The "I hated Spider-Man 3" Thread!

[blake]

SM3 did not live up to the hype or expectations and it is hated and so is Raimi. But really there is actually some things if you are going to dwell on this movie (and if you go to this board you obviously are) worth noting in the film that make it stand above most summer fare. But htose things are ignored and you see mindless poss like "I have always hated RAimi and this movie is why...." WTF, mate?!

I thought he did a great job as director in SM1 and 2 but Sam and Ivan Raimi shouldn't have never done the screenplay.

 

[DACrowe]

ROTSS was better than SM3 in every sense. Better story, characters much closer to the source material, attempts at comedy not nearly as corny, even the special effects looked better. The list goes on, but I'll leave it at that.

what?

Look, if you prefer FF2, fine. I can't change your mind.

But the things you stated....FF2 was a commercial. It was a bottom line for 20th Century Fox and nothing more. The screenplay was awful. THERE WAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. It had about as much depth as a puddle and artistry as a Big Mac. And that is what the movie was is a Big Mac.

I personally dislike Big Macs and McDonald's in general, but I know most like it. But when they claim it has gormuet meats and daily fresh bread is when I just scratch my head.


FF2 was a committee film. No more than 5 minutes of its 90 MINUTE RUNNING TIME was committed to character development. And most of it was very cliché and unoriginal. "Mom and dad would be so proud of you little sis," "I am going to marry the hot chick," and so on.

Plot threads are introduced and undeveloped for most of the movie and then a line of dialogue that is the cinematic equivalent of a band-aide is formed. Reed and Sue want to leave, Johnny is sad. Johnny messes up. It isn't mentioned again for the next 45 minutes and at the very end of the movie "Hey, Johnny we're not leaving, after no development of why we made that decision and no moment of catharsis for you confronting us. We just need to wrap up this plot thread that attempted to add drama." Johnny then says "Gee golly, that is sure swell."

Or Silver Surfer. He learned a lesson in the comics...one that you actually felt his journey through in that humans want to live. So basically since he thought Alba was hot and she died for him, he learned "We all have a choice." What? Excuse me? Sue said that line once and again a quick fix to get to the ending.

NO DEPTH. You didn't go on a journey with the characters. You watched them drive around a parking lot.

Fortunately it had such a smooth effortlessly flowing plot. "I don't like you Richards. So I'll trust a known terrorist and killer who calls himself DOCTOR DOOM to help me and the United States government over the guy who already did our work for twice without charging. Instead I'll let DOCTOR DOOM walk around with minimal security a military bunker with world-destruction weapons in his grasp."

Oh yeah you can feel the intelligently crafted storyline.

As for more faithful to the source material....sure. Okay. Venom may have disappointed but tell me when he constitues a cloud. People may dislike Raimi portraying Peter Parker's dancing as a vistage of his symbiote side. But you feel the reasons that make him go there. His girlfriend was manipulated (the love of his life) to leave him. His best friend betrayed him again and you felt the anger when he nearly kills Harry, nearly kills Sandman and slaps MJ. You see why he takes it off. You learn why he let's Sandy go. Why did SS save earth? Because he thought Alba was cute and sad when she died? That's it?!?!

FF2 is a hallow movie.

SM3 is a flawed movie. It is uneven. It has too many characters/storylines. It does not flow smoothly.

But there is some integrity in it. Raimi wanted to tell a story and he and Maguire cared about the characters and letting the audience feel their pain. At least so did Church in it because more people felt for the most underdeveloped character in the film than the rest. There was pathos there. There was humanity. That is why the whole 60 seconds Peter and Harry team up for are more satisfying and fantastic than the entirety of the FF2.

Just my opinion, though.

 

[StylishHokie21]

what?

Look, if you prefer FF2, fine. I can't change your mind.

