The Flash The Flash Season 2 Episode 9: "Running to Stand Still"

[JC00]

-I'm getting tired of the GA bashing. Not only is it unnecessarily petty, but it doesn't even line up with Joe/Oliver's more recent interactions.

I really don't get it. I might get it if Arrow took shots at Flash and it was a joke between the two writers rooms but I don't think Arrow has taken one shot at Flash

 

[JC00]

Thought the episode was good but for the final fall episode it felt a tiny bit weak. Stand alone Rogue episode with a 10 second intro of Wally West and then the cliffhanger was Earth-2 Harrison Wells appearing to do what we all expected him to do, ever since he showed up.

But anyone could see it was gonna happen with that foreshadowing when Barry was talking about Thawne looking at Earth-2 Wells through the window.

Episode would have just felt better if there was one more episode to go before the break.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I really don't get it. I might get it if Arrow took shots at Flash and it was a joke between the two writers rooms but I don't think Arrow has taken one shot at Flash

What shots are they taking besides Joe thinking a guy who dresses up and shoots arrows at criminals every night is crazy? Because that isn't taking shots.

 

[JC00]

Any word when Mirror Master is going to show up? He seems like the last major Flash Rogue yet to make an appearance.

Probably being held off because of the movie. Just like i'm sure the Wally West introduction is also a contingency plan if Warner Brothers/DC tries to pull their usual "he's in the movies, he can't be on TV" with Barry.

 

[gummybear]

The episode felt a bit slow and boring overall. Nice to see Zoom again and get Wally into the show though.

I getting more and more convinced Zoom is Earth 2 Henry.

 

[eplo]

There was only one thing that really bugged me about this episode and it was some of patty's dialog to flash... "I was being stupI'd and silly with my friends" just really didn't sound like anything anyone would say

 

[haephestus]

It was a decent episode.

The team-up of Weather Wizard, Captain Cold and The Trickster (Joker) was a little odd and I didn't really buy the Weather Wizard's justification for forming a team of super villains.

I did like Captain Cold almost ... flirting with Barry in his home though. It was kind of cute to see.

I also could have sworn that Francine said that she put her son up for adoption and that Iris was meant to be using her investigative reporter skills to track him down. But, Francine apparently raised him as her son, with Joe's last name and just never bothered to contact Joe or Iris until she was diagnosed with a terminal disease? That's pretty ... odd/cold. If she'd cleaned/sobered herself up during the pregnancy, why wouldn't she return to Joe and Iris? The whole secret son thing seemed to be resolved a little too quickly for me.

I liked the expanded background for Patty, although it seemed a little too extreme. Still, it was nice to see the character get to do more and to be something other than simply adorable and loveable (which are great qualities too).

It's interesting that the "speed force" is apparently like some kind of muscle which you can train and strengthen. At the same time, if Barry's powers can just keep growing and growing, then it's going to be harder for them to justify some of his actions (e.g. not being able to search every house in Central City within 8 or so hours to find 100 bombs).

I'm a little disappointed that Harry has gone from villain to ally to villain so quickly. And I really wish they would do something more with Jay. I understand that they don't want to service two speedsters on the show, but surely Jay could have some kind of active mission other than being at Caitlin's beck and call. A throw-away mention to Cisco's heartbreak at losing Kendra would have also been nice, especially since it was Christmas and Cisco had a number of new couples (e.g. Caitlin/Jay and Barry/Patty) around him.

All in all, it was probably the weakest episode for me this season. It's a shame that it also heralded the mid season break.

 

[Lencho01]

I thought it was ok. Didn't feel as a big as last year's midseason finale.

The whole thing about Barry still needed to get over Wells seemed weird to me.

Hamill as the closest thing to a live-action DCAU Joker was a treat.

Please, give Jay his speed back.

 

[The Navigator]

This episode was all right, pacing was weird. Random Thoughts:

Maybe Wally will become a speedster pretty quickly and the writers will use that as an excuse to give Iris, Caitlyn and Jay more focus (Iris being the big sister mentor to the beginner Wally, Jay training Wally and Barry, and Caitlyn...uh, does a thing not related to making doe eyes at Jay)? Eh, I can dream, anyway...This show needs to do more "day in the limelight" episodes if they're going to keep increasing the cast.

Nice seeing Cold take more of a backseat so Weather Wizard could get some time to shine. I like Cold and all, but we gotta let those other rogues have a chance, too.

I wasn't feeling Patty's backstory (or most of the crying scenes in this episode, although maybe that's just because of how damn many there were). I guess her being distracted by WW is one way to dodge that whole "why is my boss and Barry's foster father not at all bothered by Wells chilling out at STAR labs" question.

I honestly thought that opening bit with Zoom was a dream sequence at first, especially when he said "Merry Christmas."

