The Dark Knight Rises The Impact of a big gap between sequels

Bruce Malone

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Let's say Nolan does come back for the 3rd film but ends up pulling a cameron and ends up taking about 8 or so years betwen the dark knight and its sequel. How would that effect the series as a whole?

Also how long would WB realy give nolan to make the next film?
 
I'd say they'll give him 3 years max, and if he can't deliver then someone else will be hired.
 
It's business at the end of the day...

Anything beyond 4 years and you threaten people losing interest in the franchise... aging actors... harder to get yourself into that ''place'' where you left off.. people thinking it's a reboot etc.

If Nolan can't commit to a release of 2012... then Warner Bros. really need to search their options.

Or they better have one hell of a marketing campaign...
 
Let's say Nolan does come back for the 3rd film but ends up pulling a cameron and ends up taking about 8 or so years betwen the dark knight and its sequel. How would that effect the series as a whole?

Also how long would WB realy give nolan to make the next film?

To answer the first part of your question, Not good. Bale, Caine, Freeman, & Oldham are superb actors and they are not getting any younger. As the timeline stands (in the story) right now, isn't Batman in year 2? It would be practically impossible to pull a year 2, with Christian Bale looking "middle-aged." Just look over the James Bond series as you see Sean Connery's hair line receding over time and Roger Moore's skin starting to lose elasticity and physical flexibility. For the sake of continuity, I would like to see these actors in their "Bat" roles one more time before new actors are hired to replace them to take on a new story arc.

As for your 2nd question, I would give Nolan 2 years or right after his next film. Batman is so much larger then Chris Nolan and there is still so many great stories to tell to allow one talented director to hold everything up.
 
I don't care really how long, quality over quantity is more important to me.
 
It's not your waiting that concerns people... it's the studio thinking from a business stand point...

I doubt WB are going to wait 10 years for Chris Nolan just because he is going to provide them quality.

They don't want people losing interest... Batman is their only real defense at the Marvel movies which are so successful at this point.

They seem lost with Superman and the public don't seem interested... I think they are just keeping their options open for Batman.
 
I don't think people are going to loose interest in Batman. He's been around long enough, and has stood the testament of time. I would be more worried about something happening to Cain and Freemen then anything else. I think everybody needs to chill on what Nolan is doing, as I'm sure we'll find out sooner then you think.
 
Not worried about such a gap. I'm sure, one way or another, we'll see another Batman film by 2013.
 
3/4 years between TDK and any potential sequel would be fine with me if it meant Nolan was coming back for one more. Anything after that I think is too much, and as already pointed out, Batman is the heavyweight that is needed to counter the Marvel films. Just look at what Marvel have in store over the next three years; Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man 4 and the big one, The Avengers. WB need to get a Batman film out within this timeframe in order to ensure this franchise stays fresh in the minds of the public amongst such scary competition.
 
3/4 years between TDK and any potential sequel would be fine with me if it meant Nolan was coming back for one more. Anything after that I think is too much, and as already pointed out, Batman is the heavyweight that is needed to counter the Marvel films. Just look at what Marvel have in store over the next three years; Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man 4 and the big one, The Avengers. WB need to get a Batman film out within this timeframe in order to ensure this franchise stays fresh in the minds of the public amongst such scary competition.




I don't think Batman is the only heavy weight against Marvel, with a GL movie in the works, talks of many other DC heroes, movies been made. I honestly wouldn't care about waiting for the right batman movie to come out. Why? Because I bet they make a ton more off all the other goodies they dish out, cartoons, toys, magazines, comics, etc.
 
I don't get why people keep bring up Marvel, honestly who gives a rats arse about Marvel? WB have got probably got a dozen non comic related franchises planned for the next 10 years, their primary concern is not comic adaptations.

As for when WB will move on from Nolan, so far WB haven't done what most studios do and announce a sequel date a week after the previous film. The moment we hear of a Batman 3 release date and Nolan hasn't committed, that's the moment Nolan fans can be concerned.
 
Not worried about such a gap. I'm sure, one way or another, we'll see another Batman film by 2013.

*nods* I'm not hugely worried myself, though maybe an 8 year gap would be a stretch even by my standards and I'm a very patient person. 5 years would be a long time for me already but I'd survive. 8, just as an example, does sound long. The older you get, the longer such periods of time seem to be, you know.

Plus, a lot (not ALL) of the younger crowd (teens and early 20's folks maybe but teens especially) aren't famous for their patience, so you've got both a group of slightly more patient older fans and the younger "instant gratification" fans not used to waiting years and years or even decades for a new film, wringing their hands over a movie production and speaking up about the delays. There's always someone, old or young, complaining about something, and as a fan complaining is pretty much expected of you. The question is if DC/WB actually care.

The younger fans are a big portion of the target demographic. Losing their interest or upsetting them with a long delay between films isn't ideal for a franchise. Not sure how huge an effect that would have on a movie production though. The companies do know fans are the ones who complain the most anyway, so maybe they're thinking complaining is something that comes with the whole package, and they don't pay it that much attention? How much can DC/WB possibly care, really? Hm.

But I think upset online fans constantly bemoaning the delays are bad publicity at the end of the day and that some attention at least should be paid to them. The shelved JLA movie didn't exactly get good publicity and fan opinions weren't the reason why production stopped but maybe they made WB wonder a little, who knows?

