The future of the PS3 and the Playstation brand

[amazingfantasy15]

How is MS going to go further ahead than they are now? Outside of Mass Effect, name an exclusive that matches better than a PS exclusive. Cant, and with Rachet and Clank, its hard to say that Mass Effect has one.

Sony has sold just as many PS3's as MS sold 360's in its first year. I'm pretty sure that the gap WILL close with MS already having pushed their biggest franchise out of the way. Sony has not.

I'm sure Microsoft has more killer apps on the way, right now though all their marketing is going towards games that will be released for the busiest shopping time of the year, instead of telling everyone to just sit tight you'll have your great games in just a few months. Just like Nintendo, you think the only games on the horizon next year for the Wii is Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart? Of course not, in the Spring we'll hear about their big, exclusive or first party games. Even if none of them come out till next fall, there are still plenty of great third party games that'll be released.

Another thing is, I've still got all those already released great games with online play or enough replayability in single player mode to make them more than worth it, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Bioshock, Halo 3, just off the top of my head offer plenty of replay value.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

More exclusives that i´ve forgotten:

-Ninja Gaiden 2, how could i have forgotten this one
-Lost Odyssey
-Splinter Cell: Conviction
-Banjo Kazooie 3
-Too Human
-Golden Axe: Beast Rider (new Golden Axe game, that´s big news)

I know that i´m coming out as a xbox fanboy, but i´m not, i plan of getting a PS3 in 2008, the thing is, with all arrogance by Sony, at this time, i can´t stand them for a bit.
But because it´s all about the games, i´m going to get one next year..

Is Splinter Cell exclusive to the 360? The last Splinter Cell wasn't

 

[Zenien]

Lost Odessy won't be anything compared to FFXIII
Splinter Cell was already hinted at beinga timed exclusive, and oh well if the PS3 doesn't get it
Rare sucks
Golden Axe isn't exclusive and its quality is in doubt...
Fable 2 might sell some consoles, but it's hardly worth mentioning if Fable 1 is anything to go by.
Biowares last game sucked, but Mass Effect looks like it will be a return to form.

 

[GFreeman]

You still hate Jade Empire? Disgusting.

And splinter cell won't be an exclusive. The first one was "exclusive" too...and then jumped ship a few months later. They're all multiplatform.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Lost Odessy won't be anything compared to FFXIII
Splinter Cell was already hinted at beinga timed exclusive, and oh well if the PS3 doesn't get it
Rare sucks
Golden Axe isn't exclusive and its quality is in doubt...
Fable 2 might sell some consoles, but it's hardly worth mentioning if Fable 1 is anything to go by.
Biowares last game sucked, but Mass Effect looks like it will be a return to form.

-Lost Odyssey can suck for all we know, the game hasn´t come out yet, but you know that the it´s from the new formed company by the maker of Final Fantasy and viewed as one of the greatest storytellers in gaming, right?
It might not happen, but i believe that, if anyone can beat FF and Square is the guy that created "both" (Square only exist today because of him).
Mistwalker can very well be the new Square for all we know...
- It´s what i´ve read, but if Splinter Cell is not an exclusive, so be it.
- I´m not even coment with the "Rare sucks" crap, i can buy the "Rare is out of form", but crap...........
- I didn´t even knew that there was a Golden Axe in the making, i just found out, and i found also that the Wii and PS3 version was cancelled.

And the last two just shows how pathetic you are (in this post at least).
Fable is made by Peter Molyneux....that alone should make you shut up and wait for the it before saying anything.
So Fable was not all that could have been, big deal, Molyneux is still one of the holy trinity of gaming (the others being Sid Meier and Will Wright).
Gaming is what it is because of those three....
And Bioware.......Bioware is only one of the 3 best dev teams ever, with a prestige and reputation that few can accomplish in their live time.
Bioware is among the Gods of video games, right next to Blizzard.

