that's just weird that Eobard would leave that around.Cisco told us there was an extra suit, I forgot where, but I remember him saying it.
Just watched the episode and I couldn't but agree with Caitlin that Team Flash did sort of "betray" (not really the right word but that's what Caitlin used). They made the whole point of Grodd being smarter and having more complex thoughts, emotions and desires. Yet, they they forced him through the rift against his will. Sure, it might have been "for his own good", but as a sentient, intelligent being, shouldn't he have had a say in it, never mind the right to make that decision on his own?
Anyone else had the same reaction?
And that will be the spark that leads him to despise the human race even more so.
I understand that Grodd killed people, but he's a pretty unique and complex being who was under the manipulative influence of a super villain for years. So, I thought that Team Flash could have at least tried reasoning with him instead of manipulating him. At the end of the day, hopefully Grodd doesn't resent Caitlin for sending him to Gorilla City. And I really hope that we somehow see Grodd return with non-murderous motivations!
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well let's just remember Grodd if he does take over Gorrila city, that city is in earth 2 where earth 2 Dr. well's and jay are from. Grodd has to take over that earth first and for most. and the breach's to that earth one might be closed by then and he'll have to be facing off against Jay and heroes of earth 2 like olivers dad there, most likely. There's no gorrila city on the earth barry is the main hero of.Caitlin is naïve if she thought that Grodd would just be content with a Mrs. Grodd and a few little Groddies. He's already shown that he's naturally aggressive and loathes most of humanity. Team Flash will be collectively facepalming when they realize that they've enabled Grodd to become more dangerous once he's taken over Gorilla City.
Grodd might have the intelligence level of a human, but he still operates like an animal. So far, he's shown no remorse for kidnapping or intimidating humans. He has also killed anyone who has threatened one of his "homes" and easily dispatched the lives of people once they've served their purpose in his plans. I wouldn't be surprised if Grodd is eventually eating human brains just to become more intelligent.
The little homage to King Kong was cool and I like that he's building towards a Gorilla army.
nah the one that was overly sick enough to kill Grodd's mother for fun is Argus's General Eling(aka the shaggy man) and Eobard Thawne using Dr.wells face was all too happy to take her place and parent to Grodd . he saw the genarl as racist inway to meta's and eobard thawn see's grodd as a fellow meta (not human but fellow meta.I like the Gorilla City possibilities, but I also hope Grodd continues the research that produces Giganta.
On another note, the lab had Grodd from an early age, which probably means Grodd's mother was shot, maybe even on Wells' orders. Grodd is like a mirror version of Barry.
well let's just remember Grodd if he does take over Gorrila city, that city is in earth 2 where earth 2 Dr. well's and jay are from. Grodd has to take over that earth first and for most. and the breach's to that earth one might be closed by then and he'll have to be facing off against Jay and heroes of earth 2 like olivers dad there, most likely. There's no gorrila city on the earth barry is the main hero of.
Grodd has to conquer and rule domestically on earth 2 then try to expand his empire . it'll be a while . especially since gorilla city is only on earth 2's universe.
I still want to know where that revers flash suit came from? I don't seem to recall he had spares in the room Gedon was in.
I'm already stated some in both this thread about Cisco's vibing and his own devoted thread. he seem's to be a precog meta human while in the comic's he was only able to sense boom tubes cause they were the source of his quake power via vibration. which is odd. but interesting. but I hope he get's his quake ability's I'd like to see him in the field with barry and with a mind like his I'm sure he can pull off multiple trick with his quake ability
Wait, does Barry,Reverse'Flash, etc's speed make them immune to Grodd's control..?
yeah i totally agree! this wasn't like it was Pied Piper or somebody.. dude was gnawing on people in a sewer!!... hell dude! would have had you gnawing off your own leg with his powers!! i don't think Barry did wrong sending his ass to another place like earth 2!plus who would have cleaned up after him in the pipeline if they had put him there!! monleys throw poo!!I don't think Barry did anything wrong regarding Grodd, you don't play around when you are dealing with a 15 foot killer ape capable of mind control.
I don't think Barry did anything wrong regarding Grodd, you don't play around when you are dealing with a 15 foot killer ape capable of mind control.
Cisco told us there was an extra suit, I forgot where, but I remember him saying it.
What I don't get is why they keep referring to Earth-1 Wells in the past tense as "Wells" when they know now that he was Eobard Thawne and they never actually knew Earth-1 Wells?