But the things you stated....FF2 was a commercial. It was a bottom line for 20th Century Fox and nothing more. The screenplay was awful. THERE WAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. It had about as much depth as a puddle and artistry as a Big Mac. And that is what the movie was is a Big Mac.

I personally dislike Big Macs and McDonald's in general, but I know most like it. But when they claim it has gormuet meats and daily fresh bread is when I just scratch my head.


FF2 was a committee film. No more than 5 minutes of its 90 MINUTE RUNNING TIME was committed to character development. And most of it was very cliché and unoriginal. "Mom and dad would be so proud of you little sis," "I am going to marry the hot chick," and so on.

Plot threads are introduced and undeveloped for most of the movie and then a line of dialogue that is the cinematic equivalent of a band-aide is formed. Reed and Sue want to leave, Johnny is sad. Johnny messes up. It isn't mentioned again for the next 45 minutes and at the very end of the movie "Hey, Johnny we're not leaving, after no development of why we made that decision and no moment of catharsis for you confronting us. We just need to wrap up this plot thread that attempted to add drama." Johnny then says "Gee golly, that is sure swell."

Or Silver Surfer. He learned a lesson in the comics...one that you actually felt his journey through in that humans want to live. So basically since he thought Alba was hot and she died for him, he learned "We all have a choice." What? Excuse me? Sue said that line once and again a quick fix to get to the ending.

NO DEPTH. You didn't go on a journey with the characters. You watched them drive around a parking lot.

Fortunately it had such a smooth effortlessly flowing plot. "I don't like you Richards. So I'll trust a known terrorist and killer who calls himself DOCTOR DOOM to help me and the United States government over the guy who already did our work for twice without charging. Instead I'll let DOCTOR DOOM walk around with minimal security a military bunker with world-destruction weapons in his grasp."

Oh yeah you can feel the intelligently crafted storyline.

As for more faithful to the source material....sure. Okay. Venom may have disappointed but tell me when he constitues a cloud. People may dislike Raimi portraying Peter Parker's dancing as a vistage of his symbiote side. But you feel the reasons that make him go there. His girlfriend was manipulated (the love of his life) to leave him. His best friend betrayed him again and you felt the anger when he nearly kills Harry, nearly kills Sandman and slaps MJ. You see why he takes it off. You learn why he let's Sandy go. Why did SS save earth? Because he thought Alba was cute and sad when she died? That's it?!?!

FF2 is a hallow movie.

SM3 is a flawed movie. It is uneven. It has too many characters/storylines. It does not flow smoothly.

But there is some integrity in it. Raimi wanted to tell a story and he and Maguire cared about the characters and letting the audience feel their pain. At least so did Church in it because more people felt for the most underdeveloped character in the film than the rest. There was pathos there. There was humanity. That is why the whole 60 seconds Peter and Harry team up for are more satisfying and fantastic than the entirety of the FF2.

Just my opinion, though.

Well said. Why is Fantastic Four 2 even being compared to this movie?

 

[gwynplaine]

Raimi really pulled a "schumacher" on this one.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Raimi really pulled a "schumacher" on this one.

No, he didn't. This film was a commercial success. The majority of the critics enjoyed it(over 60% of them) and it had a lot going for it. Just because you don't like it, and nor am I biggest fan, doesn't make it one of the worst movies ever made. Schumacher's Batman & Robin was a commercial and critical failure. Barely anyone you or I know really like it.

It's ridiculous when fanboys say this film is as bad as B&R or Catwoman.

 

[Punisher RULES]

If you hated SM3 you're stupid.



Kidding.


But it was not bad, it just let fanboys down, me included.

It was a fun movie though.

 

[Blader5489]

Raimi really pulled a "schumacher" on this one.

Do you even know what you're talking about? Are you just drunk right now?

P.S. Well said, Dacrowe. It really boggles the mind when people claim that ROTSS was a better movie than SM3.

 

[TomPiltoff]

SM2 was the film where Raimi had full creative control. It was also the film that made the least amount of money (though $700,000+ is nothing to sneeze at).

