The future of the PS3 and the Playstation brand

[블라스]

No, it does not go without saying.
Explain how *I*, the most tolerant individual on the whole planet, so close and friendly to brothers and sisters of all races and creeds, and lover of all Asian girls, am a racist.
Go on, I double dare you.

 

[GFreeman]

You're only hostile towards me because I'm Hispanic. You're as racist as Kutaragi is un-influential.

 

[블라스]

You're as white as they come, and I still accept you.

 

[Spidey17]

Black girls don't get any love? Oh well, more for me then.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

This is ridiculous. No, they didn't create anything. Video games existed before Nintendo came onto the scene, Nintendo didn't make any changes whatsoever to games when they did come onto the scene, and they haven't even been in a position to change things for more than a decade now. What they did was succeed in the console business where Atari's recent effort had failed. That's it. That isn't exactly a revolution. People need to take the rose tinted glasses off here. Nintendo and Kutaragi's big claim to fame and greatness, so far, seems to be "our products didn't fail, woohoo!". That isn't greatness.

Why did Atari's recent effort fail back then? Because they flooded the market with horrible games and tarnished their name. Why did Nintendo's effort succeed where Atari's failed, great games and who was behind some of the greatest of those games, Miyamoto. Sure, it was a very simple strategy, but it also wasn't one that was being used. Also looking beyond just Miyamoto breathing new life into the console industry, he was the first to make 3-D worlds really work in the console market with Mario 64, sure it wasn't the first 3-D game, but it was the first to really work. Now Nintendo and Miyamoto are doing it again with the Wii-mote. Take a look at any best video games list and tell me which producer has the most games on the list, I'm sure you'll see at least 2-3 Miyamoto games.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

People, wait and think a minute.....
Miyamoto is great and deserves a lot of praise, but his importance is for consoles and consoles alone.
There was video games way before Miyamoto became extremely relevante like he is today.
Computers and consoles are two diferent things, always have been (but the gap is becaming shorter by the minute).
Consoles were seen as something for kids and teens, computers were not, so, i still go by what i say.

In gaming development, Molyneux, Wright and Meir are bigger then Myamoto.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

People, wait and think a minute.....
Miyamoto is great and deserves a lot of praise, but his importance is for consoles and consoles alone.
There was video games way before Miyamoto became extremely relevante like he is today.
Computers and consoles are two diferent things, always have been (but the gap is becaming shorter by the minute).
Consoles were seen as something for kids and teens, computers were not, so, i still go by what i say.

In gaming development, Molyneux, Wright and Meir are bigger then Myamoto.

I've thought about it for over a minute and really the only person in your list that I'd compare to Miyamoto is Wright, his games have been able to get new demographics into video games. Molyneux and Meier are great game designers no doubt, but their contributions don't touch Miyamoto's. Everyone I know that plays video games, either on a console or computer, started on Nintendo (well techincally Atari, Coleco or Intellivision, but Nintendo was the big one). As soon as I saw Super Mario Bros. being played at my cousins house I wanted a Nintendo, so did all my other cousins. Everyone I knew except for a very select few had a Nintendo, which was no where near the case with a PC, in fact the very select few that didn't have a Nintendo had a PC and were upset about it.

 

[Zenien]

People, wait and think a minute.....
Miyamoto is great and deserves a lot of praise, but his importance is for consoles and consoles alone.
There was video games way before Miyamoto became extremely relevante like he is today.
Computers and consoles are two diferent things, always have been (but the gap is becaming shorter by the minute).
Consoles were seen as something for kids and teens, computers were not, so, i still go by what i say.

In gaming development, Molyneux, Wright and Meir are bigger then Myamoto.

So your rational is "LOL consoles are teh kiddy therefore PC devs > Console devs!"

Well you're free to be wrong then. Will Wright made a City Simulator, a really good one, big deal. The Sims didn't give birth to and influence hundreds of games like Myamoto did with Nintendo duriong the 1980's and 1990's. Will Wright is up there, but the Sims wasn't even his idea, he wanted to make a game that judged how cost effective the design of the house was (it was his two female co-workers who came up with and implemented the human element), and Spore might be a big deal, but if you say Myamoto isn't in the top 3 then there's no way WIll Wright would be either because you'd have some pretty unnatural standards.

Molyneux isn't in the top 3 at all, that's pretty bloody certain. Maybe he is only if you're judging top 3 by scope of ideas, not execution. Sure the Movies might be different, but even he admits it wasn't a every good game or terribly well designed upon reflection. Fable is a bad RPG that's a shadow of his claims and it will probably to take a sequel to make something good out of the brand. The AI aspect of Black and White? Great idea, the execution has always been lacking and buggy and unbalanced (well B&W2).

