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This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]364365[/split]
Took these back when I used to paint Jason masks:
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The 2009 film IMO is one of the better horror remakes, and one of my favorites. I love how brutal the first like 10-15 mins is even before the title card. I feel like of the main 4 (TCM, Friday, Nightmare, Halloween) TCM and Friday had the better remakes.
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.
Also it made money I believe?
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.
Also it made money I believe?
Personally I really liked it, they didn't remove him being insanely hard to kill since he survived the chipper, but I loved him having tripwires ringing bells to tell him exactly where people were, was a cool way to explain him always knowing where his next victims were, helps that I was never a big fan of Zombie Jason after part 6 (Or of any of the movies after part 6), he basically became a Michael Myers knockoff but less intelligent and seemingly able to teleport offscreen. I think the 2009 remake did a cool thing using Jason's environment and him having to have survived in it alone for so long to develop what kind of killer he is, he may be mentally handicapped, but he knows the forest, he knows how to survive in it, and he knows how to hunt and kill. Everything he does in the film seem like things he'd naturally have developed some aptitude for growing up. It set him apart from Michael and Freddy without seeming out of character (at least to me).
I think being more believable is actually the best direction for them to go with F13/Jason, the more supernatural and unbelievable elements have a history of not meshing too well with the franchise. The first 4 films and the remake are my favorites in the franchise because they kept things simple and Jason was at his most believable.
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.
Also it made money I believe?
I think it can work with having a supernatural Jason as evidenced by parts two, three and four. Even before he died (again) he was taking damage he shouldn't have been able to otherwise survive. A machete to the shoulder, axe to the head, etc. I do agree they should tone it down while keeping an air of invincibility about him, but imo, they shouldn't ever try to do away with it completely.
As for the '09 film, it's definitely a top favorite following two, three and four. I liked the hunter aspect to Jason, that he knew archery and set up bear traps for people. Derek Mears fully understood what to do, and imo he is the best Jason to date.
My only "issue" with the reboot is that I kind of wish Jason had wore the sack longer. It made him look far more intimidating.
I don't think Jason was meant to be supernatural in 2, 3, and 4. I think he was meant to be just a super tough human, but still human. I've posted in this thread before that there are actual cases of real people suffering similar injuries and surviving. Granted Jason shrugs off the effects unrealistically easily, but it is a Slasher film after all. An there is an actual medical condition that could allow someone to ignore such injuries, at least to a point, and thus suspension of disbelief is a little easier if Jason was known to have such a condition.
As for the '09 remake being a favorite? Not for me. I liked Derek Mears' portrayal of Jason, as I always preferred hunter/stalker Jason over undead/zombie Jason. And Derek did an admirable job of portraying Jason in that respect. But everything else about the movie sucked. A good Jason cannot save a bad movie.
And did you actually post on the previous thread that the original was one of the worst in the series? How can you say that? Maybe it's not your favorite, but there's no way it can be one of the worst.
I don't think Jason was meant to be supernatural in 2, 3, and 4. I think he was meant to be just a super tough human, but still human. I've posted in this thread before that there are actual cases of real people suffering similar injuries and surviving. Granted Jason shrugs off the effects unrealistically easily, but it is a Slasher film after all. An there is an actual medical condition that could allow someone to ignore such injuries, at least to a point, and thus suspension of disbelief is a little easier if Jason was known to have such a condition.
He is brought to a hospital and subjected to a radical treatment which cuts the nerves of the spinothalamic tract, so physical pain is no longer felt. However, he also loses his tactile sensation. Removing this sensory input gives him enhanced strength due to adrenal overload and keeps his injuries from incapacitating him, but it also mentally destabilizes him.
--- Plot point from DARKMAN [1990]
Correction. Jason drowned in the original movie, a fact that was retconned in Part 2 to him washing up on shore on the other side of the lake and growing up alone in the wilderness. They don't quite say as much, but it is heavily implied in Paul's campfire story. If he was meant to be a supernatural being from the very start, the Legend of Camp Blood would be "Some say that his spirit still haunts these woods, looking for the counselor who decapitated hi mother" and not "His body was never found after he drowned. If you listen to the old timers in town they'll tell you he's still out there, some kind of demented creature."That is very true regarding the medical condition, but given the fact that, unlike the reboot which establishes Jason didn't drown, in the original continuity he actually does, I believe there was a supernatural aura about him. Maybe not to the extent after he was resurrected & became immune to death entirely, but it was always there. FVJ even backs up him drowning, so for him to have done so and to have come back after Pamela's death does sort of support him being somewhat supernatural.
The characters were all either bland or plain unlikeable. The movie lacked any suspense. And the girls were all too pretty. I know, the last one seems like a strange complaint. But in the original movies the girls all had a natural "girl next door" look to them. In the remake they looked like a bunch of Victoria's Secret models on vacation. The girls in the original movies were more believable.To each their own but I found the overall film to be in the same vein as the original movies. Young adults venture into the woods, Jason stalks them and then kills them. Sure, it wasn't something mind-blowingly different or the absolute best of the series, but imo, it wasn't a bad movie at all. It had some likable characters and a simple yet serviceable plot.
Sorry, that's just my opinion. I've always found parts two, three and four to be better movies. The original has way too many flaws and doesn't ever pull off the successful "whodunit" angle. Early in the film all potential suspects are eliminated when the killer/Pamela is shown watching them all at once. Add that to the fact Cunningham was against actually showing Pamela anywhere at all until the big reveal. The film also does a poor job of establishing that Alice is meant to be the main character. First the focus is on Annie where they try to unsuccessfully mimic what was done with Janet Leigh in Psycho. Then the focus shifts to Kevin Bacon's character and his girlfriend, and only towards the end is Alice shown to be the "protagonist."
Not to mention the awful showdown between Pamela and Alice, of which the only interesting bit is the decapitation.
I do enjoy the original, don't get me wrong. But by no means is it a good film. And I do find parts two, three, four, six and the reboot to be better made films.
Hell, even part 5 accomplishes the "whodunit" angle far better than the original does. It's still one of the weaker entries of the series, but at least part five gives you actual suspects as to who the killer could be since it's not Jason.
Sam Winchester, Grace van Pelt, and Killer Frost were all likeable enough.
I know, the last one seems like a strange complaint. But in the original movies the girls all had a natural "girl next door" look to them. In the remake they looked like a bunch of Victoria's Secret models on vacation. The girls in the original movies were more believable.