The worse part of this is that with SM3 being the most successful and the one where Raimi had the least control, the producers are going to think more intervention = more money.

Yeah, I understand the equation. Spidey 2 makes less money than Spidey 1, suits interfere.

But as you said, Spidey 2 didn't BOMB. It made a buttload of money and in general everybody loved it. I would think it takes more than falling a bit shy of the original for control to be taken from Raimi.

 

[American_Idiot]

what?

Look, if you prefer FF2, fine. I can't change your mind.

But the things you stated....FF2 was a commercial. It was a bottom line for 20th Century Fox and nothing more. The screenplay was awful. THERE WAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. It had about as much depth as a puddle and artistry as a Big Mac. And that is what the movie was is a Big Mac.

I personally dislike Big Macs and McDonald's in general, but I know most like it. But when they claim it has gormuet meats and daily fresh bread is when I just scratch my head.


FF2 was a committee film. No more than 5 minutes of its 90 MINUTE RUNNING TIME was committed to character development. And most of it was very cliché and unoriginal. "Mom and dad would be so proud of you little sis," "I am going to marry the hot chick," and so on.

Plot threads are introduced and undeveloped for most of the movie and then a line of dialogue that is the cinematic equivalent of a band-aide is formed. Reed and Sue want to leave, Johnny is sad. Johnny messes up. It isn't mentioned again for the next 45 minutes and at the very end of the movie "Hey, Johnny we're not leaving, after no development of why we made that decision and no moment of catharsis for you confronting us. We just need to wrap up this plot thread that attempted to add drama." Johnny then says "Gee golly, that is sure swell."

Or Silver Surfer. He learned a lesson in the comics...one that you actually felt his journey through in that humans want to live. So basically since he thought Alba was hot and she died for him, he learned "We all have a choice." What? Excuse me? Sue said that line once and again a quick fix to get to the ending.

NO DEPTH. You didn't go on a journey with the characters. You watched them drive around a parking lot.

Fortunately it had such a smooth effortlessly flowing plot. "I don't like you Richards. So I'll trust a known terrorist and killer who calls himself DOCTOR DOOM to help me and the United States government over the guy who already did our work for twice without charging. Instead I'll let DOCTOR DOOM walk around with minimal security a military bunker with world-destruction weapons in his grasp."

Oh yeah you can feel the intelligently crafted storyline.

As for more faithful to the source material....sure. Okay. Venom may have disappointed but tell me when he constitues a cloud. People may dislike Raimi portraying Peter Parker's dancing as a vistage of his symbiote side. But you feel the reasons that make him go there. His girlfriend was manipulated (the love of his life) to leave him. His best friend betrayed him again and you felt the anger when he nearly kills Harry, nearly kills Sandman and slaps MJ. You see why he takes it off. You learn why he let's Sandy go. Why did SS save earth? Because he thought Alba was cute and sad when she died? That's it?!?!

FF2 is a hallow movie.

SM3 is a flawed movie. It is uneven. It has too many characters/storylines. It does not flow smoothly.

But there is some integrity in it. Raimi wanted to tell a story and he and Maguire cared about the characters and letting the audience feel their pain. At least so did Church in it because more people felt for the most underdeveloped character in the film than the rest. There was pathos there. There was humanity. That is why the whole 60 seconds Peter and Harry team up for are more satisfying and fantastic than the entirety of the FF2.

Just my opinion, though.

And your entitled to that.

However, Peter and Harry teaming up at the end did not leave me with a feeling of satisfaction. It was more of a feeling of "WTF?".

Harry hates Peter. Harry loses his memory and loves Peter again. Harry gets his memory back and hates Peter again. From out of nowhere it seemed, Harry's butler speaks up about what he saw "that night" and Harry has a change of heart and loves Peter...again. This back and forth love/hate stuff got real old in SM3. The same with MJ and Peter, only to the nth degree.

