has built, and has demonstrated he has no problem building again in what appears to be a handful of hours at most. The fact that this was designed to stop speedsters, and they never seem to think of using it against Zoom, is a whole other thing.
Still, it all feels so classic. Meeting captain cold at a seedy bar while "Cold as ice" plays on a Jukebox! You just know this is where we'll likely see the rogues gathering in the future.
The effects in the rogue fight were all really well done. The effects in this show continue to amaze me. Weather wizards lightening and tornadoes all looked fantastic, and Nimbus turning into smoke somehow works (sometimes more than others).
Peek-a-boo continues to break her own rules, teleporting to places out of sight, like around corners. I imagine she should have a quick popping effect like Johnny Royale.
The Reverse flash fight had some cool moments, like the suit from the ring, and the final full reveal of Tom Cavanaugh in the costume. Some of the choreography was terrible when it was Zoom vs. Arrow. Too shakey, close up, and choppy. That might have to do with the limits of television though.
The Amell cousins showed up very unexpectedly, and of course there was some pre-planning for fighting the most powerful villain in existence- and that should've been this show. Arrow and Firestorm have never even met before this. Having a second trap, and watching the set up, knowing he's failed before.
Of course, the most important thing, is everything on screen was as entertaining as hell.

 

[zenith16]

I know, I feel the same. I feel like this version of Barry is bit too OOC (probably because it’s only Season 1) from canon Barry who is more like the character Eddie, Rick even looks like him too. Grant pulls off the emotional side (scenes with Henry/Joe all home runs) of his character great, but I admit I did think his naivety to trusting a criminal (albeit non-violent but still) like Snart was silly. It’s typical in a hero’s pov but it was kind of callow of the writers to go there. I agree he has a lot to learn as does the actor, he’s the lead, so he’s going to find his footing with the character and become more assured of himself like Charlie/Matt or Stephen/Oliver.

I think having him be more advanced would raise eyebrows yes, but having him develop a bit of a CSI persona, even in outsmarting some criminals wouldn’t hurt either. I don’t watch much Arrow, only what I saw so far in Season 3, so I can’t comment. Only seen a handful of episodes. I heard from people who watch Arrow and Flash that Oliver in Season 1 was a completely different person than he is now. In that he was just putting arrows in people without just cause, along with the cynicism and angst.

I think the writers are putting this out there just to lay the ground work for his future discipline. Barry is impulsive, like Oliver said in the first crossover (Flash vs Arrow). He doesn’t think before a conflict (though in last night’s episode he was better and had a plan) so he wound up getting his butt handed to him in several episodes. I loved Barry stating that to RF and the battle scene. It was a great episode and the character has come a long way.

I was thinking alot about this last night after I posted I think the issue here is that barry is not only trusting it's also he has no experience with dealing with criminal's compared what we know of CSI's in general .


so we so those of complaining have to take this into account as well this is Barry's still first year as the flash his year one it's still his start still though he's a CSI & I'm Still surprised that out of the whole police department that's he's to only one for that station I it looks like he hasn't had much dealing's with the criminals before he became super powered. so it makes sense why he'd fall for the betrayal cold also. also Cisco has be doing more of the Csi work the him of late yeah do let do it at time like with captain boomerang's weapon's but Cisco does more of the CSI work which at times I scratch my head .

also we keep seeing how his doubt in of his self lets his enemies have the upper had on him with this each episode he really needs to get a hold o that issue not some form the villains side will really make him suffer with that. complex .


the point is though that Barry has 3 bad habit's he's impulsive he need to lear to listen to his allies(leaders & heroes need to do this it's they're foundation) like his adopted dad Joe a litter more and his doubt issue it will have slap smacked all over the place if he' s not careful.

should have trust captain cold no but it's obvious he has very little dealing's with criminals in his day job as a CSI prior to him receiving the speed force and he has no point of reference ( Even though he's a geek, it seem's he may not of read comic's or I think he did but it seem they never put that i nthe stories he read, some how which is odd ) and his only mentor is his arch enemy.


it make total sense. those of use complain keep saying why doesn't run & dis arm this dude Etc yeah he can but it hasn't occurred to him he could do that cause he's so new at this & the person that was teaching turned & was suspected by him .

The Barry people who are complaining that want is an experienced & seasoned hero who has mastered his power to a degree know more common sense wise cause he's had dealing with e criminal world . the Barry we have right now is a rookie hero of sorts & still learning the ropes.


The point is he was supposed to learn since he's still in experienced. there's a lot he has to learn from through season 2 by 3 if he's still like this the there's problem with the writing this episode was a good one .

 

[haephestus]

Awesome episode. Just awesome!

MINOR quibbles include:

- Peek a Boo went from wayward thief with bad taste in men to wannabe killer pretty darn quickly. It seems that Team Flash's plans to rehabilitate the metahumans failed miserably if their confinement method changed Peek a Boo in such a dramatic way.

