The "I hated Spider-Man 3" Thread!

[omid17]

Yeah, but it makes sense that Flint and everything about him would be all over the news. He is the Sandman and people know he's the Sandman. I'm sure all his personal stuff is all over the place.

yea but no one knew about his sick kid tho

 

[Venom 1988]

well i don't think it was that confusing , cuz he knew everything about Flint along with sick child

Well he would only know what Peter knows, which is that Flint is a criminal and he killed Uncle Ben. The symbiote didn't know anything else.

 

[Blader5489]

yea but no one knew about his sick kid tho

Deleted scene.

 

[Venom 1988]

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Alternate Deleted Scene

 

[DACMAN]

yea but no one knew about his sick kid tho

Says who? He wrote her how many letters from jail? Not to mention she has his last name. It seems pretty obvious people would know about it. The media digs up everything and anything.

 

[DACMAN]

Deleted scene.

Right. Thank you.

 

[omid17]

Says who? He wrote her how many letters from jail? Not to mention she has his last name. It seems pretty obvious people would know about it. The media digs up everything and anything.

yea true, but i think they were more concerned about him being some kind of sand monster

 

[DX]

Who the hell bumped this thread?

what?

Look, if you prefer FF2, fine. I can't change your mind.

But the things you stated....FF2 was a commercial. It was a bottom line for 20th Century Fox and nothing more. The screenplay was awful. THERE WAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. It had about as much depth as a puddle and artistry as a Big Mac. And that is what the movie was is a Big Mac.

I personally dislike Big Macs and McDonald's in general, but I know most like it. But when they claim it has gormuet meats and daily fresh bread is when I just scratch my head.


FF2 was a committee film. No more than 5 minutes of its 90 MINUTE RUNNING TIME was committed to character development. And most of it was very cliché and unoriginal. "Mom and dad would be so proud of you little sis," "I am going to marry the hot chick," and so on.

Plot threads are introduced and undeveloped for most of the movie and then a line of dialogue that is the cinematic equivalent of a band-aide is formed. Reed and Sue want to leave, Johnny is sad. Johnny messes up. It isn't mentioned again for the next 45 minutes and at the very end of the movie "Hey, Johnny we're not leaving, after no development of why we made that decision and no moment of catharsis for you confronting us. We just need to wrap up this plot thread that attempted to add drama." Johnny then says "Gee golly, that is sure swell."

Or Silver Surfer. He learned a lesson in the comics...one that you actually felt his journey through in that humans want to live. So basically since he thought Alba was hot and she died for him, he learned "We all have a choice." What? Excuse me? Sue said that line once and again a quick fix to get to the ending.

NO DEPTH. You didn't go on a journey with the characters. You watched them drive around a parking lot.

Fortunately it had such a smooth effortlessly flowing plot. "I don't like you Richards. So I'll trust a known terrorist and killer who calls himself DOCTOR DOOM to help me and the United States government over the guy who already did our work for twice without charging. Instead I'll let DOCTOR DOOM walk around with minimal security a military bunker with world-destruction weapons in his grasp."

Oh yeah you can feel the intelligently crafted storyline.

As for more faithful to the source material....sure. Okay. Venom may have disappointed but tell me when he constitues a cloud. People may dislike Raimi portraying Peter Parker's dancing as a vistage of his symbiote side. But you feel the reasons that make him go there. His girlfriend was manipulated (the love of his life) to leave him. His best friend betrayed him again and you felt the anger when he nearly kills Harry, nearly kills Sandman and slaps MJ. You see why he takes it off. You learn why he let's Sandy go. Why did SS save earth? Because he thought Alba was cute and sad when she died? That's it?!?!

FF2 is a hallow movie.

SM3 is a flawed movie. It is uneven. It has too many characters/storylines. It does not flow smoothly.

But there is some integrity in it. Raimi wanted to tell a story and he and Maguire cared about the characters and letting the audience feel their pain. At least so did Church in it because more people felt for the most underdeveloped character in the film than the rest. There was pathos there. There was humanity. That is why the whole 60 seconds Peter and Harry team up for are more satisfying and fantastic than the entirety of the FF2.

Just my opinion, though.

to almost everything.

 

[spida-man]

ah screw what ppl think I loved this movie one of the best superhero movies ever and the best of the spidey trilogy. and now i am not joking, this was the best Spidey movie. yea it could have been a little better, yea there were some things i didn't like about it, but it was still an awesome movie and the best of the three, i don't care what anyone else says.And one day when i get a chance i'm going to make a video on youtube about how much SM3 rocked, why some ppl's crazy opinions of it sucking(like the complaint of it being just a love story) are just plain stupid.

 

[The Joker]

*The lazy screenplay. The number of utter coincidences are virtually countless.

*Sandman being the real killer of Uncle Ben (and it was an accident). It completely contradicted the reason why Peter Parker became Spider-Man in the first place. Peter felt morally responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he failed to stop the robber even though he had an easy chance. That's why, the "With great power, comes great responsibilty!", motto is so imporant. But with Peter being pretty much off-the-hook, all of this has become virtually null.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

*Spider-Man lets Sandman get away. Even if he wasn't as evil as Venom, the bottom-line is that Sandman is still a criminal and needed to be brought to justice.