The whole part with Harry "making" MJ breakup with Peter was another low point in the film. Harry was standing, what, half a block away; MJ coulda easily whispered to Peter what was going on, and if she was wired (I don't remember - it's been awhile), she could have motioned/mouthed to Peter to "hey, look behind that tree over there". It just seemed pointless and well, stupid.

Johnny's quips in FF2 were actually kinda funny. Most people in the theatres chuckled when he pulled off a one/two-liner. Spider-Man's quips were like jokes you might hear on Full House or Saved By the Bell. The Fantastic Four are like...Superman. They are daytime heroes, who are for-the-most-part, loved by the public. Unlike Spider-Man and Batman, their stories tend to be much less about painful emotional experiences and more about kicking some world threatening villains' butt. Their only real drama is that they are kinda freaks...and well...the drama that comes with four completely different people being around each other all the time (kinda like 'the Real World').

You're right about the U.S. military trusting Doom like that. That was lame. Galactus being a cloud of smoke...I didn't like that either...but I can see why that went that route. Venom's symbiote suit snapping over his head then snapping back everytime he delivered a line was more than annoying...to me anyway. And Topher's less-than-threatening voice coming out from Venom's fangs was a bit disturbing as well. I was hoping for something a little more demonic sounding...

SM3 felt like a complete mess to me. FF2 was entertaining, but had a few things about it I didn't care for. That's all.

 

[Venom 1988]

However, Peter and Harry teaming up at the end did not leave me with a feeling of satisfaction. It was more of a feeling of "WTF?".

Harry hates Peter. Harry loses his memory and loves Peter again. Harry gets his memory back and hates Peter again. From out of nowhere it seemed, Harry's butler speaks up about what he saw "that night" and Harry has a change of heart and loves Peter...again. This back and forth love/hate stuff got real old in SM3.

While I do agree about the butler stuff, the whole back and forth thing pretty much happened in the comics. He became the Goblin, fought Peter, he forgot, loved Peter, he remembered, fought Peter, fought alongside Peter, fought against him again, etc... all the way up until his death.

 

[DACrowe]

Well Harry was conflicted the whole movie. He had a mini-Hamlet episode (or perhaps Laertes because he wasn't afraid of taking action). The end was him realizing his faults and the old Harry, the one who could've been if his father wasn't such a jackass (that is the purpose of seeing him when he couldn't remember his father's abuse) showed up and he died in peace.

You say SM3 jokes felt like one-liners from Full House...that's fine, I suppose. But the entirety of Full House felt like a sitcom. Very formulaic with simplistic plots that can be resolved in 22 minutes (this was stretched to 89 minutes however). Even the beginning of the movie's opening credits and the "family atmosphere" and the way shots were composed in the first movie (not so much the second)...It all felt like TV. But not good TV like The Office, Scrubs or something on HBO. But like 2 and 1/2 Men or...Full House.

Just my opinion, again, though.

 

[kward711]

And your entitled to that.

However, Peter and Harry teaming up at the end did not leave me with a feeling of satisfaction. It was more of a feeling of "WTF?".

Harry hates Peter. Harry loses his memory and loves Peter again. Harry gets his memory back and hates Peter again. From out of nowhere it seemed, Harry's butler speaks up about what he saw "that night" and Harry has a change of heart and loves Peter...again. This back and forth love/hate stuff got real old in SM3. The same with MJ and Peter, only to the nth degree.

I thought it was a good idea to have Peter and Harry team up at the end. But you are right, the focus point of Harry should have been him conflicting whether or not to kill his best friend for killing his father. Then have Norman finally convince Harry to try to kill Peter but later have Harry figure out that he is only becoming to monster his father was and then help Peter instead of "I will kill him" then "I won't kill him" then "I will kill him" then "I won't kill him".

