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The Friday The 13th Movies Thread - Part 2

Took these back when I used to paint Jason masks:

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Hnnnnng, this is why I hate the fact that they never went through with making a sequel to the 2009 remake.

The winter scenario would be visually stunning.
 
It ended up in development hell, I believe.
 
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.

Also it made money I believe?
 
The 2009 film IMO is one of the better horror remakes, and one of my favorites. I love how brutal the first like 10-15 mins is even before the title card. I feel like of the main 4 (TCM, Friday, Nightmare, Halloween) TCM and Friday had the better remakes.
 
The 2009 film IMO is one of the better horror remakes, and one of my favorites. I love how brutal the first like 10-15 mins is even before the title card. I feel like of the main 4 (TCM, Friday, Nightmare, Halloween) TCM and Friday had the better remakes.

The new one was ok I mean it had its flaws. They tried some new things that I think worked that others didn't care for but at the end of the day I feel like none of these actual movies can be remade or rebooted because it's hard to come up with fresh ideas for classic and iconic horror icons. I loved the idea they tried using in Jason goes to hell the final Friday combine that with the original and ms voorhes deal with the devil or something and it could be a different refreshing spin on old material.
 
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.

Also it made money I believe?

It did great, actually. Had a weekend that resulted in exactly $40,570,365 & ended up grossing $91,379,051 worldwide, making it second only in the series to Freddy vs. Jason.
 
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.

Also it made money I believe?

enjoyed the 2009 remake

loved the scaled down tone
 
I thought the 2009 entry was decent.
Im up in the air if I liked the idea of their portrayal of Jason.
What I exactly mean is, they showed Jason being like a Rambo soldier who acquired these survivalist skills living in the woods.
In theory, you can say that would be the most believable idea for Jason.
But.........do we want believable for Friday the 13th?
 
Personally I really liked it, they didn't remove him being insanely hard to kill since he survived the chipper, but I loved him having tripwires ringing bells to tell him exactly where people were, was a cool way to explain him always knowing where his next victims were, helps that I was never a big fan of Zombie Jason after part 6 (Or of any of the movies after part 6), he basically became a Michael Myers knockoff but less intelligent and seemingly able to teleport offscreen. I think the 2009 remake did a cool thing using Jason's environment and him having to have survived in it alone for so long to develop what kind of killer he is, he may be mentally handicapped, but he knows the forest, he knows how to survive in it, and he knows how to hunt and kill. Everything he does in the film seem like things he'd naturally have developed some aptitude for growing up. It set him apart from Michael and Freddy without seeming out of character (at least to me).
I think being more believable is actually the best direction for them to go with F13/Jason, the more supernatural and unbelievable elements have a history of not meshing too well with the franchise. The first 4 films and the remake are my favorites in the franchise because they kept things simple and Jason was at his most believable.
 
Im not sure

my personal favorite F13 is Part 6

wherein Jason is bought back to life like Frankenstein
 
Personally I really liked it, they didn't remove him being insanely hard to kill since he survived the chipper, but I loved him having tripwires ringing bells to tell him exactly where people were, was a cool way to explain him always knowing where his next victims were, helps that I was never a big fan of Zombie Jason after part 6 (Or of any of the movies after part 6), he basically became a Michael Myers knockoff but less intelligent and seemingly able to teleport offscreen. I think the 2009 remake did a cool thing using Jason's environment and him having to have survived in it alone for so long to develop what kind of killer he is, he may be mentally handicapped, but he knows the forest, he knows how to survive in it, and he knows how to hunt and kill. Everything he does in the film seem like things he'd naturally have developed some aptitude for growing up. It set him apart from Michael and Freddy without seeming out of character (at least to me).
I think being more believable is actually the best direction for them to go with F13/Jason, the more supernatural and unbelievable elements have a history of not meshing too well with the franchise. The first 4 films and the remake are my favorites in the franchise because they kept things simple and Jason was at his most believable.