- What was Arrow doing there? Especially going up against the Reverse Flash? Team Flash stated that they coudn't get in contact with Oliver, yet he magically showed up at the exact same time as Firestorm having somehow gone from Nanda Parbat to Starling City and then to Central City to help save the day. I know that's kind of the nature of superhero team-ups, but it was pretty darn ridiculous. At least Firestorm's appearance was "explained" - they reached out to Ronnie and Martin and they showed up to help out.

- Why Arrow instead of Atom? It seemed as though it was Atom's nano technology which really subdued the Reverse Flash, yet he couldn't be bothered to put on his suit and help out? Surely Oliver could have at least made some throw-away mention of Atom's suit malfunctioning or being in the repair shop to explain his otherwise inexplicable absence. Again, I know that's kind of the nature of these superhero team ups, but it's not that hard to come up with an explanation, however incredible.

- I have no idea where this fits with what is happening on Arrow. I find it highly doubtful that Ra's would allow Oliver to skip out on his training as his heir to fly to Starling City and then onto Central City to help a superhero battle a supervillain.

- The battles were all too short! But, they were also pretty awesome. I'm guessing that getting captured was all part of the Reverse Flash's plan because he seemed to go down way too easily. He shrugged off the nano technology the first time, so surely he would be capable of doing so again (unless the fall off the building really took it out of him).

- Lian Yu was going to hold all those metahumans? Really? Slade easily escaped and he doesn't have any powers. Oliver and Thea also easily escaped and they don't have any powers. Maybe ARGUS seriously beefed up the security after Slade escaped, but it seemed highly improbably that the metahumans could be held on the island. Not to mention the fact that Lyla has quit ARGUS, so her ability to call in prisoner transport and permanent imprisonment favours was a little odd. Still, better than handing them over to the General.

- I'm hoping that next week the characters acknowledge that they're probably living in an "alternate" timeline and that the original timeline, which saw Barry and Iris get married, was seriously disrupted by the death of Barry's mum. It would also be great to see Cisco be a little more curious about his "dreams". Surely a character like Cisco would be wondering why, out of everyone, he was able to "remember" an alternate timeline.

Commendations include:

- The fight scenes! So cool to see superheroes battling supervillains on the small screen.

- Iris. Poor Iris. I actually felt bad for her in this episode. She's lost faith in Barry and her father after their deceit. And now she's lost Eddie because the Reverse Flash has poisoned his mind against being with Iris. I hope that both Iris and Eddie can get some interesting character development out of these latest revelations, by which I mean that Iris needs to develop as an independent character (NOT Barry's love interest) and Eddie should similarly get some independent character development that hopefully doesn't see him turn into a villain simply because he's upset that The Flash "stole" his woman.

- The numerous discussions about the legal and moral issues associated with imprisoning the metahumans was great. Sure, there is no easy answer, but it was great to see the characters actually address what they have been doing and to acknowledge that they really have no idea what to do with their prisoners, either on a short term or long term basis.

- Captain Cold. Yes, he's super cheesy, but he's still oh so cool (pun intended).

- Hal Jordan. When will he return from his training on Oa to be this sector's Green Lantern?

- Reverse Flash costume ring!

I'm really looking forward to next week!

 

[Venomfan]

I just don't buy Cold as a last resort though. Even if Firestorm couldn't get there in time for the prison transfer, he could have still gotten the help from a squad of ARGUS agents for the transfer. Their men would probably be more useful than one dude with an ice gun (keeping in mind that his sister wasn't part of the original plan), and they're already involved.
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Especially since we've seen in past episodes barry do enough things that prove he wouldn't need snart at all. How many times have we seen barry carry someone at superspeed. They could have had the plane arrive, then gas each prisoner and he'd speed them off one by one (possibly take them all the way to the island even if we want to get rid of the plane)

 

[Avenging Angel]

Especially since we've seen in past episodes barry do enough things that prove he wouldn't need snart at all. How many times have we seen barry carry someone at superspeed. They could have had the plane arrive, then gas each prisoner and he'd speed them off one by one (possibly take them all the way to the island even if we want to get rid of the plane)

Because he needed to learn the lesson behind trusting a sociopath.

 

[Spooderman]

No he didn't. That's called common sense.

 

[DCMarvelFanGuy]

This episode was very underwhelming.

Can't stand Captain Cold. Every episode he's in brings it way down. Utterly flummoxed that it seems he's in the finale as well.

Cisco- Emotional reactions for him seem to still be beneath the writers. He's still a walking punch line above everything else.

Wells- my favorite character has, since the Trap, turned into a complete ham. I am not happy.

Can't stand the shipping crap so it's a testament to how lowbrow this episode was that the bulk of the emotional weight I was looking for came from the Eddie and Iris scenes.