 

[American_Idiot]

Well Harry was conflicted the whole movie. He had a mini-Hamlet episode (or perhaps Laertes because he wasn't afraid of taking action). The end was him realizing his faults and the old Harry, the one who could've been if his father wasn't such a jackass (that is the purpose of seeing him when he couldn't remember his father's abuse) showed up and he died in peace.

You say SM3 jokes felt like one-liners from Full House...that's fine, I suppose. But the entirety of Full House felt like a sitcom. Very formulaic with simplistic plots that can be resolved in 22 minutes (this was stretched to 89 minutes however). Even the beginning of the movie's opening credits and the "family atmosphere" and the way shots were composed in the first movie (not so much the second)...It all felt like TV. But not good TV like The Office, Scrubs or something on HBO. But like 2 and 1/2 Men or...Full House.

Just my opinion, again, though.

The Office and Scrubs have amazing writers. Full House. Family Matters, and other crappy "family" sitcoms from the 90's coulda been written by manatees (as seen on South Park). Spider-Man's quips were either poorly written or just did not translate well on film...I can't tell. Johnny Storm was intended to be a sarcastic character, at least in the movies, and I felt they executed that perfectly. Just one more itsy bitsy "cool point" I felt the FF films had over the SM films.

I won't touch down on the ending w/ Spider-Man just letting a dangerous super-powered bank robber go like that because he apologized; the people here at the boards have already hammered that one out. But come to think of it, isn't that kind of a "Full House" ending? I remember that show always ending with a corny apology taking place on the chubby cheaked oldest sister's bed, between her and Bob Saget. Yeah, SM3's ending was about that bad. t:

 

[Mr. Socko]

While I do agree about the butler stuff, the whole back and forth thing pretty much happened in the comics. He became the Goblin, fought Peter, he forgot, loved Peter, he remembered, fought Peter, fought alongside Peter, fought against him again, etc... all the way up until his death.

He's gotten amnesia several times in the comics. Do it once in the film and you should be kicked to the curb. That's directed at you Raimi

 

[TMC1982]

*The lazy screenplay. The number of utter coincidences are virtually countless. For example, the black symbiote just conventally falls from outer space right next to Peter. Or how about how Eddie Brock just happened to be in the same church, at the same time that Peter was when he took off his black suit. Or how about, how Sandman "accidentally" runs into Venom, leading up to their unconvincing agreement to team-up. The writers should've used the video game angle, in which Venom threatened to kill Sandman's wife and daughter if he didn't help him get Spider-Man.

*Sandman being the real killer of Uncle Ben (and it was an accident). It completely contradicted the reason why Peter Parker became Spider-Man in the first place. Peter felt morally responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he failed to stop the robber even though he had an easy chance. That's why, the "With great power, comes great responsibilty!", motto is so imporant. But with Peter being pretty much off-the-hook, all of this has become virtually null.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

*Spider-Man lets Sandman get away. Even if he wasn't as evil as Venom, the bottom-line is that Sandman is still a criminal and needed to be brought to justice.

*Mary Jane gets kidnapped for the upteenth time by the big bad villian. Why couldn't have it been Gwen Stacy this time around (so things could be fresh)?

*The butler telling Harry (having getting his face scarred by "Emo" Peter) that his father's fatal wound was self-inflicted (and not Spider-Man's fault). Well geez, why couldn't you've told Harry that in the first movie?

*Peter being made to look like a complete jackass and tool by having him crying like a sissy or dancing to James Brown beats.

*That stupid, lisping British chick, who was "reporting" the climatic battle between Spidey & Harry vs. Sandman & Venom. It completely killed the intensity of the battle.

*Sam Raimi having Tobey Maguire unmask at virtually any chance he could get.

*J. Jonah Jameson not giving the villians their names like in the first two. Instead, we see him be relegated to a foil to some snot-nosed, smart alecky kids.