Overall, they know fans don't like it but at the same time there's not much they can do about delays if they're waiting for a certain director to come on board. If they're set on one busy director and one alone for the time being, they're going to ignore the fan comments and just wait it out. It's the risk they're willing to take if they want Nolan so much. Bad publicity or no. And the longer the waiting, the more complaining there will be from people. At some point the media will start wondering what's taking so long, too. All eyes are set on this franchise and Nolan.

As for the time frame, it's hard to say but I think WB would wait for Nolan for a while but not forever. And to some 8 years does seem "forever" and 10 like "eternity and beyond". :woot: From a business standpoint? Who knows? Do you wait 10 years to have a good hit somewhat compared to TDK but nothing of the ilk before that or do you send Nolan packing and hire someone new and have a moderate hit (by TDK's standards) sooner as more of a short-term solution?

Wouldn't die-hard fans go with the first option and money-hungry execs with the latter? WB can say the ball's in Nolan's court all they want, there's still the question how long they're willing to play that particular game. So it's not just us fans waiting, it's WB, too. I see it as a test of patience on both sides.

(Sorry for the length.)
 
Normally I would say whatever, yeah, as long as it's made properly, but this isn't Terminator. With 'T', you can pull that crap off because time has so much to do with the story. Not so much with Batman; maybe a year or two or so, but that's it. Not decades back and forth when you can do it whenever your money starts to run dry. With Bats it doesn't quite work like that, so I say nay to a large gap and also that because of WB's reputation for being 'all about the benjamins', I highly doubt it'd ever happen.
 
No studio will wait eight years to make another sequel to the second largest domestic film of all-time. If Nolan takes any longer than another year or so to decide, then WB is surely going to let him go. No matter how talented Nolan is, WB wants to strike while the iron is still hot. They're already taking a slight risk in giving Nolan so much time to sit and think on Batman while their competitors are all quickly away trying to capture the same magic as TDK with superhero films of their own. I appreciate WB giving Nolan time to decide, but it's already been a year, and as much as I hate to say it, if Nolan doesn't officially jump on by about spring of next year then they should start looking elsewhere. At this point, even if Nolan returns the soonest we could see B3 is by 2012, though 2013 is a surer bet. That's a huge gamble on WB's behalf, but they believe in Nolan and lightning striking once more, that is why they're waiting. I just hope that at the end of this waiting game Nolan doesn't waste WB's time and they have to essentially start from scratch, delaying B3 even longer.

Still, regardless of what Nolan's decision is, I'm still going to support his films, cause through the course of his tenure on the Batman franchise I've become a huge of his non-Batman related work and I think it's very fickle to stop liking a particular filmmaker just because he decides not to make a sequel to one of his films.
 
I don't get this 'striking whilst the iron's hot' thing, like are the $1 Billion worth of people seriously going to abandon a follow up to one of the biggest movies in history simply because it takes a couple years more to make, especially if the same cast and director returns? If WB wanted to strike whilst the iron was hot they would have announced a release date for Batman 3 a week after TDK opened.
 
True but the movie-going audience is a very fickle bunch. While superhero diehards and diehard movie-goers will flock to see a third Batman film in this saga, would the average still go without all the press from the passing of Ledger to the intense publicity done for TDK and then the word-of-mouth once the film hit? It IS a huge gamble and one I don't think WB are willing to risk. Some franchises have done well waiting 3+ years like James Bond with GoldenEye and more importantly Casino Royale, but then we have franchises like The X-Files which, whilst I liked the newest film, it did not go well at all. And then don't even get me started on Superman. Returns had so much potential and while it was a descent film, was not worth the long wait.
 
The average Joe's of the world are the ones who made TDK the success it was, the comic community makes up but a fraction of the paying patrons, to suggest the general public are going to simply 'forget' just coz it takes an extra year or two than the usual 3 years cycle I think is ridiculous, if anything, making people wait that little bit longer for a follow up to one of the best mainstream films in the last decade is just going to build up the anticipation. There's no risk in WB waiting, it's just grossed a billion dollars, was critically acclaimed, loved by the audience and was nominated for 8 Oscars, granted the same cast and crew return you could wait 10 years to do film three and it would still be a highly anticipated movie.
 
Keep in mind SM3-SM4 will have a four year transition as probably will be the case with IM2-IM3. Four years is pushing it, but it is doable. Five years or more is pushing it, but if they wait that long... Batman would have to be written as an older character. You start getting into that Dick Grayson/Robin territory.
 
I think three years should be the max. I didn't like waiting that long for the X-Men films, and I still don't. If I could have it my way, we'd have a new Batman movie every other year. I'd love to have Batman 3 in 2010... But I'll settle for 2011. I doubt WB is going to wait more than three years for the next Batman movie from Nolan. He's a perfect director for the series, but it's a business and you know how things work. :cwink:
 
Logistically there is no way BB3 is coming out by 2011
 
It will not take 8 years. Nolan has a plan. Cameron always has a plan but he's not the one working on a Highly anticipated SEQUEL, Nolan is. I'm sure after the next Batman, Nolan will take a long break as well.
 
If Nolan hasn't made some commitment to this by the end of the year they will probably be searching for someone else. I don't see them only doing 3 films either. Unless nolan is going to come back after making another film in between sequels we are going to wind up with someone else. I'm sure they will offer him a substantial amount of money.
 

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