Catlin- so she registers Ronnie exists again? Aww writers. Still don't care though and neither did she for many , many episodes.

Joe- so he's against the meta human prison and always has been. Since when writers?

However,the most egregious scene in the episode, if not the show, for me was this:

I honestly was completely disgusted by the fight. So apparently Arrow has two shows. Yes, lets make the regular human take down Barry's big bad. Oh wait this show is called The Flash. Really? Could have fooled me. I was already wary of Firestorm and the regular human showing up in the battle between Wells and Barry in the first place, since you know this isn't their damn show,but as long as the final blow was Barry's I could overlook it a bit.

We've been waiting all season for the reveal and personal battle between the TITLE character and his villain. Instead we get a should have been useless human getting not one, but two decisive blows on a being that is faster than Barry. I laughed derisively when Barry said "Got You" to a comatose Wells. Like hell you did. The writing for this fight was (second)fastest man alive can't take guns from two regular people kind of lunacy. The fact Arrow even touched him let along beat him just ughhhhhhhhh

I'm aware we have one episode left so maybe the actual real fight between the hero and his villain will happen there, and if so word to the wise writers this show is called The Flash keep regular humans, and other meta's, out this time. Thanks.

On a more shallow note the reverse flash costume is hideous.Both in it's loud ugly color and effectiveness in looking badass. It's doesn't look good on Wells and never has. I prefer him in his regular clothes.

Also the overall cgi for this show is not good. The only time I've not thought this was the plastique episode, the tsunami, and Ronnie's fire.

Wow! Guess you aren't a comic book fan... I don't understand how anyone can hate Cold! He's so fun. Less Iris whining, more Snart having fun! Also, I'm not sure the Reverse Flash suit is supposed to look "badass", just crazy. Here's a man that hates the Flash so much that he reversed the colors and the emblem.... Wow!

 

[Hulk1968]

Good episode even with the plot-holes. Yes, Barry learned a lesson the hard way: never trust a villain no matter how desperate you are, even if he's a cool one. (LOL)

Poor Iris though.

 

[Mikelus]

We get a lot of characters dumbed down or unavoidably detained from the other task in stories for the sake of making a story.

Yep, unfortunately, they have done that several times this season.

The whole Barry trusting Cold fiasco was unnecessary, all the writers needed to do was make Eobard release all the metahumans to create chaos and distract Team Flash, instead of making Barry a moron like they usually do when they want to. Also, S.T.A.R. Labs "open door policy" is getting ridiculous, anyone and their grandma can enter... Anyway, despite the flaws, it was decent and entertaining, hopefully they will not ruin the Reverse Flash in the finale by dumbing him down too much, he should fight Barry again one on one so it's more epic like their first fight was, we'll see.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Also the overall cgi for this show is not good. The only time I've not thought this was the plastique episode, the tsunami, and Ronnie's fire.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hell yeah! Glad you enjoyed it Hunter, another awesome episode. What a season it has been can't wait for the finale t:

Exactly! I just breeze through this section and the Arrow section, I haven't got time for that grumbling mess, life's too short!

 

[BattleCat]

This felt like a filler episode, up until the last scene. Their really wasn't much build up to the final showdown. The wells vs arrow fight felt slow and poorly choreographed.

 

[Batmannerism]

Of course, the most important thing, is everything on screen was as entertaining as hell.

Yup, and then some. Sure it wasn't perfect, and Barry was a dumbass trusting Snart, but hey what a great ride.

Yeah, Iris is still lying to herself, but that's nothing new. Man I hope the writers take a new direction with the character next season.

Feels good when they finally take down RF, although it would have been great to let Barry throw the final punch.

Next time Barry and Cold meet it won't be so friendly - although I do like that when Cold beats Barry it isn't through his gun, but through his wits.

Anyway, it gets a 9/10 from me, mostly for Cavanagh's spot on portrayal of the RF, and tons of superhero action.



This is what superhero tv shows are supposed to be like - sure it ain't Shakespeare, but if that's what you want then don't watch the Flash. It's good fun, and

 

[Venomfan]

Yep, unfortunately, they have done that several times this season.

Also, S.T.A.R. Labs "open door policy" is getting ridiculous, anyone and their grandma can enter....

speaking of, that is a huge facility to only have 3 staff at. Who cleans that place lol?

 

[dude stannis]

Another great episode, astonishing that I've liked every episode. Did anyone else laugh when they reused the exact same shot of Ronnie landing the second time?

Dat Hal Jordan reference!

 

[Tempest]

I gave this episode a 9 out 10, mainly because Joe was acting like a turd again. His entire monologue about how it didn't sit right with him how the metas were in being imprisoned made me roll my eyes. It was his idea.

Also, the DA told Joe to back off, and I wish there had been some follow-up. Instead, we were treated to more romancey drama. Although, I will admit, wow, Eddie. He kind of tore me up.