*Mary Jane comes across as a boardlerline, *****y (always complaining to Peter about her career or having a fit over Spider-Man upside-down kissing Gwen for show) **** (i.e. her kissing her boyfriend's amnesia inflicted best friend).

 

[Venom 1988]

Or how about how Eddie Brock just happened to be in the same church, at the same time that Peter was when he took off his black suit.

I never get this complaint, thats how it happened in the comics. Yea I know its very coincidental but whatever.

Or how about, how Sandman "accidentally" runs into Venom, leading up to their unconvincing agreement to team-up. The writers should've used the video game angle, in which Venom threatened to kill Sandman's wife and daughter if he didn't help him get Spider-Man.

Sandman didn't accidentally run into Venom; Venom was looking for Sandman. I do agree though that the team up was meh, they should have used the original park scene that they filmed and used in the novilization. Worked much better, hell like you said the video game version worked too.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

Teh fourth person? Im assuming you meant first person.

*Mary Jane gets kidnapped for the upteenth time by the big bad villian. Why couldn't have it been Gwen Stacy this time around (so things could be fresh)?

Orignally Gwen was supposed to be the one kidnapped, but according to commentary they changed it to MJ so Harry has a reason to go help Spidey. Lame reason though, cuz she could just came to him and been the one to plead to Harry to help Spidey and not the butler

 

[omid17]

*The lazy screenplay. The number of utter coincidences are virtually countless. For example, the black symbiote just conventally falls from outer space right next to Peter. Or how about how Eddie Brock just happened to be in the same church, at the same time that Peter was when he took off his black suit. Or how about, how Sandman "accidentally" runs into Venom, leading up to their unconvincing agreement to team-up. The writers should've used the video game angle, in which Venom threatened to kill Sandman's wife and daughter if he didn't help him get Spider-Man.

*Sandman being the real killer of Uncle Ben (and it was an accident). It completely contradicted the reason why Peter Parker became Spider-Man in the first place. Peter felt morally responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he failed to stop the robber even though he had an easy chance. That's why, the "With great power, comes great responsibilty!", motto is so imporant. But with Peter being pretty much off-the-hook, all of this has become virtually null.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

*Spider-Man lets Sandman get away. Even if he wasn't as evil as Venom, the bottom-line is that Sandman is still a criminal and needed to be brought to justice.

*Mary Jane gets kidnapped for the upteenth time by the big bad villian. Why couldn't have it been Gwen Stacy this time around (so things could be fresh)?

*The butler telling Harry (having getting his face scarred by "Emo" Peter) that his father's fatal wound was self-inflicted (and not Spider-Man's fault). Well geez, why couldn't you've told Harry that in the first movie?

*Peter being made to look like a complete jackass and tool by having him crying like a sissy or dancing to James Brown beats.

*That stupid, lisping British chick, who was "reporting" the climatic battle between Spidey & Harry vs. Sandman & Venom. It completely killed the intensity of the battle.

*Sam Raimi having Tobey Maguire unmask at virtually any chance he could get.

*J. Jonah Jameson not giving the villians their names like in the first two. Instead, we see him be relegated to a foil to some snot-nosed, smart alecky kids.

*Mary Jane comes across as a boardlerline, *****y (always complaining to Peter about her career or having a fit over Spider-Man upside-down kissing Gwen for show) **** (i.e. her kissing her boyfriend's amnesia inflicted best friend).

agreed with most of the stuff you said

 

[DACMAN]

I never get this complaint, thats how it happened in the comics. Yea I know its very coincidental but whatever.

Yeah, actually not really. In the comics it's days, maybe even weeks before Eddie is in the same church that Peter went into. The alien was slowly dieing in the shadows. And he isn't there to pray for the death of Peter, but to pray for himself because he was thinking about suicide. He also said he had gone from church to church all over New York before getting to that one. Which again, makes it less of a coincidence.

