The Guns thread - Part 1

[MagnarTheGreat]

Associated Press - Elementary school to close for Pa. church ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles

A Pennsylvania school district says it's canceling classes at an elementary school because a church down the street is hosting a ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles to a commitment ceremony. The church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the "rod of iron" in the biblical book of Revelation.

The ceremony will take place Wednesday, according to The Times-Tribune.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/02/elementary_school_to_close_for.html

 

[Kelly]

Associated Press - Elementary school to close for Pa. church ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles



http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/02/elementary_school_to_close_for.html

WTF would a church be using an AR-15 for?????????

 

[Kelly]

Plenty of hs seniors who are 18-19. Most with clean records. Dont they have a right to arm themselves for self defense like any other American?

???? what??? are you saying that HS students who are 18 and 19 should be able to bring their legal guns to school because teachers will be armed? What?

 

[KevanG]

Associated Press - Elementary school to close for Pa. church ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles



http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/02/elementary_school_to_close_for.html

We have a province in Canada named Newfoundland and my first thought was "What the **** Newfoundland?!" then googled it and saw it was a city in Penn.

That confused the **** out of me.

 

[squeekness]

Associated Press - Elementary school to close for Pa. church ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles



http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/02/elementary_school_to_close_for.html

Wow, just wow.

 

[squeekness]

WTF would a church be using an AR-15 for?????????

I'm not convinced Jesus would approve.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

???? what??? are you saying that HS students who are 18 and 19 should be able to bring their legal guns to school because teachers will be armed? What?

Hey Kelly what happened in FL when that armed teen came to the school recently? Everything was great and nobody got her or something along those lines?

 

[LTuser]

You know, perhaps we are looking at this all wrong and we should consider handing out to every student, teacher and other staff, full body armour as they come into school?

And yes I am being sarcastic, as the idea of arming teachers is absurdity gone mad.

Did you see that story, iirc mid last year, right after Texas ruled to allow CCW carry on campuses (uni/college level), that one teacher DID go in wearing body armor..! Man i thought he was hilarious...

Oh, and yet again, cops get told about some nutter, do nothing and he goes on to kill.. this time with a knife.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...had_repeated_contacts_with_police_before_slay

Is it me, or since say 2010 or so, we have had a ever increasing # of cases, where someone goes on to kill, and AFTERWARDS we learn, more and more of them were KNOWN and were reported to the authorities??

 

[Hotwire]

I'm not convinced Jesus would approve.

I seem to remember a verse about swords into plowshares. Isn't gun the new sword?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Did you see that story, iirc mid last year, right after Texas ruled to allow CCW carry on campuses (uni/college level), that one teacher DID go in wearing body armor..! Man i thought he was hilarious...

Oh, and yet again, cops get told about some nutter, do nothing and he goes on to kill.. this time with a knife.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...had_repeated_contacts_with_police_before_slay

Is it me, or since say 2010 or so, we have had a ever increasing # of cases, where someone goes on to kill, and AFTERWARDS we learn, more and more of them were KNOWN and were reported to the authorities??

Serious question for you LT.

So what makes each individual person's right to be armed to protect themselves more than the right to keep guns from crazy people?

Seems like all these gun aficionado types don't want the government in their business yet you seem to think the government should have Big Brother/Minority Report type of prevention sweeping in and taking the guns of any person ever reported.

You do realize millions of Americans are reported for stuff everyday? You also realize that some of these reports are done out of spite right?

 

[Joeyjojo72]

???? what??? are you saying that HS students who are 18 and 19 should be able to bring their legal guns to school because teachers will be armed? What?

Sorry I was just taking an intentionally absurd post to its (il)logical conclusion. Not serious.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Sorry I was just taking an intentionally absurd post to its (il)logical conclusion. Not serious.

I, for one, will not feel safe with my child going into Kindergarten unless he/she is strapped with a bomb and a dead man's switch so if anyone tries to kidnap them or shoot up the school then that child can defend themselves!

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I, for one, will not feel safe with my child going into Kindergarten unless he/she is strapped with a bomb and a dead man's switch so if anyone tries to kidnap them or shoot up the school then that child can defend themselves!

Now you're talkin!

 

[squeekness]

I, for one, will not feel safe with my child going into Kindergarten unless he/she is strapped with a bomb and a dead man's switch so if anyone tries to kidnap them or shoot up the school then that child can defend themselves!

Hee hee,

 

[LTuser]

Serious question for you LT.