 

[KALEL114]

Sega confirms Golden Axe is still on track for PS3

Recent reports from Xboxygen.com and Kotaku.com, have led people to believe that Golden Axe: Beast Rider had become an Xbox 360 exclusive. However this is not the case.

PSU.com has contacted Sega directly and received word that Secret Level is working on both an Xbox 360 and a PS3 version.

When asked if Secret Level had dropped the PS3 version of Golden Axe, Sega's Danny Chiu responded stating, "Not true, it's coming to PS3 as well."

So that should clear things up, everyone can expect both a PS3 version and Xbox 360 version next year when the game hits stores late in 2008.

Stay tuned to PSU for all your Golden Axe updates.
http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=75821

FYI. I don't know where you get your Info from, but this a great site to keep in your favorites.
www.n4g.com

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Sega confirms Golden Axe is still on track for PS3

Recent reports from Xboxygen.com and Kotaku.com, have led people to believe that Golden Axe: Beast Rider had become an Xbox 360 exclusive. However this is not the case.

PSU.com has contacted Sega directly and received word that Secret Level is working on both an Xbox 360 and a PS3 version.

When asked if Secret Level had dropped the PS3 version of Golden Axe, Sega's Danny Chiu responded stating, "Not true, it's coming to PS3 as well."

So that should clear things up, everyone can expect both a PS3 version and Xbox 360 version next year when the game hits stores late in 2008.

Stay tuned to PSU for all your Golden Axe updates.
http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut.aspx?ObjID=75821

FYI. I don't know where you get your Info from, but this a great site to keep in your favorites.
www.n4g.com

Yeah, i´ve read that it was a 360 exclusive in Xboxygen. If it´s not is not, good for both consoles....or bad.

 

[hippie_hunter]

- It´s what i´ve read, but if Splinter Cell is not an exclusive, so be it.

I'm pretty sure that the next Splinter Cell game will be exclusive to the Xbox 360. While most of UbiSoft's games will be multiplatform, it seems like they're willing to do a few exclusive games for all three systems this generation.

- I´m not even coment with the "Rare sucks" crap, i can buy the "Rare is out of form", but crap...........

Rare used to be good when they were with Nintendo, but they suck now.

Microsoft has been very generous to them concerning how they closed down Digital Anvil and FASA after only one or two commercial failures. Every single one of Rare's games under Microsoft have been commercially underwhelming and most of them aren't very well recieved like Rare's earlier games.

So Fable was not all that could have been, big deal, Molyneux is still one of the holy trinity of gaming (the others being Sid Meier and Will Wright).
Gaming is what it is because of those three....

There is no way that is the Holy Trinity of Gaming. That goes to Shigeru Miyamoto, Gumpei Yokoi, and a pre-egotistical and insane Ken Kutaragi. The entire industry is what it is today because of those three men.

And Bioware.......Bioware is only one of the 3 best dev teams ever, with a prestige and reputation that few can accomplish in their live time.
Bioware is among the Gods of video games, right next to Blizzard.

Bioware is an amazing developer. I love KOTOR a lot. Mass Effect looks to be just awesome.

 

[Zenien]

Peter Molyneux definetly isn't one of the 'holy trinity' of the gaming world. Fable is a pretty sub par game, to say otherwise shows just how busy someone is worshipping a name that hasn't delivered in years instead of looking at a game for what it is. Just like Bioware could be as you've exxagerated, but Jade Empire was still a sloppy, buggy, boring, unpolished, mess with a bad, unbalanced, and shallow combat system.

 

[GFreeman]

Your hate for Jade Empire is totally unfounded. The worst you could say about it was that it's combat system wasn't exactly deep, but then it wasn't supposed to be.

 

[Zenien]

When WHF and I agree on something, you know it must be right.

 

[GFreeman]

What I know is that it's an unholy concoction of the devil that must be opposed.

 

[cookiva]

So Fable was not all that could have been, big deal, Molyneux is still one of the holy trinity of gaming (the others being Sid Meier and Will Wright).
Gaming is what it is because of those three....