So yeah. You're wrong on this one. Which is suprising considering you appear to be a huge Venom fan.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah, actually not really. In the comics it's days, maybe even weeks before Eddie is in the same church that Peter went into. The alien was slowly dieing in the shadows. And he isn't there to pray for the death of Peter, but to pray for himself because he was thinking about suicide. He also said he had gone from church to church all over New York before getting to that one. Which again, makes it less of a coincidence.

So yeah. You're wrong on this one.

Right damn i forgot about that. It was during the day Peter lost the symbiote cuz he was just fighting the Vulturians, haven't this stuff in forever.

Anyway no need to rub it in

 

[DACMAN]

*The lazy screenplay. The number of utter coincidences are virtually countless. For example, the black symbiote just conventally falls from outer space right next to Peter. Or how about how Eddie Brock just happened to be in the same church, at the same time that Peter was when he took off his black suit. Or how about, how Sandman "accidentally" runs into Venom, leading up to their unconvincing agreement to team-up. The writers should've used the video game angle, in which Venom threatened to kill Sandman's wife and daughter if he didn't help him get Spider-Man.

*Sandman being the real killer of Uncle Ben (and it was an accident). It completely contradicted the reason why Peter Parker became Spider-Man in the first place. Peter felt morally responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he failed to stop the robber even though he had an easy chance. That's why, the "With great power, comes great responsibilty!", motto is so imporant. But with Peter being pretty much off-the-hook, all of this has become virtually null.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

*Spider-Man lets Sandman get away. Even if he wasn't as evil as Venom, the bottom-line is that Sandman is still a criminal and needed to be brought to justice.

*Mary Jane gets kidnapped for the upteenth time by the big bad villian. Why couldn't have it been Gwen Stacy this time around (so things could be fresh)?

*The butler telling Harry (having getting his face scarred by "Emo" Peter) that his father's fatal wound was self-inflicted (and not Spider-Man's fault). Well geez, why couldn't you've told Harry that in the first movie?

*Peter being made to look like a complete jackass and tool by having him crying like a sissy or dancing to James Brown beats.

*That stupid, lisping British chick, who was "reporting" the climatic battle between Spidey & Harry vs. Sandman & Venom. It completely killed the intensity of the battle.

*Sam Raimi having Tobey Maguire unmask at virtually any chance he could get.

*J. Jonah Jameson not giving the villians their names like in the first two. Instead, we see him be relegated to a foil to some snot-nosed, smart alecky kids.

*Mary Jane comes across as a boardlerline, *****y (always complaining to Peter about her career or having a fit over Spider-Man upside-down kissing Gwen for show) **** (i.e. her kissing her boyfriend's amnesia inflicted best friend).

Well said.

Not to mention it never explained how Eddie magically knew who Peter's girl friend is. All they had to do was show that Eddie gained Peter's memories through the alien.

 

[DACMAN]

Right damn i forgot about that. It was during the day Peter lost the symbiote cuz he was just fighting the Vulturians, haven't this stuff in forever.

Anyway no need to rub it in

Yeah. I kinda did with the whole Venom fan thing...t:

 

[omid17]

it think this would also be cool if they went along with it:

black spidey hanging on top of the church, Eddie sees him and wants to take better pics of him, eddie goes in church, once he enters he goes for the stairs that leads up to the roof, and thats when black spidey is getting rid of the symbiote and hits brock

 

[omid17]

Well said.

Not to mention it never explained how Eddie magically knew who Peter's girl friend is. All they had to do was show that Eddie gained Peter's memories through the alien.

well i don't think it was that confusing , cuz he knew everything about Flint along with sick child

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah. I kinda did with the whole Venom fan thing...t:

Gotcha lol

 

[DACMAN]

well i don't think it was that confusing , cuz he knew everything about Flint along with sick child

Yeah, but it makes sense that Flint and everything about him would be all over the news. He is the Sandman and people know he's the Sandman. I'm sure all his personal stuff is all over the place.