The Horror Thread - Part 3

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

According to Justin Beahm, (who is writing an official book about Halloween at the moment titled Halloween: The Complete Authorized History) who did a Halloween Megasode Google Live video with several fans, said that each movie had different companies making the mask each film.

He said that they also tried to tweak it, so that they had their own take on the original mask.

Dick Warlock did take the mask home after making Halloween II and it IS the same exact mask from the first film but since Nick Castle kept it in his back pocket a lot while filming and Debra Hill then kept it under her bed until shooting for II began it misshaped the mask.

It's also know that Warlock has a much different build then castle making the mask seem wider but truth is the mask in II is the same exact mask from Halloween.

 

[redhawk23]

You mean the same Rob Zombie that said he hates remakes and would do one then turned around and made Halloween?

Or how about the same Rob Zombie that said he wouldn't do a sequel then turned around and did H2?

No I mean the Rob Zombie who had a self described awful experience making the Lords of Salem and is currently in pre-production for a film about a 1970s hockey team.

If a third RZ halloween film was going to happen it would have by now.


By the way I know I've said this before but outside of the first film, I really do not at understand the appeal and love for any of the filma featuring Michael Myers. B*** all you want about Zombie but the pretty much all the Myers sequels are varying degrees of crap.

 

[StarLord]

Here's bigger versions of the Mondo posters incase anyone wants them. I believe the actual posters sold out in a minute online today.

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[StarLord]

Soz for double post.

By the way I know I've said this before but outside of the first film, I really do not at understand the appeal and love for any of the filma featuring Michael Myers. B*** all you want about Zombie but the pretty much all the Myers sequels are varying degrees of crap.

I agree to an extent. In terms of being a parody or becoming to camp I think Halloween never went down that route and I think that's why the series, to me anyway, is stronger than a lot of horror franchises.

Also, I think Halloween II is great and a tad underrated.

 

[Piper Maru]

I really only like John Carpenter's Halloween and Halloween II. The rest don't exist to me, but Season of the Witch as it's own separate thing is a guilty pleasure of mine.

 

[Thundarr]

speculatively, who would you say is the stronger and faster of these two masked killers; Jason Vorhees or Michael Myers? i've watched a few of their films this October and haven't really come to any conclusion. they both have freakish strength; depending on the situation. Myers was strong enough to push his thumb through a human skull (and effortlessly do a one armed pullup). but Jason has popped heads as if they were moldy pumpkins. Jason definately moves faster. but Myers is also one of those "teleporter" types when he's found prey. hmmm.

I don't recall Myers teleporting ahead of his prey. But then I mostly just watch the '78 original, 1981's Halloween 2, and H20, so I might be forgetting about some scenes from later sequels. I think Michael and Jason from Parts 2 through 4 are pretty much tied. Michael is probably smarter, as he was able to figure out how to drive a car. Once Jason becomes a zombie in Part 6, he gains the edge with strength, but loses speed.

I just finished watching the extended cut of the '78 original Halloween. It never ceases to amaze me how freakin' brilliant this movie is to this day. Modern film makers need to study this movie and take notes. THIS is how you make a good slasher film. Proof positive that less is more. There were only 3 death scenes shown (not including the opening teaser which brings the number up to 4). The mechanic that Michael kills to steal his coveralls was done off screen. And in the extended cut, it's implied that Michael killed the orderly who was supposed to be watching him (a man named Bernardi, who never checked in for his shift and was still missing the next day). And the death scenes that there were are virtually bloodless, but far more effective than any of those ultra gory deaths in more modern slasher, because John Carpenter was smart enough to build up tension and suspense.

I still say Friday The 13th comes in a close second place in regards to best slasher movie. I still can't believe the hate it received from the same critics that praised Halloween. Siskel & Ebert even did a 1 hour special on horror movies like these called "Women In Peril". They tried proving their point by showing scenes from both movies and comparing them. The scenes they chose? The teaser opening from Friday The 13th where the unseen/unknown killer murders the two counselors who were screwing in the boathouse in 1958. The scene they compared it to? The one where Michael Myers was smashing through the closet door, and Laurie pokes him in the eye with a wire coat hanger then stabs him with his own knife. Then they said "See? In Friday The 13th the girls are punished for being sexually active, but in Halloween they get to stop the killer!" You know what? I can do that too! I can show people the scene where Michael Myers strangles a naked Lynda just minutes after she had sex, and compare it to the scene where Alice is hiding in the pantry, Mrs Voorhees hacks her way in with a machete, then Alice cracks her in the skull with a cast iron skillet. "See? Michael Myers punishes girls for being sexually active while In Friday The 13th, the girl gets to stop the killer! And Alice wasn't all that innocent in Friday The 13th (she drank beer, smoked pot, and it's implied that she and the camp owner had a sexual relationship)."

Now I'm going to watch Halloween II.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

No I mean the Rob Zombie who had a self described awful experience making the Lords of Salem and is currently in pre-production for a film about a 1970s hockey team.

If a third RZ halloween film was going to happen it would have by now.