*Mary Jane gets kidnapped for the upteenth time by the big bad villian. Why couldn't have it been Gwen Stacy this time around (so things could be fresh)?

*The butler telling Harry (having getting his face scarred by "Emo" Peter) that his father's fatal wound was self-inflicted (and not Spider-Man's fault). Well geez, why couldn't you've told Harry that in the first movie?

*Peter being made to look like a complete jackass and tool by having him crying like a sissy or dancing to James Brown beats.

*That stupid, lisping British chick, who was "reporting" the climatic battle between Spidey & Harry vs. Sandman & Venom. It completely killed the intensity of the battle.

*Sam Raimi having Tobey Maguire unmask at virtually any chance he could get.

*J. Jonah Jameson not giving the villians their names like in the first two. Instead, we see him be relegated to a foil to some snot-nosed, smart alecky kids.

*Mary Jane comes across as a boardlerline, *****y (always complaining to Peter about her career or having a fit over Spider-Man upside-down kissing Gwen for show) **** (i.e. her kissing her boyfriend's amnesia inflicted best friend).

'Nuff said!

 

[Venom 1988]

And one day when i get a chance i'm going to make a video on youtube about how much SM3 rocked, why some ppl's crazy opinions of it sucking(like the complaint of it being just a love story) are just plain stupid.

 

[DACMAN]

... but it was still an awesome movie and the best of the three,.

Now, I can get someone saying they liked it. I can even get someone saying they loved it. But anyone that says the 3rd movie was better than the 2nd is either crazy or lieing and looking for attention.

 

[omid17]

Now, I can get someone saying they liked it. I can even get someone saying they loved it. But anyone that says the 3rd movie was better than the 2nd is either crazy or lieing and looking for attention.

agreed

 

[Blader5489]

Or how about how Eddie Brock just happened to be in the same church, at the same time that Peter was when he took off his black suit.

Because that's how it happened in comics?

Or how about, how Sandman "accidentally" runs into Venom, leading up to their unconvincing agreement to team-up. The writers should've used the video game angle, in which Venom threatened to kill Sandman's wife and daughter if he didn't help him get Spider-Man.

"Accidentally"? He was looking for Marko. It's not an accident if it's your intention. And the video game angle was originally in the film, but ended up being cut for time.

*Sandman being the real killer of Uncle Ben (and it was an accident). It completely contradicted the reason why Peter Parker became Spider-Man in the first place. Peter felt morally responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he failed to stop the robber even though he had an easy chance. That's why, the "With great power, comes great responsibilty!", motto is so imporant. But with Peter being pretty much off-the-hook, all of this has become virtually null.

I don't understand this complaint. How does Marko being the killer absolve Peter of responsibility? Had Peter stopped the burglar, Uncle Ben would still be alive. It's still as simple as that.

*Venom doesn't talk in the fourth-person. This is one example of how much Sam Raimi (who's more interested in the Silver Age Spidey stories) didn't care for the Venom character.

Fourth-person?!

Btw, Venom used first-person in his initial appearances in the comics.

*The butler telling Harry (having getting his face scarred by "Emo" Peter) that his father's fatal wound was self-inflicted (and not Spider-Man's fault). Well geez, why couldn't you've told Harry that in the first movie?

Because telling Harry that would have meant telling him that his father was a costumed mass murderer?

*J. Jonah Jameson not giving the villians their names like in the first two. Instead, we see him be relegated to a foil to some snot-nosed, smart alecky kids.

So you criticize the movie for recycling plot elements, but also criticize it for not recycling plot elements? Hmm...interesting. No wait, I mean hypocritical.

 

[omid17]

I don't understand this complaint. How does Marko being the killer absolve Peter of responsibility?

Had Peter stopped the burglar, Uncle Ben would still be alive. It's still as simple as that.
[/QUOTE] you make it sound like it's peters fault



[QUOTE]
Because telling Harry that would have meant telling him that his father was a costumed mass murderer[/QUOTE]ok so telling him a few years later makes it any better?:huh:

 

[TMC1982]

Because that's how it happened in comics?



"Accidentally"? He was looking for Marko. It's not an accident if it's your intention. And the video game angle was originally in the film, but ended up being cut for time.



I don't understand this complaint. How does Marko being the killer absolve Peter of responsibility? Had Peter stopped the burglar, Uncle Ben would still be alive. It's still as simple as that.



Fourth-person?!

Btw, Venom used first-person in his initial appearances in the comics.



Because telling Harry that would have meant telling him that his father was a costumed mass murderer?



So you criticize the movie for recycling plot elements, but also criticize it for not recycling plot elements? Hmm...interesting. No wait, I mean hypocritical.

"Accidentally"? He was looking for Marko. It's not an accident if it's your intention. And the video game angle was originally in the film, but ended up being cut for time.

