The Friday The 13th Movies Thread - Part 2

[Broseph44]

Isn't that just a sign of the times, though? I find that the "girl next door" type was more prevalent in the 70's and early 80's.

It's definitely a just a sign of the times. You don't really see the girl next door type anymore.

 

[Loki882]

Honestly they all look very "80's" to me. Which is fine because, well product of the times and all that. But it's simply that they're two different time periods and styles have changed.

I'm sure if they were to make another one of these in like 2040 or something, they'd look different there from how they look now as well.

 

[Loki882]

I got that reference!!!

Yeah these horror remakes seem to love using those kinds of actors. I mean Laurel Lance showed up in the remakes of Black Christmas, When a Stranger Calls, AND A Nightmare on Elm street. And she was the main character of that first one and one of the best parts of that last one.

Also Dawn Summers was in the BC remake as well, as was Ramona Flowers and Princess Leia (RIP).

Oh and Dean Winchester was in the My Bloody Valentine remake.

 

[Wildcard]

There's definitely a supernatural aura about Jason in the early movies. By the time part 3 comes it seemed obvious, especially where Chris shoves him out of the top of the barn with a noose around his neck, and we hear his neck snap and all when he hits the bottom. Then he's left hanging there by the neck for a couple of minutes, and eventually just unhooks himself from the noose as if it was nothing. He even lifts up his mask to taunt Chris while he's doing it.

I love that moment because Jason even has a little smile on his face as if to say "yeah, it's me" considering he attacked her before.

Speaking of said attack, still weird that they chose to make Jason a rapist in part three. Always thought that was an odd choice, to say the least.

 

[The Joker]

Well they never actually said he raped her. The story was he attacked her, she blacked out, and woke up at home.

 

[Wildcard]

Well they never actually said he raped her. The story was he attacked her, she blacked out, and woke up at home.

When I was a kid and obsessed with the movies I remember doing some research and saw a quote on another forum where the filmmakers confirmed that was the original intention. IIRC they had even originally filmed it to be explicitly stated, but got cold feet and cut it down to what it became.

Even then, it's kind of all there. The way he attacks her is completely different. She kicks the knife away and he just lunges for her and drags her way. Then, she says her parents didn't ever speak about it. If they found her in that condition, I can understand why they didn't bring it up.

 

[The Joker]

Have you ever read this book;

It's like the bible of the F13 franchise. Loaded with info, behind the scenes pics, and tons of interviews with the cast and directors. Nowhere in the chapter on part 3 does anyone mention anything about that scene originally intending to be rape. The only scene in part 3 they mention that was intended to be different originally is Chris getting beheaded by Jason at the end.

I don't see him lunging for her and attacking her like that any different to him lunging through the window at Ginny at the end of Part 2. Or Tommy in part 4. Or even lunging out of the water and just dragging Alice into the lake at the end of part 1.

 

[StarLord]

^ Peter Bracke is a cool dude and an encylopedia of knowledge about the series. He's done great commentaries on Parts III-VI, which you can find on YouTube.

 

[Wildcard]

Have you ever read this book;

It's like the bible of the F13 franchise. Loaded with info, behind the scenes pics, and tons of interviews with the cast and directors. Nowhere in the chapter on part 3 does anyone mention anything about that scene originally intending to be rape. The only scene in part 3 they mention that was intended to be different originally is Chris getting beheaded by Jason at the end.

I don't see him lunging for her and attacking her like that any different to him lunging through the window at Ginny at the end of Part 2. Or Tommy in part 4. Or even lunging out of the water and just dragging Alice into the lake at the end of part 1.

Yes, I've read the book. I wouldn't particularly imagine it was vital for them to mention it in it. Either way, all of those instances are different. He lunges at Ginny through the window after she hits him with a machete and unmasks him. He goes for Tommy to kill him, and Alice in part 1 had to have been a dream, as there's no way Jason could've still been a child some 20+ years after his drowning.

With Chris, during that flashback he makes no attempt to actually harm her. Instead, he's trying to restrain her and drag her way. Given that no one else is present, it falls in line with that mode of thinking and is likely the only reason she was left alive.

 

[The Joker]

Why wouldn't it be vital to mention it? It's a very significant scene because it is key to Chris' character story, the history she has with Jason, and why she went back to Higgins Haven to face her demons. Not to mention rape is no small thing, and if they were ever toying with the idea of sending Jason's character in a direction like that it would definitely merit some mentioning. Especially considering how out of character it would be for him.

The fact he came at her with a knife shows intent to harm her. Just because he was dragging her away after she kicked his knife out of his hand doesn't mean he had no intent to kill her. There's no implication of rape in the movie, or from anyone associated with the movie from what I've seen and read.

 

[Thundarr]

The remake character's were no more or less bland than any other F13 film. Because, out of the "big three" that's the franchise that suffers from "characters who are just there to die" syndrome most of all.