 

[zenith16]

I gave this episode a 9 out 10, mainly because Joe was acting like a turd again. His entire monologue about how it didn't sit right with him how the metas were in being imprisoned made me roll my eyes. It was his idea.

Also, the DA told Joe to back off, and I wish there had been some follow-up. Instead, we were treated to more romancey drama. Although, I will admit, wow, Eddie. He kind of tore me up.

hmmm nah it's the writers trying to address the issue. Cause even though he said that initially he ment he want something to capture & contain them so they can catch them have face courts of the people of the city for their crimes .
He's a cop at the engd of the day after all it's his day job .

Joe believes in justice . he still want these Criminals to have a fair trial before locking them away be til the cured(unlikely might not be the right word) or or locked away for ever/ life. Beside's s star labs was never meant to be a prison of any sort or it's workers warden & jailers . he jet want's it all to be done right and for the courts to be involved right now it just seem's like they're holding the meta's for just having power's instead of their crimes they committed . in his mids eye just wants the law& department of justice to be involved that's the latters Job .

 

[metaphysician]

Looking at it from a practical standpoint, they've could've easily just

-Gassed the metas
-restrained them in the truck
-Gas them again
-Get them on the plane and restrain them

I honestly had a lot of issues with this episode as there are some serious lapses in logic but whatever...it was still enjoyable.

Still wrapping my head around what Cold's purpose was though. Ultimately, all he and his sister did was serve as escorts for moving the metas. Really wasn't necessary.

Or even better, they could have kept them gassed *and* inside a power nullifier cell. Redundancy is good.

Of course, they wouldn't have needed the redundancy if not for bringing in Snart for *no reason whatsoever*.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yep, unfortunately, they have done that several times this season.

The whole Barry trusting Cold fiasco was unnecessary, all the writers needed to do was make Eobard release all the metahumans to create chaos and distract Team Flash, instead of making Barry a moron like they usually do when they want to. Also, S.T.A.R. Labs "open door policy" is getting ridiculous, anyone and their grandma can enter... Anyway, despite the flaws, it was decent and entertaining, hopefully they will not ruin the Reverse Flash in the finale by dumbing him down too much, he should fight Barry again one on one so it's more epic like their first fight was, we'll see.

That open door policy truly needs to go.

This reaction, I like.

 

[zenith16]

That open door policy truly needs to go.

This reaction, I like.

it should. But it won't. Looks at Lex's mansion in small ville & the arrow lair under the club vardent that's been finally put out of it's misery after cops raided it with it's upgraded security system Diggle put in from Argus that was made useless with that police raid. Well maybe the flash writers will deviate Finally from that. May be.

 

[Golgo-13]

Cool ep, but it did feel like two eps merged into one.

The final fight was indeed cool but the F/X for Firestorm took me out of it, where it looked like the F/X team tried cg'ing the actors head onto the flying body.

I love the line RF said to Arrow about the history books saying he lives till aged 86...

 

[Dark Raven]

It doesn't make sense after watching Flash episode 22. Oliver was about to get married to Nyssa and he was still Al Sah Him, and now he shows up in Flash back as Oliver to take on Wells. I feel like I've missed an Arrow episode. Shouldn't "my name is Oliver Queen" (which I haven't watched yet) come before Rogue Air? Or at least whichever episode is supposed to follow the one where team Arrow were all about to get poisoned?

 

[The Caped Knight]

I love the mini fight between Flash vs. Zoom!, Captain Cold is brilliant as always. It was nice to see the first battle with a few of the Rogues.

 

[The Chris]

It doesn't make sense after watching Flash episode 22. Oliver was about to get married to Nyssa and he was still Al Sah Him, and now he shows up in Flash back as Oliver to take on Wells. I feel like I've missed an Arrow episode. Shouldn't "my name is Oliver Queen" (which I haven't watched yet) come before Rogue Air? Or at least whichever episode is supposed to follow the one where team Arrow were all about to get poisoned?

I'm still trying to figure that out. How did Oliver know Barry needed help? I thought he couldn't reach him because of Oliver of course being in the league. Unless Oliver heard Lyla talking to Barry on the phone before taking her. When exactly did he have the time and opportunity to even help him? After capturing Nyssa in Starling maybe? I'm gonna try not to think about it too much, but man. Unless someone knows in these circles.

 

[Golgo-13]

What makes less sense is why Flash needed Cpt Cold to begin with. Is he the only one who knows how to point and shoot a cold gun; a gun that Cisco can make? Joe is probably a better shot than Cpt.Cold, seeing as how he's a trained. And like others have said, Flash could have simply grabbed each meta and ran them through the city in a matter of seconds; why the need to shut down parts of the city….? The more i think about this ep, the less it makes sense. I hope Well's plan was to get caught, because if not, his take down was a complete let down.