They could've presented their meeting in a more though out fashion. I don't care if the original scene ended up being cut for time. You still need to come up with a better explaination for Venom and Sandman working together than what was ultimately found in the finished product.

 

[msamelia]

i dislike spiderman 3.. i like the others better

 

[In2Minds]

i know its late but ill add my two pennys

*applauds slowly* thank you so much Rami and co for making my favourite villan live on the big screen!

NOT!

I mean seriously come on! venom is spider-man's joker, he is the anti spider the one you should focus primarily on building up, and emo parker -_- dont get me started, i was looking forward to seeeing spidey crush a villian with a metal door because he just has the power due to the suit or something simmilar, instead i was treated "beegees" dance sequence and a crappy piano playing smirk COME ON!

and what happened (as was already mentioned) venoms "WE" uhh rami hello eddie brock + symbiote= 2 seperate creatures in ONE BODY YOU IDIOT!

Rami crapped over the single greatest spidey villian simply because its not his favourite? WHAT ARE YOU 4?! THESE MOVIES ARENT FOR YOU ***NUT THEY ARE MADE TO ENTERTAIN US!

In short Rami ruined both Venom (my all time favourite Villian along with the joker) and sandman, the movie was crap and anyone who says otherwise needs to be castrated as does rami himself!

god can you imgine if they signed him up for a Civil War movie?! *shudder*

 

[omid17]

i know its late but ill add my two pennys

*applauds slowly* thank you so much Rami and co for making my favourite villan live on the big screen!

NOT!

I mean seriously come on! venom is spider-man's joker, he is the anti spider the one you should focus primarily on building up, and emo parker -_- dont get me started, i was looking forward to seeeing spidey crush a villian with a metal door because he just has the power due to the suit or something simmilar, instead i was treated "beegees" dance sequence and a crappy piano playing smirk COME ON!

and what happened (as was already mentioned) venoms "WE" uhh rami hello eddie brock + symbiote= 2 seperate creatures in ONE BODY YOU IDIOT!

Rami crapped over the single greatest spidey villian simply because its not his favourite? WHAT ARE YOU 4?! THESE MOVIES ARENT FOR YOU ***NUT THEY ARE MADE TO ENTERTAIN US!

In short Rami ruined both Venom (my all time favourite Villian along with the joker) and sandman, the movie was crap and anyone who says otherwise needs to be castrated as does rami himself!

god can you imgine if they signed him up for a Civil War movie?! *shudder*

yea i wish raimi thought about us too, i guess he was too busy finding a role for his daughter

 

[Blader5489]

you make it sound like it's peters fault

Because it is Peter's fault. Marko being the shooter doesn't change that Pete is still partially to blame, just as he always has been.

ok so telling him a few years later makes it any better?

When you're literally killing yourself over misguided revenge? And when you've already discovered your father's secret? Yeah, telling him a couple years later is better.

They could've presented their meeting in a more though out fashion. I don't care if the original scene ended up being cut for time. You still need to come up with a better explaination for Venom and Sandman working together than what was ultimately found in the finished product.

What better explanation? Venom sought out Sandman, found him, and exploited his desperation to manipulate him. It's more clear with the alternate scene, but either way the reason for the "team up" still makes sense.

 

[omid17]

Because it is Peter's fault. Marko being the shooter doesn't change that Pete is still partially to blame, just as he always has been.

still he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger, peter may blame himself, but it's Flints fault not Peters

 

[Vile]

This film works in the same vein that X-Men 3 does - Check yer brain at the door, forget any semblance of plot and character and enjoy the pretty colors and CGI.

To break it down further - simply fast forward to all the fight scenes.

 

[Blader5489]

This film works in the same vein that X-Men 3 does - Check yer brain at the door, forget any semblance of plot and character and enjoy the pretty colors and CGI.

To break it down further - simply fast forward to all the fight scenes.

I don't think so.

 

[TMC1982]

Because it is Peter's fault. Marko being the shooter doesn't change that Pete is still partially to blame, just as he always has been.



When you're literally killing yourself over misguided revenge? And when you've already discovered your father's secret? Yeah, telling him a couple years later is better.



What better explanation? Venom sought out Sandman, found him, and exploited his desperation to manipulate him. It's more clear with the alternate scene, but either way the reason for the "team up" still makes sense.

Basically, it was like "Hey, you hate Spider-Man and I hate Spider-Man, lets together!" There was no real sense of plausibility behind that segment due to the utterly lazy screenplay.

 

[In2Minds]

i hope to god they can rami and string him up for this, then redo venom PROPERLY (ie his own film) and move onto Carnage bumping up the ages for both to 15 and 18 respectively, because carnage as a character simply CANNOT star in a movie less than a 15 rating at a pinch, Carnage is a Psycho bonded to a Psycho, i reckon we(people on the Hype) should direct these movies now :P we'd do a damn sight better than rami ever will after 3 and to think he said in an interview "i respect the source material of these comics"....umm excuse me Mr. Rami i think you need to look up the meaning of that word.