I think it can work with having a supernatural Jason as evidenced by parts two, three and four. Even before he died (again) he was taking damage he shouldn't have been able to otherwise survive. A machete to the shoulder, axe to the head, etc. I do agree they should tone it down while keeping an air of invincibility about him, but imo, they shouldn't ever try to do away with it completely.

As for the '09 film, it's definitely a top favorite following two, three and four. I liked the hunter aspect to Jason, that he knew archery and set up bear traps for people. Derek Mears fully understood what to do, and imo he is the best Jason to date.

My only "issue" with the reboot is that I kind of wish Jason had wore the sack longer. It made him look far more intimidating.
 
ambiguously supernatural

no weird ass heart worms, no explanation

just a dude that can take a licking and keep on ticking
 
Which is a shame. I saw that movie in theatres and I quite liked it. Also the other people there seemed to be into it as well.

Also it made money I believe?

Yeah, it had a great first weekend (was released on a Friday the 13th) - then dropped pretty bad. Regardless it still made it's money back and was a success.

I liked the 2009 film. It had everything a F13 movie should have and probably had one of the best stories in the series. Would like a sequel set in the winter.
 
I think it can work with having a supernatural Jason as evidenced by parts two, three and four. Even before he died (again) he was taking damage he shouldn't have been able to otherwise survive. A machete to the shoulder, axe to the head, etc. I do agree they should tone it down while keeping an air of invincibility about him, but imo, they shouldn't ever try to do away with it completely.

As for the '09 film, it's definitely a top favorite following two, three and four. I liked the hunter aspect to Jason, that he knew archery and set up bear traps for people. Derek Mears fully understood what to do, and imo he is the best Jason to date.

My only "issue" with the reboot is that I kind of wish Jason had wore the sack longer. It made him look far more intimidating.


I don't think Jason was meant to be supernatural in 2, 3, and 4. I think he was meant to be just a super tough human, but still human. I've posted in this thread before that there are actual cases of real people suffering similar injuries and surviving. Granted Jason shrugs off the effects unrealistically easily, but it is a Slasher film after all. An there is an actual medical condition that could allow someone to ignore such injuries, at least to a point, and thus suspension of disbelief is a little easier if Jason was known to have such a condition.

As for the '09 remake being a favorite? Not for me. I liked Derek Mears' portrayal of Jason, as I always preferred hunter/stalker Jason over undead/zombie Jason. And Derek did an admirable job of portraying Jason in that respect. But everything else about the movie sucked. A good Jason cannot save a bad movie.

And did you actually post on the previous thread that the original was one of the worst in the series? How can you say that? Maybe it's not your favorite, but there's no way it can be one of the worst.
 
I don't think Jason was meant to be supernatural in 2, 3, and 4. I think he was meant to be just a super tough human, but still human. I've posted in this thread before that there are actual cases of real people suffering similar injuries and surviving. Granted Jason shrugs off the effects unrealistically easily, but it is a Slasher film after all. An there is an actual medical condition that could allow someone to ignore such injuries, at least to a point, and thus suspension of disbelief is a little easier if Jason was known to have such a condition.

That is very true regarding the medical condition, but given the fact that, unlike the reboot which establishes Jason didn't drown, in the original continuity he actually does, I believe there was a supernatural aura about him. Maybe not to the extent after he was resurrected & became immune to death entirely, but it was always there. FVJ even backs up him drowning, so for him to have done so and to have come back after Pamela's death does sort of support him being somewhat supernatural.

As for the '09 remake being a favorite? Not for me. I liked Derek Mears' portrayal of Jason, as I always preferred hunter/stalker Jason over undead/zombie Jason. And Derek did an admirable job of portraying Jason in that respect. But everything else about the movie sucked. A good Jason cannot save a bad movie.