I liked Barry running on top of helicopter blades, that was a nice touch. Ditto for Jay trolling Caitlyn about Christmas, and the dreidel trap.

Seeing Cisco and co. save the random kiddies from Trickster's presents made me realize how one-sided this season's focus has been on "fighting the bad guy" as opposed to directly saving people. Season 1, Flash was catching guys falling from buildings, pulling people out of car wrecks, stopping fires, and so on--season 2, not as much. I might be overstating it for s1 or understating it for s2, but I liked seeing Flash do that, made him more of the "Superman" to GA's "Batman." Hopefully that makes more of a comeback after the New Year.

 

[Herolee10]

I thought it was ok. Didn't feel as a big as last year's midseason finale.

The whole thing about Barry still needed to get over Wells seemed weird to me.

Hamill as the closest thing to a live-action DCAU Joker was a treat.

Please, give Jay his speed back.

Agreed. I felt like the episode the featured Barry getting his ass handed to him by Zoom came off as something more fitting for a Mid-Season finale as opposed to this one.

And having Jay powerless for this long has really taken away that "larger than life" presence that he should have had when presented as the Flash from Earth 2.

 

[The Navigator]

And having Jay powerless for this long has really taken away that "larger than life" presence that he should have had when presented as the Flash from Earth 2.

Teaching Barry to throw lightning and then fading into the background as quickly as possible probably doesn't help either.

 

[Herolee10]

Teaching Barry to throw lightning and then fade into the background as quickly as possible probably doesn't help either.

Other than teaching him lightning and helping him rescue Patty from Sand Demon, Jay hasn't really done much. I mean he really doesn't need to be on the show at all and the only reason why he's still on is because of his (forced) relationship with Caitlin, which makes his lack of purpose even more evident.

 

[DCMarvelFanGuy]

It was a decent episode.

The team-up of Weather Wizard, Captain Cold and The Trickster (Joker) was a little odd and I didn't really buy the Weather Wizard's justification for forming a team of super villains.

I did like Captain Cold almost ... flirting with Barry in his home though. It was kind of cute to see.

I also could have sworn that Francine said that she put her son up for adoption and that Iris was meant to be using her investigative reporter skills to track him down. But, Francine apparently raised him as her son, with Joe's last name and just never bothered to contact Joe or Iris until she was diagnosed with a terminal disease? That's pretty ... odd/cold. If she'd cleaned/sobered herself up during the pregnancy, why wouldn't she return to Joe and Iris? The whole secret son thing seemed to be resolved a little too quickly for me.

I liked the expanded background for Patty, although it seemed a little too extreme. Still, it was nice to see the character get to do more and to be something other than simply adorable and loveable (which are great qualities too).

It's interesting that the "speed force" is apparently like some kind of muscle which you can train and strengthen. At the same time, if Barry's powers can just keep growing and growing, then it's going to be harder for them to justify some of his actions (e.g. not being able to search every house in Central City within 8 or so hours to find 100 bombs).

I'm a little disappointed that Harry has gone from villain to ally to villain so quickly. And I really wish they would do something more with Jay. I understand that they don't want to service two speedsters on the show, but surely Jay could have some kind of active mission other than being at Caitlin's beck and call. A throw-away mention to Cisco's heartbreak at losing Kendra would have also been nice, especially since it was Christmas and Cisco had a number of new couples (e.g. Caitlin/Jay and Barry/Patty) around him.

All in all, it was probably the weakest episode for me this season. It's a shame that it also heralded the mid season break.

What was wrong with Weather Wizard's justification for wanting a supervillian team? It's a simple but believable reason. Flash has crossed all of these guys, and each one has almost had the Flash on the ropes at some point or another. Together, their victory is assured.

 

[zenith16]

It was a decent episode.

The team-up of Weather Wizard, Captain Cold and The Trickster (Joker) was a little odd and I didn't really buy the Weather Wizard's justification for forming a team of super villains.

I did like Captain Cold almost ... flirting with Barry in his home though. It was kind of cute to see.

I also could have sworn that Francine said that she put her son up for adoption and that Iris was meant to be using her investigative reporter skills to track him down. But, Francine apparently raised him as her son, with Joe's last name and just never bothered to contact Joe or Iris until she was diagnosed with a terminal disease? That's pretty ... odd/cold. If she'd cleaned/sobered herself up during the pregnancy, why wouldn't she return to Joe and Iris? The whole secret son thing seemed to be resolved a little too quickly for me.

I liked the expanded background for Patty, although it seemed a little too extreme. Still, it was nice to see the character get to do more and to be something other than simply adorable and loveable (which are great qualities too).