 

[GFreeman]

Why did Atari's recent effort fail back then? Because they flooded the market with horrible games and tarnished their name. Why did Nintendo's effort succeed where Atari's failed, great games and who was behind some of the greatest of those games, Miyamoto. Sure, it was a very simple strategy, but it also wasn't one that was being used. Also looking beyond just Miyamoto breathing new life into the console industry, he was the first to make 3-D worlds really work in the console market with Mario 64, sure it wasn't the first 3-D game, but it was the first to really work. Now Nintendo and Miyamoto are doing it again with the Wii-mote. Take a look at any best video games list and tell me which producer has the most games on the list, I'm sure you'll see at least 2-3 Miyamoto games.

No, he wasn't. 3D worlds were "working" just fine on PCs and even other consoles long before Mario 64 ever appeared. That's insane. And the Wii-mote is innovative...provided that you've never heard of a computer mouse, since that's all it amounts to in actual use. Miyamoto created some popular franchises. And that is the extent of what he has done. And the only "best video games list" that would have 2-3 Miyamoto games on it would be a "Top 100" or maybe "Top 500". He just isn't that great.

 

[SupahSaiyangirl]

miyamoto deserves all the praise he gets because he pretty much set the bar when it comes to platformers and adventure games. name one platform that could even come close to super mario......name any game that could go toe to toe with zelda........you cant because there arent any i respect your opinions gfreeman, but to say that this man didnt damn near define a genre of games that's crazy. People still to this day hold mario 64 with high regard, because it pretty much did every thing right, and yes we know that pc did
3-d before the n64 but what game on the pc at that time even garnerd half the critical acliam that mario 64 did?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

So your rational is "LOL consoles are teh kiddy therefore PC devs > Console devs!"

You want to much for me to be wrong, that you don´t even read what i post.
I didn´t said that console were for kids and that pc devs are better than console devs.
First, i said that back then console were seen as something to kids, computers weren´t, and even you have to realize that if you know a bit of video game history.
Gaming only started to be mainstream in the last generation because of the PS2 (that´s the playstation biggest accomplishment, and for that, they will always be praised).

Well you're free to be wrong then. Will Wright made a City Simulator, a really good one, big deal. The Sims didn't give birth to and influence hundreds of games like Myamoto did with Nintendo duriong the 1980's and 1990's. Will Wright is up there, but the Sims wasn't even his idea, he wanted to make a game that judged how cost effective the design of the house was (it was his two female co-workers who came up with and implemented the human element), and Spore might be a big deal, but if you say Myamoto isn't in the top 3 then there's no way WIll Wright would be either because you'd have some pretty unnatural standards.

Once again you are wrong.
Myamoto was big and influential on consoles, not on gaming as an all, only now he is getting the praise he deserves (and when i say "now", and saying the last decade or so).
In the 80´s and early 90´s, Mario and co were....cute, but hardly influential.
Sin City and Populous, on the other hand.......

Molyneux isn't in the top 3 at all, that's pretty bloody certain. Maybe he is only if you're judging top 3 by scope of ideas, not execution. Sure the Movies might be different, but even he admits it wasn't a every good game or terribly well designed upon reflection. Fable is a bad RPG that's a shadow of his claims and it will probably to take a sequel to make something good out of the brand. The AI aspect of Black and White? Great idea, the execution has always been lacking and buggy and unbalanced (well B&W2).

You have no clue who is Peter Molyneux, you have no clue at all....
You hate (or seem to) him so much and were so dissapointed with Fable, that you don´t even think straight when saying his name.
All you see is Fable and Black & White, when the man started years before those....
Have heard of Populous, Theme Park, Theme Hospital, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Powermonger...?
You did, and you still don´t understand who he is?
You never heard of those games, well, be sad for it and do some homework before talking about the guy that created Bullfrog, one of the best dev houses ever.

 

[GFreeman]

Amen to that. And really, the only game he's released that's been truly disappointing was Fable, a game that he wasn't in charge of, and a game that was still a critical and commercial success beyond 99% of what's released.

 

[Zenien]

Once again you are wrong.
Myamoto was big and influential on consoles, not on gaming as an all, only now he is getting the praise he deserves (and when i say "now", and saying the last decade or so).
In the 80´s and early 90´s, Mario and co were....cute, but hardly influential.
Sin City and Populous, on the other hand.......