To each their own but I found the overall film to be in the same vein as the original movies. Young adults venture into the woods, Jason stalks them and then kills them. Sure, it wasn't something mind-blowingly different or the absolute best of the series, but imo, it wasn't a bad movie at all. It had some likable characters and a simple yet serviceable plot.

And did you actually post on the previous thread that the original was one of the worst in the series? How can you say that? Maybe it's not your favorite, but there's no way it can be one of the worst.

Sorry, that's just my opinion. I've always found parts two, three and four to be better movies. The original has way too many flaws and doesn't ever pull off the successful "whodunit" angle. Early in the film all potential suspects are eliminated when the killer/Pamela is shown watching them all at once. Add that to the fact Cunningham was against actually showing Pamela anywhere at all until the big reveal. The film also does a poor job of establishing that Alice is meant to be the main character. First the focus is on Annie where they try to unsuccessfully mimic what was done with Janet Leigh in Psycho. Then the focus shifts to Kevin Bacon's character and his girlfriend, and only towards the end is Alice shown to be the "protagonist."

Not to mention the awful showdown between Pamela and Alice, of which the only interesting bit is the decapitation.

I do enjoy the original, don't get me wrong. But by no means is it a good film. And I do find parts two, three, four, six and the reboot to be better made films.

Hell, even part 5 accomplishes the "whodunit" angle far better than the original does. It's still one of the weaker entries of the series, but at least part five gives you actual suspects as to who the killer could be since it's not Jason.
 
I don't think Jason was meant to be supernatural in 2, 3, and 4. I think he was meant to be just a super tough human, but still human. I've posted in this thread before that there are actual cases of real people suffering similar injuries and surviving. Granted Jason shrugs off the effects unrealistically easily, but it is a Slasher film after all. An there is an actual medical condition that could allow someone to ignore such injuries, at least to a point, and thus suspension of disbelief is a little easier if Jason was known to have such a condition.

He is brought to a hospital and subjected to a radical treatment which cuts the nerves of the spinothalamic tract, so physical pain is no longer felt. However, he also loses his tactile sensation. Removing this sensory input gives him enhanced strength due to adrenal overload and keeps his injuries from incapacitating him, but it also mentally destabilizes him.
--- Plot point from DARKMAN [1990]
 
He is brought to a hospital and subjected to a radical treatment which cuts the nerves of the spinothalamic tract, so physical pain is no longer felt. However, he also loses his tactile sensation. Removing this sensory input gives him enhanced strength due to adrenal overload and keeps his injuries from incapacitating him, but it also mentally destabilizes him.
--- Plot point from DARKMAN [1990]

The villain in The World Is Not Enough also had a similar condition, I believe caused by being shot in the head. And Maniac Cop also felt no pain due to severe brain damage from extended lack of oxygen. In an episode of House MD, House treats a teenage girl who was born with the condition.

And while technically he doesn't actually have said medical condition, with the amount of physical abuse Mick Foley has taken over the course of his wrestling career you would probably think that he did. Just look at his Hell In A Cell match against The Undertaker. He gets thrown from the top of the cage through the Spanish announce table to the floor (pre-planned but still resulting in a dislocated shoulder and bruised kidney). A minute later he gets up, CLIMBS THE CAGE, and continues the match. Then when The Undertaker choke slams Mick through the top of the cage (completely unplanned) to the ring below giving Mick a concussion, a dislocated jaw, a lacerated lower lip, and knocked out two of his bottom teeth (one of which became lodged in his nostril). And what did Mick do? HE FINISHED THE DAMN MATCH!

So maybe Jason Voorhees is just a tough SOB like Mrs Foley's baby boy.
 