You just proved how increadibly stupid you are. Just dont post here anymore. If you dont think that Miyamoto is the most important man in the history of video games, dont come back

 

[Spidey17]

I don't know about most important, but top three, I'll give you that. It's funny how people call someone on here an idiot if they differ in opinion. Zenien can hate Jade Empire all she wants, cuz I thought it was lame as well, but I liked Fable 1, and I don't worship Molyneux. He needs to keep his big mouth shut, cuz he keeps promising ideas that don't end up in the game. And I think the holy gaming trinity consists of Miyamoto, Hideo, and Will Wright. I hate that being a mediator makes me sound like a pansy, but calling names and other **** like that just degrades the thread and the forum as a whole.

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Who knows

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't know about most important, but top three, I'll give you that. It's funny how people call someone on here an idiot if they differ in opinion. Zenien can hate Jade Empire all she wants, cuz I thought it was lame as well, but I liked Fable 1, and I don't worship Molyneux. He needs to keep his big mouth shut, cuz he keeps promising ideas that don't end up in the game. And I think the holy gaming trinity consists of Miyamoto, Hideo, and Will Wright. I hate that being a mediator makes me sound like a pansy, but calling names and other **** like that just degrades the thread and the forum as a whole.

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As much as I like Kojima and Wright, they can't be considered part of the trinity. The industry would not be the way it is today without Miyamoto, Yokoi, and Kutaragi.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Are you guys for real?
Do you know anything about what you are talking?

I give Shigeru Miyamoto, he made a name for himself and created alot of famous characters and video games.
If you want to go the Japonese route, name Hironobu Sakaguchi, which much more important then Yokoi and Kutaragi combined.
Gunpei Yokoi??'
The guy that made the GB??
Give me a break......while you are it, name Allan Alcorn, he is more important than anyone, he created Pong.
Or name Atari (not the one that exists now), they created the video game.
Yokoi was very important, may be Rest in piece, but he was, above all a hardware guy.
So, he helped producing many of Nintendo´s main characters.....
And Ken Kutaragi........KUTAGARI?????
The "father" of the playstation????????????
oh brother
The PS was made in 1994, video games exist since the 70´s so.....do the math.

Peter Molyneux made the 1st complex game and one of the greatest, Populous, and created a sub-genre, the God games.
Will Wright made Sim City, created the city building sub-genre
Sid Meire made Civilization, and made conquering the world and time the next best thing.

You guys need to to do some research before acting like there is no life outside Japan.
Shigeru Miyamoto is more known for thge characters he made then the games themselfs, he is more of a Japonese Walt Disney.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

If it wasn't for Shigeru Miyamoto video games wouldn't exist today, Nintendo and Super Mario Bros. single handedly saved the console market. You say Miyamoto is known more for his characters than the games themselves, but the reason those characters are so well known is because Miyamoto's games in were masterpieces.

How can you say c'mon to the guy who created the Game Boy, probably the most successful video game system ever.

And Kutaragi's Playstation moved video games into a whole new level of popularity. I may not be the biggest Sony supporter, but I'd never deny the system's importance to the modern video game landscape.

 

[cookiva]

Are you guys for real?
Do you know anything about what you are talking?

I give Shigeru Miyamoto, he made a name for himself and created alot of famous characters and video games.
If you want to go the Japonese route, name Hironobu Sakaguchi, which much more important then Yokoi and Kutaragi combined.
Gunpei Yokoi??'
The guy that made the GB??
Give me a break......while you are it, name Allan Alcorn, he is more important than anyone, he created Pong.
Or name Atari (not the one that exists now), they created the video game.
Yokoi was very important, may be Rest in piece, but he was, above all a hardware guy.
So, he helped producing many of Nintendo´s main characters.....
And Ken Kutaragi........KUTAGARI?????
The "father" of the playstation????????????
oh brother
The PS was made in 1994, video games exist since the 70´s so.....do the math.

