The Guns thread - Part 1

[squeekness]

I'd heard about a Kentucky, but didn't realize there had been ten others already.

 

[samsnee]

Because we’ve become numb to it unless it tops the last one. 2 dead kids won’t make the front page anymore.

 

[squeekness]

Just doesn't make the news anymore.

 

[C. Lee]

I'd heard about a Kentucky, but didn't realize there had been ten others already.

As to the Kentucky shooting....a friend's niece not only went to the school but was good friends with both of the deceased. She's pretty tore up about it.

 

[samsnee]

I can’t imagine just losing someone close like that in an instant. I mean we can all get hit by a bus tomorrow, but a school shooting just seems like something that should never happen.

 

[squeekness]

As to the Kentucky shooting....a friend's niece not only went to the school but was good friends with both of the deceased. She's pretty tore up about it.

That's just awful. I hope she gets through all this okay.

 

[LTuser]

It seems that the majority of the murders are in gun free zones where liberal politics rule. Urban areas that tend to vote heavily Democratic such as Baltimore, Detroit or Chicago have the biggest gun problems. They also have the strictest gun laws.

This shows that areas, not gun laws are the biggest problem. Gun free zones are most prone to school shootings.

We protect our Politicians, our Banks, Numerous out door events, and homes with guns. But not our children in schools in many cases. This makes no sense.

ALso, when you look at most of the mass shooting, those people who committed them were registered democrats..
What few shootings, i've read about done by someone registered as a republican, over the past 20 years, was cause they were MENTAL. And shouldn't have owned a gun.

Apparently you missed the part where the Air Force failed to report the shooter's domestic violence history. The NRA is not to blame.

Not just that, but wasn't it the DEMS who pushed for that health care law, where doctors are NOT ALLOWED to share patient info (even mental patient info) with LE??

The Sandy Hook shooter obtained the guns from his mom. The Orlando and Vegas shooters passed background checks. Other than a ban on bumpstocks, I'm not sure what gun control measures would even be effective. Maybe we should improve the current laws that should have stopped these atrocities, instead of adding new laws on top of existing ones. Saying "common sense gun control" is meaningless if can't name a specific policy that would have stopped the shooter.

That's what i keep saying. WHY add yet more laws, to get ignored, when we already have well over 500 laws from state and federal levels, which are not being enforced as is??

Why do we need to have these kinds of weapons in circulation in the first place? Let's start with that. Then talk about how we can outlaw them.

I've actually shot AR-15s. Yeah it's fun. But does the average civilian need that? Hell no. I have yet to hear a remotely convincing argument as to why these guns should be widely available.

And how many mass shootings have been done with just ARs?? also who gets to decide what guns we can and cannot own?? Liberals? Politicians who all have armed guards??

This seems like a really bad idea. Whatever happened to states' rights?

Well, if state XYZ, is required to accept fully, any ID issued by state ABC, even when that state is WELL KNOWN to issue ID's even to those illegally in the country, all cause of the "Full faith clause", then why shouldn't the same apply to Concealed carry licenses?

A person can do just as much damage in public with 2 semi auto pistols.

And if you check the stats, well over 90% of all murders and gun crimes are done WITH semi-auto pistols.. NOT 'assault rifles' which is the go-to buzz word from the liberal lame stream media..

You know, I still feel safer unarmed and knowing the vast majority of the people around me are unarmed/have had mandatory gun safety training and background checks than I ever would if I knew everyone around me could get a gun easily.

That's something i have no problems with. MANDATING that to keep/own a gun, one has to go through some training and firearms courses (inc range time), just like those in the military/police force have to do to 'keep their certifications'..

Problem is, then you would have liberals whining, about how that is "Disenfranchising the poor/minorities" cause they don't have the finances to keep up with those certifications..

 

[Donner]

Haha new members that join and go straight to the Politics section are funny.

Also, I'd love to see the evidence that the majority of mass shootings in the US were committed by registered Democrats.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah. Even as someone not particularly convinced new gun laws (beyond common-sense stuff like closing the gunshow loophole, banning bumpstocks and body armor) are necessary, that they're-mostly-Democrats line seems like bull****.

 

[LTuser]

Haha new members that join and go straight to the Politics section are funny.

Also, I'd love to see the evidence that the majority of mass shootings in the US were committed by registered Democrats.

WHy is it funny>??

And for proof.. Here ya go.

https://joeforamerica.com/2014/05/mass-murderers-democrats/

Now admittedly that was from back in 2014.. So we have some newer ones to go over..

Farook and Malik (San bernadino shooters) 2015, no affiliation i can find either side.
Omar Mateen - pulse night club shooter, registered democrat
Stephen paddok - LV shooting - no known affiliation.
Devin Patrick Kelley - Texas church (sutherland springs), massive atheist, and suspected registered dem.. Ties to antifa which is linked to the dems.

 

[Donner]

Joe for America?

Are you serious?

As for your other claims, a simple Google search proves that they're fake. I don't know if you're being serious or if you're a PBU, but spouting off conspiracy theories that have been debunked or are unproven is not the best way to interact in the Politics thread. Just so you know.

 

[Teelie]

You can always tell a "newbie" is someone previously banned by how they respond in the Politics forum and then use sketchy "sources" to back up even sketchier claims.

 

[Aximili86]

Haha, so who are they? Who was banned recently?

The claims he's making are pretty ridiculous for sure.

 

[LTuser]

You can always tell a "newbie" is someone previously banned by how they respond in the Politics forum and then use sketchy "sources" to back up even sketchier claims.

And pray tel what would YOU call non-sketchy? MSNBC? CNN? Washington post.. ?? ALL THREE highly liberal sources...

 

[Sithborg]

Still, actual news sites rather than Joe the Plumber. I mean, even Breitbart is more respectable than Joe the Plumber.

 

[squeekness]

And pray tel what would YOU call non-sketchy? MSNBC? CNN? Washington post.. ?? ALL THREE highly liberal sources...

Liberal doesn't always mean sketchy.

 

[LTuser]

Liberal doesn't always mean sketchy.

From a # of other sites i've been on over the years, that's seems to be the belief.. IF ITS right leaning/conservative leaning, it must 'be sketchy'. BUT if its left leaning or totally left wing, its the 'gospels truth'...

 

[Donner]

Still doesn't make Joe the Plumber a reputable source. And again, those conspiracy theories have already been debunked.

 

[Teelie]

In the eyes of Conservatives, which you clearly are (at least pretending to be) anything that is "leftist/liberal" is unreliable so there is no point to argue with you about the absurdity of your claims. Trying to strawman CNN, MSNBC and Washington Post to distract from your completely unreliable source does not make it valid.

 

[LTuser]

And the fact you feel, just cause i may be conservative and automatically distrust any site i use to get info from, makes you also absurd.

 

[Donner]

No, it's literally that you used Joe the Plumber as your source. Do better.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Another day, another mass shooting. 18th school shooting of the year in the USA. No gun problems. NOPE SIR!

 

[squeekness]

I just heard about this. It's all so terribly sad.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

We didn't think and pray enough.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Another day, another mass shooting. 18th school shooting of the year in the USA. No gun problems. NOPE SIR!

Wait a minute... the 18th shooting of 2018?
FFS That’s one shooting incident every 2.5 days.
How is this kind of statistic not a national tragedy?