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That is very true regarding the medical condition, but given the fact that, unlike the reboot which establishes Jason didn't drown, in the original continuity he actually does, I believe there was a supernatural aura about him. Maybe not to the extent after he was resurrected & became immune to death entirely, but it was always there. FVJ even backs up him drowning, so for him to have done so and to have come back after Pamela's death does sort of support him being somewhat supernatural.
Correction. Jason drowned in the original movie, a fact that was retconned in Part 2 to him washing up on shore on the other side of the lake and growing up alone in the wilderness. They don't quite say as much, but it is heavily implied in Paul's campfire story. If he was meant to be a supernatural being from the very start, the Legend of Camp Blood would be "Some say that his spirit still haunts these woods, looking for the counselor who decapitated hi mother" and not "His body was never found after he drowned. If you listen to the old timers in town they'll tell you he's still out there, some kind of demented creature."
To each their own but I found the overall film to be in the same vein as the original movies. Young adults venture into the woods, Jason stalks them and then kills them. Sure, it wasn't something mind-blowingly different or the absolute best of the series, but imo, it wasn't a bad movie at all. It had some likable characters and a simple yet serviceable plot.
The characters were all either bland or plain unlikeable. The movie lacked any suspense. And the girls were all too pretty. I know, the last one seems like a strange complaint. But in the original movies the girls all had a natural "girl next door" look to them. In the remake they looked like a bunch of Victoria's Secret models on vacation. The girls in the original movies were more believable.
Sorry, that's just my opinion. I've always found parts two, three and four to be better movies. The original has way too many flaws and doesn't ever pull off the successful "whodunit" angle. Early in the film all potential suspects are eliminated when the killer/Pamela is shown watching them all at once. Add that to the fact Cunningham was against actually showing Pamela anywhere at all until the big reveal. The film also does a poor job of establishing that Alice is meant to be the main character. First the focus is on Annie where they try to unsuccessfully mimic what was done with Janet Leigh in Psycho. Then the focus shifts to Kevin Bacon's character and his girlfriend, and only towards the end is Alice shown to be the "protagonist."

Not to mention the awful showdown between Pamela and Alice, of which the only interesting bit is the decapitation.

I do enjoy the original, don't get me wrong. But by no means is it a good film. And I do find parts two, three, four, six and the reboot to be better made films.

Hell, even part 5 accomplishes the "whodunit" angle far better than the original does. It's still one of the weaker entries of the series, but at least part five gives you actual suspects as to who the killer could be since it's not Jason.

It's not meant to be a "whodunit" in the sense of "which of these established characters is the killer?" It's meant to be "who's killing these kids and why?" And in that respect I think they did a good job.

Personally I liked that it wasn't made obvious that Alice was the protagonist right off the bat. When the writers basically beat it into your skull that "This is the fina girl and everyone else is just machete fodder" I find that to be too predictable. And predictable = boring IMO.

Parts 2, 3, 4, 6, and the remake might be better made films in the sense that they had bigger budgets and thus more resources. But bigger budgets don't always = better movies. The first movie had better pacing, more relatable/likeable characters, is more suspenseful, and in many ways is better written. But that's my opinion.
 
There's definitely a supernatural aura about Jason in the early movies. By the time part 3 comes it seemed obvious, especially where Chris shoves him out of the top of the barn with a noose around his neck, and we hear his neck snap and all when he hits the bottom. Then he's left hanging there by the neck for a couple of minutes, and eventually just unhooks himself from the noose as if it was nothing. He even lifts up his mask to taunt Chris while he's doing it.
 
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The remake character's were no more or less bland than any other F13 film. Because, out of the "big three" that's the franchise that suffers from "characters who are just there to die" syndrome most of all.

Sam Winchester, Grace van Pelt, and Killer Frost were all likeable enough. The Chinese guy was actually really fun, and even the "*****e BF" plays a "*****e" quite well. And the others were, alright.

It also had my favorite visual design for Jason as well.
 
I know, the last one seems like a strange complaint. But in the original movies the girls all had a natural "girl next door" look to them. In the remake they looked like a bunch of Victoria's Secret models on vacation. The girls in the original movies were more believable.

Isn't that just a sign of the times, though? I find that the "girl next door" type was more prevalent in the 70's and early 80's.
 

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