By the way I know I've said this before but outside of the first film, I really do not at understand the appeal and love for any of the filma featuring Michael Myers. B*** all you want about Zombie but the pretty much all the Myers sequels are varying degrees of crap.

Difference is Zombie at one time in his life had talent and that talent doesn't show in his Halloween films, overall the man is just a mediocre filmmaker nothing special, just like his solo music.

Personally I like quite a bit of parts of the sequels but I love the character of Michael Myers and I love Halloween but I guess that's just me, at least the sequels didn't bastardize The Shape to the extent Zombie did he basically made his Halloween films with Leatherface instead of The Shape.

On a positive note I'm now ending my marathon with the one, the only, the classic that started it all Halloween

 

[Piper Maru]

I'm also ending my Marathon with the original Halloween. It was fun!

 

[jonathancrane]

I finished watching Halloween III. It was great. I still laugh every time at Challis's reaction to Marge's death. And when he decides to ask Ellie her age after he did the nasty with her.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Difference is Zombie at one time in his life had talent and that talent doesn't show in his Halloween films, overall the man is just a mediocre filmmaker nothing special, just like his solo music.

Personally I like quite a bit of parts of the sequels but I love the character of Michael Myers and I love Halloween but I guess that's just me, at least the sequels didn't bastardize The Shape to the extent Zombie did he basically made his Halloween films with Leatherface instead of The Shape.

On a positive note I'm now ending my marathon with the one, the only, the classic that started it all Halloween

I agree with all of this. At his worst, Michael Myers of the original series is still great. There's moments I hate, for example most of Resurrection, but scenes like when Myers meets Busta Rhymes dressed as Michael and proceeds to walk away. I also don't much care for the supernatural turn of Curse, but then I actually enjoy the Producer's Cut version of that film (except the part where Michael is the father of Jamie's baby.).

 

[redhawk23]

Difference is Zombie at one time in his life had talent and that talent doesn't show in his Halloween films, overall the man is just a mediocre filmmaker nothing special, just like his solo music.

Personally I like quite a bit of parts of the sequels but I love the character of Michael Myers and I love Halloween but I guess that's just me, at least the sequels didn't bastardize The Shape to the extent Zombie did he basically made his Halloween films with Leatherface instead of The Shape.

On a positive note I'm now ending my marathon with the one, the only, the classic that started it all Halloween

Making him Laurie's brother was entirely uneeded and what about all the crap with the curse of the thorn or whatever? Myers is pretty much a non character, which can sustain one film but not 7 or 8.

Also

Hellbilly Deluxe, The Sinister Urge and even several songs off his latest album are as good or better than anything White Zombie put out, plus he still puts on a hell of a good live show which is a lot more than can be said about similar acts like Manson these days.

 

[Thundarr]

Difference is Zombie at one time in his life had talent and that talent doesn't show in his Halloween films, overall the man is just a mediocre filmmaker nothing special, just like his solo music.

Personally I like quite a bit of parts of the sequels but I love the character of Michael Myers and I love Halloween but I guess that's just me, at least the sequels didn't bastardize The Shape to the extent Zombie did he basically made his Halloween films with Leatherface instead of The Shape.

On a positive note I'm now ending my marathon with the one, the only, the classic that started it all Halloween

I like your analogy of RZ's Michael Myers essentially being Leatherface witj a different mask.

I also like certain parts of several of the Halloween sequels, but the only ones that hold up as whole films are Part 2 & H20.

As for RZ's music? I find him to be a much better musician than a film maker. He should just stick to making music and being a horror fan rather than trying to make horror films.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Making him Laurie's brother was entirely uneeded and what about all the crap with the curse of the thorn or whatever? Myers is pretty much a non character, which can sustain one film but not 7 or 8.

Also

Hellbilly Deluxe, The Sinister Urge and even several songs off his latest album are as good or better than anything White Zombie put out, plus he still puts on a hell of a good live show which is a lot more than can be said about similar acts like Manson these days.

My Point being when The Shape shows up for the most part in the sequels he's still The Shape which is the absolute core of the character. Regardless of script or bad plotting or what the weakness it is but that IS NOT the case for Zombies films at all, he carries himself like Leatherface and even the backstory, white trash lover Zombie gave him what was another Texas Chainsaw homage the same as his other copycat films.

To each their own on his music I think his best work is in White Zombie, Hellbilly was ok but since then I've found his stuff to be pretty mediocre and badly written.

No worries it's cool if you like his stuff I'm just not a fan of Zombies constant hard on for Texas chainsaw and white trash in everything he does, or his best Dario Argento imitation with LOS.

 

[Thundarr]

well there goes his wife's "career."

Well she can always release her & Rob's home made sex tape to a porn company. It worked for Paris Hilton.

 

[Thundarr]

Making him Laurie's brother was entirely uneeded and what about all the crap with the curse of the thorn or whatever? Myers is pretty much a non character, which can sustain one film but not 7 or 8.

Also

Hellbilly Deluxe, The Sinister Urge and even several songs off his latest album are as good or better than anything White Zombie put out, plus he still puts on a hell of a good live show which is a lot more than can be said about similar acts like Manson these days.

I like RZ's music too. I'm just not a fan of his movies.