It's interesting that the "speed force" is apparently like some kind of muscle which you can train and strengthen. At the same time, if Barry's powers can just keep growing and growing, then it's going to be harder for them to justify some of his actions (e.g. not being able to search every house in Central City within 8 or so hours to find 100 bombs).

I'm a little disappointed that Harry has gone from villain to ally to villain so quickly. And I really wish they would do something more with Jay. I understand that they don't want to service two speedsters on the show, but surely Jay could have some kind of active mission other than being at Caitlin's beck and call. A throw-away mention to Cisco's heartbreak at losing Kendra would have also been nice, especially since it was Christmas and Cisco had a number of new couples (e.g. Caitlin/Jay and Barry/Patty) around him.

All in all, it was probably the weakest episode for me this season. It's a shame that it also heralded the mid season break.

Truth be told most women that did what she did and have their kids while still under the influence of drugs have their kid taken from them much less put them up for adoption I'm surprised she was allowed to keep wally if he's around the age of 19 20 that's unheard of if not hard to buy. with the fact she kept the last name of joe's I didn't speak much after the day it aired here but out side of this forum yes this bugged me but not in an angry way.

but I did have talk with buddies and family if it was around my time period it would make a little sense but a kid in that situation ether ended up dead with mothers like that, if not taken to foster care from other that ran into her or put up for adoption which happened alot.

kid of Wally's supposed gen no if people noticed how his mother was they take the kid till she's sober and they are assured she wouldn't fall back or they have in the foster care system away from her for ever, which happens alot, from his age zone.

So your right it should have been an iris search's for her baby brother story. It was one of the many question's I hoped not to ask cause some I had a feeling this would be pulled.

oh well what's done is done. It doesn't make the best of sense when it comes to how it is that she was allowed to keep wally? in the state she was in.



oh and about Jay this is from Comic book movies. But it's like you won't be able to head to via this face link so you have to find you self.


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[Lencho01]

Agreed. I felt like the episode the featured Barry getting his ass handed to him by Zoom came off as something more fitting for a Mid-Season finale as opposed to this one.

And having Jay powerless for this long has really taken away that "larger than life" presence that he should have had when presented as the Flash from Earth 2.

Yeah, that would've fit the "Wow!" ending before the break better.

At this point, it's like he's only there for the "Will they, Won't they?" storyline with Caitlin.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, that would've fit the "Wow!" ending before the break better.

At this point, it's like he's only there for the "Will they, Won't they?" storyline with Caitlin.

Agreed.

Though this episode did have its high marks and served a few good purposes.

They've finally found a good reason to justify on why Barry shouldn't simply use his super speed to disarm Snart's cold gun. I mean Barry should have defeated Cold easily in their past encounters by using his super speed to disarm him.

At least now, they can justify why he can't easily do that.

And I like how they demonstrated that Barry is a lot more powerful than what some episodes portray him as (for the sake of the plot) since without that dirty advantage of using innocent families as leverage, the Flash shouldn't have any issues beating the likes of the Trickster and Weather Wizard.

I really do hope that they give Jay's powers back to him. He's been incredibly dull these last few episodes. Honestly, he wasn't even needed during the climax at the end with getting rid of the bombs.

And why is it that Caitlin seems to have better chemistry with Barry, who isn't even portrayed as a romantic potential for her. I don't know about anyone else, but I always found her chemistry with Ronnie to be wooden and the same is said for her current thing with Jay.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Superhero stupidity tropes 101: Talk to villain when you have the chance to neutralize them first.

I'll excuse the stupidity of that moment for this episode, because it led to great action like that slow-mo shot of Barry running on walls, jumping on the helicopter rotor blades, and ending the chase with Barry dropping Mark, only to let the crew know about the bombs and Harry comes with the idea of disposing of them all to save the kids.

 

[TheFuture]

I'm a little disappointed that Harry has gone from villain to ally to villain so quickly. And I really wish they would do something more with Jay. I understand that they don't want to service two speedsters on the show, but surely Jay could have some kind of active mission other than being at Caitlin's beck and call. A throw-away mention to Cisco's heartbreak at losing Kendra would have also been nice, especially since it was Christmas and Cisco had a number of new couples (e.g. Caitlin/Jay and Barry/Patty) around him.

All in all, it was probably the weakest episode for me this season. It's a shame that it also heralded the mid season break.

Saying that he's a villain is a bit simplistic. The guy has agreed to Zoom's demand for one reason: to save his daughter. It's the one final desperate act of a man truly terrified for his child.

There will be a twist at some point anyway in order for him to make amends, either through his own sacrifice or through giving someone else the opportunity to join the fight (Jay or Wally).

 

[Lencho01]

Agreed.

Though this episode did have its high marks and served a few good purposes.