It's like having someone lie about being your father but then still referring to him as "Dad"
Unless the producers get a huge increase for their Budget in Season 3, I don't see them using Grodd as Season 3's Main Villain.
Didn't one of the producers say that they can't use Grodd as their Season's Big Bad due to budgetary reasons?
It's already a given that Grodd's appearances will be infrequent due to the CGI burden he presents. I don't mind that because it gives his episodes a special feel. However, it's not completely necessary for Grodd to rule over Earth 2 to continue his rivalry with Team Flash.
Grodd could capture Jay or another E2 hero and word gets sent to E1 that Barry's help is needed. Grodd could also become intelligent enough to open the breach to recapture Caitlin or just to bring a small squadron of loyal/mind-controlled apes through to attack Flash. There are plenty of ways to go with this story, and I think we'll see ever-escalating clashes between Grodd and Flash until Grodd either dies or his intelligence is removed.
I don't think he'll conquer Earth 2, but he'll almost certainly conquer Gorilla City.
I hear ya hunterI think the spare RF suit was a bit of artistic license, I mean it would stand to reason that a planner like Wells would have a back-up. I am also glad they brought the ring back for Cisco to tinker with.
I am not really very knowledgeable on Vibe from the comics so this is all new territiry for me. I am sure his powers will progress and evolve as the series goes on though, he's just scratching the surface right now and getting to grips with them.
What I don't get is why they keep referring to Earth-1 Wells in the past tense as "Wells" when they know now that he was Eobard Thawne and they never actually knew Earth-1 Wells?
It's like having someone lie about being your father but then still referring to him as "Dad"
I think you mean linda park and not iris. they used Linda. it was both barry's and Iris's plan. with joe it's just he's really confused but he did this with barry dad too til he realized barry's real dad was framed and finally stopped.The Flash gang's persistence with holding E2 Wells accountable forE1 Wells'Eobard Thawne's crimes was bad enough, but laying the blame for what happened with Zoom last week on him was just too much. It was THEIR plan to use Iris to trap Zoom, endangering her in the process. It was THEIR decision to force the confrontation with Zoom and ignore Jay's warnings.
I also made a statement a page back on why barry dad left when all the people in his life and in that town thought he was a killer and even though he's been released his life there is basically ruined there/ cause they will do the same thing. cause people have this terrible habit of not letting that register with he exception of the people that cleared them from the frame up. but they have the star lab's team doing what most of the public or turn their back on you once it look like your the one that did the crime that were framed and cleared .
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I already said as much when barry's blood father left town too. that alot of people just remember only that part(he was convicted and went to jail) after your names clear of the charges and free due to the evidence. but most people that see you were in jail and convicted mostly see that sadly and it's best to leave town if that's the case an start over another place. and seeing that the star labs team even though they did the autopsy and know the real docter well's was killed in the same year barry's mother died along with his wife and they should know better . they keep saying "dr. wells the murder" still even though is was the impostor thawne.[/B]
That's too depressing dude. They're trying to instill hope with the Henry scenes. I thought it was fine. Sometimes a person just wants to go out and find themselves again after a traumatizing events. I completely understand the rationale behind it.
so the real docter well's while dead is in the same place as barry's father. he was framed in a worse way too. and the star labs team keep saying it so often ,that he's(thawne) was wells all the time and doesn't help matters and doing that even though they have the evidence which the did all the forensic work them selves and they know what's possible now be it through a meta human shape shifter's or tech as thawne used with the real dr. wells to steal his face,
what the star labs team has been doing by not saying it was thawne or registering it in their head's that it was never dr.wells from the jump is a representation of how people who have been framed like barry's dad get the shaft and why they don't stick around the same town, cause of it and people have this habit to treat people like barry's dad even worse.
And most people who have been framed lives despite being cleared , they're lives are often ruined sadly.
So no they won't stay in that same town ,not with people acting like that. and they shouldn't be expected to ether
So basically, it's exactly like what people often do in Real Life..
Also, they keep referring to Eobard Thawne as "Wells" for the very reason you state - namely that they never met the "original" Harrison Wells and he was the only Harrison Wells they ever knew.
Monkeys do, but Gorillas do not.plus who would have cleaned up after him in the pipeline if they had put him there!! monleys throw poo!!
..if i was on team Flash i would be the hell with cleaning that &*( up!!