So what makes each individual person's right to be armed to protect themselves more than the right to keep guns from crazy people?

Well, with the # of times we keep hearing AFTERWARDS how inept the cops were, in dropping the ball and missing red flag after red flag, PLUS they are often 4+ minutes away, when seconds count, i would rather NOT TRUST My life to just the police.
ADD to that, there was this from 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...ot-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

Where the supreme court ruled COPS DO NOT Have a duty or obligation to protect people.. SO TELL me why would anyone trust cops to protect them, and not do it themselves?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, with the # of times we keep hearing AFTERWARDS how inept the cops were, in dropping the ball and missing red flag after red flag, PLUS they are often 4+ minutes away, when seconds count, i would rather NOT TRUST My life to just the police.
ADD to that, there was this from 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...ot-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

Where the supreme court ruled COPS DO NOT Have a duty or obligation to protect people.. SO TELL me why would anyone trust cops to protect them, and not do it themselves?

To be fair, the reason people need guns to protect themselves is because so many people have guns. The reason the response time of the police matters so much is because of how many guns there are. I was listening to the 538 podcast and I believe they mentioned 1 in 3 people know someone who was shot. That is insane in a country this large.

 

[Greens]

We need more guns to defend ourselves against guns!

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I, for one, will not feel safe with my child going into Kindergarten unless he/she is strapped with a bomb and a dead man's switch so if anyone tries to kidnap them or shoot up the school then that child can defend themselves!

This really should not have made me laugh, but it did...

 

[Black Narcissus]

I would only buy a gun if i lived in an isolated area or was rich. That is it.

 

[Hotwire]

One doesn't have safety because they own a gun; One has safety because they do not need it.

 

[LTuser]

To be fair, the reason people need guns to protect themselves is because so many people have guns. The reason the response time of the police matters so much is because of how many guns there are. I was listening to the 538 podcast and I believe they mentioned 1 in 3 people know someone who was shot. That is insane in a country this large.

SO those two ladies (the mother/daughter) who fought off that attacker, shouldn't have had guns to defend themselves, cause "dats what the cops are for"???

 

[DarthSkywalker]

SO those two ladies (the mother/daughter) who fought off that attacker, shouldn't have had guns to defend themselves, cause "dats what the cops are for"???

Why do we act like guns are the only way to defend yourself? Also, in terms of attacks. Doesn't criminal access to guns make attacks more likely? Wouldn't it be more likely for a criminal to possess a gun in that moment then the victim?

Using this logic, all the kids who have been murdered in school shootings are unfortunate and sad, but foreseen causalities so anyone can own whatever guns they want in America to defend themselves? Because we know the way we handle gun laws right now, these tragedies are going to continue. And why does the ability to defend yourself suddenly depend on a criminal record? A mental health question? One of the major issues I have with this general argument is it places all guns basically on the same level, while making them the only possible way to protect yourself. But why?

 

[Greens]

SO those two ladies (the mother/daughter) who fought off that attacker, shouldn't have had guns to defend themselves, cause "dats what the cops are for"???

I live in a country where guns are pretty much banned. You can only get one after obtaining a license through years of experience at a rifle club and gun owners are VERY closely monitored by the authorities with regular check-ups. If you do have a gun you're not allowed to carry it in public. If someone attacked me, could a gun be useful? Depending on the variables, sure. Does that mean I condone the legalization of guns? Of course not. We recognize that the benefits of not having guns outweigh the possible downsides. It's not a topic people discuss at all.

The problem with the US is that you're approaching it from the opposite side. Guns are already ingrained in the culture so you're right, at least in the short term if guns were banned law abiding citizens would be put at a massive disadvantage. Not sure about the long term, though.

 

[LTuser]

Why do we act like guns are the only way to defend yourself? Also, in terms of attacks. Doesn't criminal access to guns make attacks more likely? Wouldn't it be more likely for a criminal to possess a gun in that moment then the victim?

We've already got plenty of laws that SHOULD Prohibit felons from owning guns. What we lack is enforcement of those laws.

And as "why do people think guns are the only way to defend themselves"?
HAVE YOU SEEN the video of the size of that attacker compared to those 2 women?

 

[Aximili86]

To be fair, the reason people need guns to protect themselves is because so many people have guns.

Not necessarily. Say three big, unarmed-but-with-violent-intentions guys break into your home and start tying up, or attacking, or raping, whatever, your family. You're not going to be able to stop that with kitchen knives or a baseball bat or whatever.

I don't own, but the home defense argument's a valid one.