Peter Molyneux made the 1st complex game and one of the greatest, Populous, and created a sub-genre, the God games.
Will Wright made Sim City, created the city building sub-genre
Sid Meire made Civilization, and made conquering the world and time the next best thing.

You guys need to to do some research before acting like there is no life outside Japan.
Shigeru Miyamoto is more known for thge characters he made then the games themselfs, he is more of a Japonese Walt Disney.

So you are saying that people who made these "sub genres" are more important than the creators of the greatest genres of games? Or the man who created the biggest selling console of all time? Or the man who created the biggest name in handheld gaming? Dude, you need to do some research before acting like there is no life inside of Japan.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Are you guys for real?
Do you know anything about what you are talking?

I give Shigeru Miyamoto, he made a name for himself and created alot of famous characters and video games.
If you want to go the Japonese route, name Hironobu Sakaguchi, which much more important then Yokoi and Kutaragi combined.
Gunpei Yokoi??'
The guy that made the GB??
Give me a break......while you are it, name Allan Alcorn, he is more important than anyone, he created Pong.
Or name Atari (not the one that exists now), they created the video game.
Yokoi was very important, may be Rest in piece, but he was, above all a hardware guy.
So, he helped producing many of Nintendo´s main characters.....
And Ken Kutaragi........KUTAGARI?????
The "father" of the playstation????????????
oh brother
The PS was made in 1994, video games exist since the 70´s so.....do the math.

Peter Molyneux made the 1st complex game and one of the greatest, Populous, and created a sub-genre, the God games.
Will Wright made Sim City, created the city building sub-genre
Sid Meire made Civilization, and made conquering the world and time the next best thing.

You guys need to to do some research before acting like there is no life outside Japan.
Shigeru Miyamoto is more known for thge characters he made then the games themselfs, he is more of a Japonese Walt Disney.

Allan Alcorn and Atari represent the old video game industry that collapsed in the 1980's. They aren't at all pivotal to the modern video game industry.

Shigeru Miyamoto pretty much single handedly revived the video game industry with his creations of Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, and the Legend of Zelda.

Gumpei Yokoi literally created the handheld industry with the Game & Watch and Game Boy handhelds and he helped with the WonderSwan. And the man also took part in some of Nintendo's early games such as Kid Icarus, Metroid, Duck Hunt, and Super Mario Land.

As for Ken Kutaragi, I'm not talking about Krazy Ken that said things such as "Xbox 1.5," "4-D," and "The Playstation 3 is too cheap." I'm talking about the sane Ken Kutaragi who made the video game industry the way it is today with his Playstation and Playstation 2. He was even named as one of the 100 most influential people in Time in 2004 and they state his impact perfectly:

Twenty years ago, the video-game business was a niche hobby, so nerdy that nerds were embarrassed to be associated with it. Now, thanks in large part to Ken Kutaragi, the president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment, video games take in more money than movies. An electrical engineer by training, he joined Sony in 1975, but his gut-check moment didn't arrive until 1990, when Nintendo backed out of a partnership with Sony to build a new video-game machine. Most in the company wanted to cede the battlefield, but Kutaragi believed Sony could go it alone; he led an in-house splinter cell that developed a new game console from scratch. The PlayStation debuted in 1994. By the end of the decade it was generating 40% of Sony's operating profit.

Kutaragi did it all over again in 2000, getting Sony to make a $2.5 billion bet on the PlayStation 2. Unlike earlier consoles, which were cobbled together mostly from off-the-shelf components, the PlayStation 2 was engineered from the silicon up to be a dedicated game-playing monster. And Kutaragi courted outside game developers, so there was no lack of new strong software. The PlayStation 2 has bulled its way to a market share of around 70%. Kutaragi's flamboyant management style has raised some eyebrows within the staid halls of Sony. Legend has it he once offered to settle a dispute over the PlayStation's design with an arm-wrestling match. But he has earned his swagger. If video games are the storytelling medium of the coming century, Kutaragi is their Gutenberg.