I can forgive the whole "Laurie is Michael's sister" angle from the original Halloween II. John Carpenter needed a way to link the two movies, something to allow Loomis to deduce that Michael would still be after Laurie, so he came up with that. Halloween 4 through 6 were all crap, I'll agree with you there, with Curse being the worst of the bunch. But H20 was a pretty good way to end the series. Until Mustapha Akkad had to f**k everything up by insisting that there should be more.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Well she can always release her & Rob's home made sex tape to a porn company. It worked for Paris Hilton.

They'd put a 70's filter on it and she'd probably use her most grating voice during the whole thing. Plus I'd rather not imagine seeing more of RZ than I have to.

 

[Thundarr]

Just finished watching Halloween II. Now I'm starting in on Halloween: H20.

 

[StarLord]

Well she can always release her & Rob's home made sex tape to a porn company. It worked for Paris Hilton.

At least in this movie it would be acceptable for Sherri to suck...

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Just finished watching Halloween II. Now I'm starting in on Halloween: H20.

Damn, I really should have gotten to H20 today. Ah well, I've got a large backlog of mostly horror I'll try to catch up on in the next few weeks, so I'm not planning on quitting just because Halloween is over. I'll miss the holiday though, I love October and the season and all the build up to Halloween. I just hate walking into the store 3 days before Halloween and seeing the remnants of the Halloween stuff being pushed out for Christmas stuff. Even if I only watch it once a month I love knowing AMC and Sci-fi are constantly showing horror films. I wish it was a bigger deal, not even Christmas big, but I remember it being so much of a bigger deal when I was little in the 90's, and a lot of things I've seen seem like it was even bigger in the 70's and 80's. I don't know if it is people becoming too PC, religion getting too involved and turning people away, or just this generation not taking quite the interest that mine and others before did, but I'd like to see Halloween be huge again. I hate to see it go, but I know it'll be back next year, and hopefully all of us will be too.

 

[Kane52630]

IFC is playing the Saw movies and almost I forgot how much of a fanfic Saw 4 - 7 was.

 

[Thundarr]

They'd put a 70's filter on it and she'd probably use her most grating voice during the whole thing. Plus I'd rather not imagine seeing more of RZ than I have to.

I'm not too eager to see Rob's little zombie either. But they wouldn't be the first (or the last) celebrities to cash in on a home made porn tape. Pam & Tommy Lee, Paris Hilton and whoever she had her two & a half minutes with, Tom Seizmore & his girlfriend, adult film star Janine & the lead singer of Motley Crue, Chyna & X-Pac, Vern Troyer and one of his exes, just to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if Britney Spears were to try and boost her career by having a sex tape "accidentally" get released to the public.

 

[Thundarr]

At least in this movie it would be acceptable for Sherri to suck...

 

[bullets]

I actually watched Halloween 1 and 2 before work. I'm on a horror kick and will probably watch several in November. I'm working on Vincent Price's filmography, excluding his later work.

 

[Thundarr]

Damn, I really should have gotten to H20 today. Ah well, I've got a large backlog of mostly horror I'll try to catch up on in the next few weeks, so I'm not planning on quitting just because Halloween is over. I'll miss the holiday though, I love October and the season and all the build up to Halloween. I just hate walking into the store 3 days before Halloween and seeing the remnants of the Halloween stuff being pushed out for Christmas stuff. Even if I only watch it once a month I love knowing AMC and Sci-fi are constantly showing horror films. I wish it was a bigger deal, not even Christmas big, but I remember it being so much of a bigger deal when I was little in the 90's, and a lot of things I've seen seem like it was even bigger in the 70's and 80's. I don't know if it is people becoming too PC, religion getting too involved and turning people away, or just this generation not taking quite the interest that mine and others before did, but I'd like to see Halloween be huge again. I hate to see it go, but I know it'll be back next year, and hopefully all of us will be too.

I feel exactly the same way. Halloween was a much bigger deal when I was younger. Of course, I grew up in a small town where Halloween was more of a big deal. I now live in a large city, and Halloween seems more about adults dressing up and going clubbing in costume. No one seems to do anything for the kids anymore, at least not here in the city. Any trick 'r treating seems to happen at the shopping malls, where I guess it's safer.

I don't see why Christian groups would have a problem with Halloween. I suppose they could not like the holidays Pagan roots, but Christmas has its roots in Paganism as well. Besides, the modern holiday of Halloween stems from the Christian holidays of All Saints Day (November 1), and All Souls Day (November 2), which were merged into one holiday called All Hallows Day (November 1). October 31st was called All Hallows Eve (the evening before All Hallows Day), which was eventually shortened and bastardized to become Halloween.

The reason All Hallows Day isn't celebrated anymore is the purpose of the holiday was to pray for the souls of those stuck in Purgatory so that they may be allowed into Heaven. But since The Church had declared the nonexistence of Purgatory, there has been no more reason to celebrate All Hallows Day. But by then All Hallows Eve had been taken over by Corporate America to become the holiday we all know & love.

 

[Thundarr]

Just finished H20, plus the special features.

Now i'm getting ready to watch Wrestlemaniac.