I agree that Friday The 13th films suffer more from the "characters who are just meant to die syndrome" than the other franchises. But I found the characters from the first four films of the original series far more engaging, more entertaining, more relatable, and more likeable than those in the remake. At least those characters I can imagine hanging out together. I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to spend a few minutes hanging out with Trent, let alone spend their entire vacation with him.

Sam Winchester, Grace van Pelt, and Killer Frost were all likeable enough. The Chinese guy was actually really fun, and even the "*****e BF" plays a "*****e" quite well. And the others were, alright.

The only reference here I didn't get is Grace van Pelt.

Sam Winchester & Killer Frost were dull as dirt. The Chinese stoner was annoying as hell. And Trent, while the actor did a great job in playing him as a total *****e, was such a total knob I don't get why ANY of the other characters wanted to spend their vacations with him.

It also had my favorite visual design for Jason as well.

No arguments from me on this one. Derek Mears' portrayal of Jason was the only thing about this movie that I actually like. I still won't be buying it on DVD, but Jason did look great in this movie.

 

[Wildcard]

Why wouldn't it be vital to mention it? It's a very significant scene because it is key to Chris' character story, the history she has with Jason, and why she went back to Higgins Haven to face her demons. Not to mention rape is no small thing, and if they were ever toying with the idea of sending Jason's character in a direction like that it would definitely merit some mentioning. Especially considering how out of character it would be for him.

The fact he came at her with a knife shows intent to harm her. Just because he was dragging her away after she kicked his knife out of his hand doesn't mean he had no intent to kill her. There's no implication of rape in the movie, or from anyone associated with the movie from what I've seen and read.

You pretty much just said it: rape is no small thing, it's very important, hence why the filmmakers backpedaled on it at the last minute. I guarantee that this isn't something I've made up to fit my narrative. If I can, I'll find and post the snippet that I saw but I assure you that was the original intention.

Jason coming at a knife can also be seen as an intimidation factor. Immediately, Chris kicks the knife away but it phases Jason not a bit and he continues after her. She recounts kicking and screaming and ultimately fainting, later awakening in her bed and her parents deciding not to speak on the incident.

That right there implies what they initially intended: rape. Sure, it doesn't fit Jason's character but that's what was written originally before they got cold feet. Again, that's the only reason she could possibly survive such an encounter when no one else has.

Chris was defenseless, fighting to the best of her ability to no success and then she faints and the last thing she remembers is being dragged off by a mongoloid. Even with the edits, the direction suggests said approach. Again, why else wouldn't her parents ever reference the incident? Finding your daughter in such a state isn't exactly an element you'd be willing to revisit.

Given Jason's history, method of execution and everything else, rape is really the only thing this situation can account for. He was alone with Chris, and even without a knife had the capability to murder her without second thought. Why didn't he? Because that wasn't his intention per the writers.

 

[Greens]

Whether he raped her or not, that flashback sequence has always been unintentionally funny to me. Just the way Jason stumbles like a slapstick character.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

 

[Arachnerd]

What... what is that? I think I'm in need of a magnifying glass.

 

[The Joker]

You pretty much just said it: rape is no small thing, it's very important, hence why the filmmakers backpedaled on it at the last minute. I guarantee that this isn't something I've made up to fit my narrative. If I can, I'll find and post the snippet that I saw but I assure you that was the original intention.

Jason coming at a knife can also be seen as an intimidation factor. Immediately, Chris kicks the knife away but it phases Jason not a bit and he continues after her. She recounts kicking and screaming and ultimately fainting, later awakening in her bed and her parents deciding not to speak on the incident.

That right there implies what they initially intended: rape. Sure, it doesn't fit Jason's character but that's what was written originally before they got cold feet. Again, that's the only reason she could possibly survive such an encounter when no one else has.

Chris was defenseless, fighting to the best of her ability to no success and then she faints and the last thing she remembers is being dragged off by a mongoloid. Even with the edits, the direction suggests said approach. Again, why else wouldn't her parents ever reference the incident? Finding your daughter in such a state isn't exactly an element you'd be willing to revisit.

Given Jason's history, method of execution and everything else, rape is really the only thing this situation can account for. He was alone with Chris, and even without a knife had the capability to murder her without second thought. Why didn't he? Because that wasn't his intention per the writers.

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying if such a confirmation exists it has not been in any piece of F13 literature, or interview that I have ever read. And I've read many. Especially for part 3 which is my personal favorite one of the series, so I tend to read more about that one than any of the others. So if there is some official confirmation from someone associated with the movies I'd love to see it.

Jason doesn't need a knife for intimidation factor. He was maskless in the scene. One look at that face would intimidate anyone. She's a defenseless girl. He doesn't need any weapon to scare her.

You're placing way too much emphasis on the parents never talking about it. If there was a rapist running around out there who violated their daughter they'd be asking her what the bastard looked like so they could nail him. Furthermore why would Jason have to drag her away to rape her. Why not just do it there. They were alone in the middle of the woods. Did he want a more romantic venue by the lake in order to do it or something?