In my opinion, it's a damn shame that Kutaragi went insane and whatnot

This isn't about thinking that there is no life outside of Japan. This is about the three men who have made the biggest impact on the modern video game industry. Now, don't think that I beleive that Peter Molyneux, Will Wright, and Sid Meier are bad developers. They're great, but they're more on par with Hideo Kojima, John Carmack, Yuuji Horii, John Romero, Warren Spector, Shinji Mikami, David Jaffe, and Hironobu Sakaguchi. But none of them are on par with Miyamoto, Yokoi, and Kutaragi for what they've done.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Well , it started by me saying Molyneux was in the "Holy Trinity of Gaming", being gaming the key word, so, no hardware.
That takes Kutaragi and Yokoi out of the equation...

If you want to name hardware and companies, you have to name Atari as the most important vg company ever, be it old or new school.
If it wasn´t for them, there wouldn´t be video games to talk about and we wouldn´t be here in the first place.
I give more importance to Yokoi then to Kutaragi.....

In no way i´m dismissing Kutaragi and the playstayion, i loved the PS and PS2 (i don´t have a PS3 to talk about), but it´s not the next thing since sliced bread.
Sure it was (and is) important, the best thing the playstation brand gave was to make video games mainstream and not just something for a few...but even so...

The one thing that gave the PS a chance is the same thing that killed alot of big name platforms, it´s called CD.
Sega begun to die after the Megadrive because of the CD (it wasn´t the PS2 that killed them, like many think), the commodore Amiga was killed by the PC (and they were far better) because they couldn´t handle going from floppy disk to CD.
NES was the only one that survived because they didn´t had a CD format (hence the birth of the playstation), only cartridge.
The PC was the only one that went from one format to the other and not only survived, it became way better then it was.
The Playstation was born in the age of the CD, that alone gave them plenty of room for sucess.
As for the PS2, there were fighting a battle alone, because there was only the GC, which is an all different game.
The Dreamcast was the Sega´s swon song, and the Xbox only appeared 2 years after the PS2 was already out.
Even so, in the last few years, the Xbox gained alot of sucess, being better than the PS2 in hardware and online.
It made Sony tremble and ask themselfs, what if the Xbox had came out at the same time we released ours...

That´s why they made the PS3 to be a bemoth, not only to win, bu to destroy the xbox

 

[amazingfantasy15]

^And we see how well that's working...

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well , it started by me saying Molyneux was in the "Holy Trinity of Gaming", being gaming the key word, so, no hardware.
That takes Kutaragi and Yokoi out of the equation...

But hardware is just as important as software. Without the hardware there is no gaming. Without Kutaragi, we probably would not be seeing the software there is today. Without Yokoi, handheld gaming would not be at the place it is today: no Super Mario Land, no Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, no Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, no Phoenix Wright, etc.

If you want to name hardware and companies, you have to name Atari as the most important vg company ever, be it old or new school.
If it wasn´t for them, there wouldn´t be video games to talk about and we wouldn´t be here in the first place.
I give more importance to Yokoi then to Kutaragi.....

While Atari deserves props for basically inventing gaming, they have no relevance at all anymore. They're part of the old video game industry which died 20 years ago. If the video game industry did not collapse, Atari would probably be right on par in the modern video game industry with Nintendo.

 

[블라스]

I can't believe Zenien hates Jade Empire so much, it's one of the best games for the Xbox

 

[amazingfantasy15]

But hardware is just as important as software. Without the hardware there is no gaming. Without Kutaragi, we probably would not be seeing the software there is today. Without Yokoi, handheld gaming would not be at the place it is today: no Super Mario Land, no Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, no Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, no Phoenix Wright, etc.

While Atari deserves props for basically inventing gaming, they have no relevance at all anymore. They're part of the old video game industry which died 20 years ago. If the video game industry did not collapse, Atari would probably be right on par in the modern video game industry with Nintendo.

Well Atari invented the first generation of gaming and killed it, by flooding the market with crappy products. I'll give Atari it's credit, but Nintendo has been much more influential to gaming than Atari