About Will Wright? Hardly. So I'm wrong that he wasn't the one who cameup with the idea of having people in the Sims and making it a social engineering game? because I'm right about that, just take a look at a few of his interviews. Myamoto had a huge impact on gaming as an all, considering the state of the industry today, not to mention so many companies were birthed or had a resurgence as a result of the NES/Famicom. You have no clue what you're talking about if you're just going to dismiss consoles into a segregated little group. They way you address Nintendo in the 80's and early 90's as 'cute' shows how horribly lopsided your view of the industry is. It's pretty clear you favor the PC side, have fun with that. Unfortunately is makes your entire assessment pretty asinine.

You have no clue who is Peter Molyneux, you have no clue at all....
You hate (or seem to) him so much and were so disappointed with Fable, that you don´t even think straight when saying his name.
All you see is Fable and Black & White, when the man started years before those....
Have heard of Populous, Theme Park, Theme Hospital, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Powermonger...?
You did, and you still don´t understand who he is?
You never heard of those games, well, be sad for it and do some homework before talking about the guy that created Bullfrog, one of the best dev houses ever.

Yes I've heard of and played many of those games. Sorry to say. He hasn't made a legitimated successful game, creatively or commercially, in years. He is very close, but not a top 3. Especially considering his successive failures for the past 10 years. And saying very close is only on the merit of his long past successes. He might have been one of the very best years ago, but he's hardly up to form, and his impact on the industry isn't as great as Myamoto, that's a quantifiable fact when you look at the landscape today. What was the real impact of Peter Molyneux? Really? He influenced the birth of a genre, and was key in one that is all but dead now.

"Wah wah I like his games from 2 decades ago" I don't blame you, while Populous might have been the seminal deity game of its time, his impact on the industry as a whole is minuscule compared to Myamoto.

Myamoto had an undeniable impact on gaming as an all, the fact that his style of games are still the only games Nintendo makes, and that they have built a multi billion dollar empire that gave rebirth to the console industry as a whole and has gone on to totally supplant the PC market, around his ideas and game design philosophy alone, shows something there well beyond the influence of Molyneux and Wright.

 

[GFreeman]

How has he not released a successful title in years? Black and White (90 Metacritic Rating), The Movies (84 MetaCritic Rating), and Fable (85 MetaCritic Rating) were all well reviewed, and two are multi-million sellers. What exactly is your criteria for a critical and commercial success? Releasing a game that everyone wants to sweep under a rug ala Super Mario Sunshine?

 

[Zenien]

Black and White, The Movies, and Fable have all sucked and my opinion trumps all.

 

[GFreeman]

My opinion body slams yours, and all of those were amazing, particularly Black and White. Meanwhile, Miyamoto hasn't done anything interesting since Pikmin, and hasn't done anything good since Majora's Mask, and I'm only assuming he was involved with that, otherwise we'll have to set him back all the way to Mario 64. He's just a brand name who gets credit for things that other people have done.

 

[Zenien]

Majoras Mask is a terrible game, your opinion blows.

 

[A.X.L]

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'Playstaion is the gay'

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[Zenien]

Your contribution to this thread have been invaluable.

 

[GFreeman]

My opinion blows? Don't you like Killzone and those wretched Naughty Dog games?

 

[A.X.L]

Your contribution to this thread have been invaluable.

Your grammers to this thread have been invaluables

 

[GFreeman]

He's got you there.

 

[블라스]

Grammers?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

About Will Wright? Hardly. So I'm wrong that he wasn't the one who cameup with the idea of having people in the Sims and making it a social engineering game? because I'm right about that, just take a look at a few of his interviews. Myamoto had a huge impact on gaming as an all, considering the state of the industry today, not to mention so many companies were birthed or had a resurgence as a result of the NES/Famicom. You have no clue what you're talking about if you're just going to dismiss consoles into a segregated little group. They way you address Nintendo in the 80's and early 90's as 'cute' shows how horribly lopsided your view of the industry is. It's pretty clear you favor the PC side, have fun with that. Unfortunately is makes your entire assessment pretty asinine.

Zenien....are you on drugs?
Do you take some kind of medication?
No..just checking, because you don´t know how to read....

Inever said that consoles are for kids
I never said that consoles were "cute"....
I´M STATING FACTS
Because in the 80´s and early 90´s, consoles were seen as inferior to computers, they were seen as nothing more than plug and play, simple games for kids and teens.
THOSE ARE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or do you honestly think that Mario, DK, Zelda and all those were seen as masterpieces back in those days?
They didn´t had the recognition they have now

Next time, at least, learn how to read...

 

[cookiva]

Or do you honestly think that Mario, DK, Zelda and all those were seen as masterpieces back in those days?
They didn´t had the recognition they have now

Next time, at least, learn how to read...

Next time, when you come into this forum, please read up on history. DK was huge, Mario was huge, and Zelda was huge. All considered masterpieces.

Are you this idiotic???