Given Jason's history up to part 3 when that scene was written, nothing implies rape. He never tried to sexually violate any of the girls in part 2. Why would he start and end with Chris? What was so special about her?

 

[Wildcard]

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying if such a confirmation exists it has not been in any piece of F13 literature, or interview that I have ever read. And I've read many. Especially for part 3 which is my personal favorite one of the series, so I tend to read more about that one than any of the others. So if there is some official confirmation from someone associated with the movies I'd love to see it.

Jason doesn't need a knife for intimidation factor. He was maskless in the scene. One look at that face would intimidate anyone. She's a defenseless girl. He doesn't need any weapon to scare her.

Oh, it's all cool. I could understand one being skeptical so I get where you're coming from. Part 3's a favorite of mine too, which is incidentally how I came upon the fact. I remember where I saw it so I'm going to try to find and post it here. Hopefully it's still available, would love to share.

And while true, Jason is a weapons man, he loves to use them. He doesn't need them, but he'll always use them. Except in that instance where he loses it and could easily reclaim it but instead lunges right for Chris.

You're placing way too much emphasis on the parents never talking about it. If there was a rapist running around out there who violated their daughter they'd be asking her what the bastard looked like so they could nail him. Furthermore why would Jason have to drag her away to rape her. Why not just do it there. They were alone in the middle of the woods. Did he want a more romantic venue by the lake in order to do it or something?

Given Jason's history up to part 3 when that scene was written, nothing implies rape. He never tried to sexually violate any of the girls in part 2. Why would he start and end with Chris? What was so special about her?

We can't say for certain they'd do that. There is another chance they'd be so mortified by the fact that they wouldn't want to revisit or even bring it up to Chris anymore, especially considering her already fragile state. Just look at how she reacts after she takes Jason down and the police save her: she's completely broken. So a tidbit like that could've accelerated that process and perhaps her parents knew that.

Plus, the flashback is meant to have happened years ago, meaning it was before he even interacted with the girls of part two. And Jason did die as a child due to his counselors having sex. Perhaps it was just good ole fashioned curiosity?

 

[Blue42]

Paramount Pulls Friday The 13th Off Schedule

This movie is never happening....

 

[TheCommissioner]

I say ditch the wilderness/summer camp thing - since that's not a thing anymore

have someone put luxury condos, fill in half the lake, like really go full capitalist

and then have Jason show up and murder everyone IN THE FACE

 

[KillerMcQueen]

How on Earth is it this hard for a F13 film to get made? They don't exactly require huge amounts of money, incredible talent, or long shoots, they're low budget slasher films, not high budget, high risk blockbusters.

 

[Wildcard]

Paramount Pulls Friday The 13th Off Schedule

This movie is never happening....

Hate to say I told you so...

 

[brandeezy89]

This or WWZ2 isn't happening anytime soon

 

[The Joker]

Oh, it's all cool. I could understand one being skeptical so I get where you're coming from. Part 3's a favorite of mine too, which is incidentally how I came upon the fact. I remember where I saw it so I'm going to try to find and post it here. Hopefully it's still available, would love to share.

Good, because I really would love to read the rationalization behind it.

And while true, Jason is a weapons man, he loves to use them. He doesn't need them, but he'll always use them. Except in that instance where he loses it and could easily reclaim it but instead lunges right for Chris.

He lunged for Ginny through the window in part 2 without a weapon. And at Tommy in part 4. He doesn't always have a weapon in hand. In fact he is totally weaponless when he is chasing Trish in part 4. Even when he is wrestling her to the ground at the end right before Tommy kills him. He is just wrestling with her on the floor and she is freaking out trying to get away from him.

We can't say for certain they'd do that. There is another chance they'd be so mortified by the fact that they wouldn't want to revisit or even bring it up to Chris anymore, especially considering her already fragile state. Just look at how she reacts after she takes Jason down and the police save her: she's completely broken. So a tidbit like that could've accelerated that process and perhaps her parents knew that.

There's a huge difference between what she went through in part 3 and the brief encounter with Jason in her flashback. All her friends were murdered, and she was chased relentlessly by the killer. Can't compare that to being dragged along the ground for a minute and then blacking out.

Plus, the flashback is meant to have happened years ago, meaning it was before he even interacted with the girls of part two. And Jason did die as a child due to his counselors having sex. Perhaps it was just good ole fashioned curiosity?

That makes no sense. Why would he become curious about sex just because the counselors were doing it while he drowned? If they were playing chess when he drowned would that mean he was interested in that lol.

 

[TheVileOne]

I recall in the 2009 reboot, they showed him having all these sports trophies in his cabin implying that he was a strong study in camp activities.

 

[mclay18]

Not only is the film undated but Paramount has halted preproduction.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/friday-13th-reboot-shut-down-972644

It seems like Paramount will just let the 50% rights revert back to Warner Brothers next year. Seriously, a F13 film should be $10M or less... not much higher than the Paranormal Activity franchise entries. They should take the rights away from Platinum Dunes and get Blumhouse on it.