They've finally found a good reason to justify on why Barry shouldn't simply use his super speed to disarm Snart's cold gun. I mean Barry should have defeated Cold easily in their past encounters by using his super speed to disarm him.

At least now, they can justify why he can't easily do that.

And I like how they demonstrated that Barry is a lot more powerful than what some episodes portray him as (for the sake of the plot) since without that dirty advantage of using innocent families as leverage, the Flash shouldn't have any issues beating the likes of the Trickster and Weather Wizard.

I really do hope that they give Jay's powers back to him. He's been incredibly dull these last few episodes. Honestly, he wasn't even needed during the climax at the end with getting rid of the bombs.

And why is it that Caitlin seems to have better chemistry with Barry, who isn't even portrayed as a romantic potential for her. I don't know about anyone else, but I always found her chemistry with Ronnie to be wooden and the same is said for her current thing with Jay.

I saw some panels of Cold dealing with Jessie Quick (evil version) and his gun had a voice-activated component and he used it on him after he grabbed his gun away. It was... cool.

I'll also add, the scene at the West home with Cold was pretty funny.

I thought she was ok with Ronnie and I'm hoping the stuff with Jay improves now that they aren't trying to hide they like each other.

But, seriously... give him back his powers.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm still trying to understand how the hell sending one bomb up into the portal caused them all to get sucked up and explode?

 

[jer_33]

After the terrible cross-over episode (the Arrow corss-over epi was much better), at least this episode felt like it got back to the script.

It was a little uneven and if I had any gripes, it would be about how suddenly involved Patty's character became, and how quickly her character turned 'dark'. The fact that she somehow had a device created to stop the Flash while she tried to off the Weather Wizard seemed like a BIG STRETTTCCCH.

But I've rated this episode an 8 for the 5min scene involving Joe, Barry and Iris. That was some Emmy-calibre acting right there, and I hope they never veer too far from the human elements that make this show a fun hour of action/fiction.

 

[DrStrange]

I enjoyed this episode but it did feel like a normal filler episode. Not one worthy of the mid season finale.

Pros:
-Mark Hamill was amazing. I just picture the Joke when he talks so it's a lot of fun. And even more awesome to see him right before The Force Awakens next week!
-The bombs were a good idea. Better than dampening The Flash's powers. It doesn't make sense for The Flash to lose in a regular fight to anyone without super speed. Just like a lot of the comics and other iterations, make impossible scenarios for him that he can't run his way out of. The mirror master will be good for this when he arrives on sceneThey really need to do that every time.
-Helicopter blade run was awesome!!!
-Although it seems that a lot of people were upset about Patty's role. I enjoyed it. They already referenced it earlier in the season as to why she wanted to join the task force. So it makes sense to let her deal with those demons. Of course the timeline for that does seem a little off. (I know it most definitely won't happen, but wouldn't it be awesome if she turned out bad? kind of like a spy for Zoom?)
-Seeing Wally was nice. Hope he's a good actor.

Cons:
-I'm so sick of Jay... Either give him his powers back or get rid of him. What does he even do all day? You would think he'd be trying to get his speed back but he doesn't. He's really just a wet blanket for the team. I wish they would have made him a little more BA. He's kind of a wimp and hasn't played an important role for a while.
-Jay and Caitlyn's relationship seems so forced. I know it's been a while since she lost Ronnie but I don't think she'd be throwing herself at him. Hopefully this will somehow tie in to her becoming Killer Frost.
-Zoom, he's the stuff made of nightmares, but don't give him the exact same goal as RF. Come on...
-Really, there was no cliffhanger or anything we didn't all see coming. I think they should have at least hinted to who Zoom was. Given us a vague clue or something.


All in all not a terrible episode but not midseason finale worthy IMO

 

[HighFivingMF]

What if Zoom isn't someone? What if his identity isn't some big reveal or secret? He's just a monster. They haven't been playing at teasing his identity that much like with Reverse-Flash.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think they teased much at Reverse Flash's identity, they teased at Wells's secret.

 

[BestGirl]

Mediocre episode.

- Why didn't Barry just knock the Weather Wizard and the Trickster out with his super speed? The bombs can't go off if they can't detonate them.

- How the hell did sending one bomb up the breach cause others to follow? I thought Cisco said something about magnets but shouldn't a whole bunch of magnets flown out of houses as well?

- Where did Patty get that device that tied the Flash to the ground?

- I can't stand the Trickster. He's a cheap Joker, at least the way he's presented in the show.

- Another speedster showing up in Wally West is troubling since they haven't yet figured put what to do with Jay.

I was glad that Joe admitted that lying to Iris was more about protecting himself than her. Also, Cold and Barry together was amusing. I agree with whomever said the Barry back-breaking episode should've been the finale.