Iron Man 2 The Iron Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread

[ElMariachi]

Of course its different, goons have faces and can talk, the drones couldnt, goons arent faceless, we see their reactions, faces, etc, its totally different than faceless drones who have no reactions.

At the end of the day, I just dont expect to walk out of a $200 million movie unsatisfied with the action.

The goons in TDK were all faceless wearing clown masks. Do you recall what any of the goons in Begins looked like? Or any of the Golmira terrorists in IM aside from the leader? Goons and faceless drones are equivalent in my book. They are cannon fodder for the hero to waste. And in my opinion, the ending to TDK and IM2 were really no different. Batman fought a bunch of faceless men and had a really short, uneventful fight with the Joker. Pretty much the same as Iron Man fighting a bunch of drones and then a quick fight with the main villian.

I really think you people expect too much. Did you really want the Whiplash fight to drag on and on? He pretty much beat War Machine in seconds and had the upper hand in the fight. How much longer should it drag before it ends?

 

[Tony Stark]

Well, looks like I was wrong.

Well those movies are bad to me and I wasn't speaking for anyone else but myself. I've never liked the original Superman movies. Thats not a cool opinion but it's my opinion.

As for that A Cinema Score it hasn't stopped the movie from dropping almost as badly as Spider-Man 3 which I don't remember having an A Cinema Score. Like Superman Returns this movie's word of mouth is obviously lackluster which doesn't mean anything this time because it's still going to hit 600mil but next time it won't be that lucky. This movies legs have been bad so far and thats what I'm looking at.

Yet again, you complain about others comparing this movie to other superhero movies, but then you just do the same.

Honestly I don't know what your agenda is, but you've contantly failed to add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

 

[hatebox]

The goons in TDK were all faceless wearing clown masks. Do you recall what any of the goons in Begins looked like? Or any of the Golmira terrorists in IM aside from the leader? Goons and faceless drones are equivalent in my book. They are cannon fodder for the hero to waste. And in my opinion, the ending to TDK and IM2 were really no different. Batman fought a bunch of faceless men and had a really short, uneventful fight with the Joker.

Physically Batman's fight with the Joker was uneventful, but psychologically a lot more was going on with their skyscraper sequence. I don't blame Iron Man for not having that because the Batman/Joker dynamic is an endless well of riches, but likewise I don't think the hero/villain climaxes of the two films are comparable either.

Hate to turn this into a TDK debate, but you started it.

 

[ElMariachi]

Physically Batman's fight with the Joker was uneventful, but psychologically a lot more was going on with their skyscraper sequence. I don't blame Iron Man for not having that because the Batman/Joker dynamic is an endless well of riches, but likewise I don't think the hero/villain climaxes of the two films are comparable either.

Hate to turn this into a TDK debate, but you started it.

thats true, but it still was roughly the same set up. Nobody demanded an epic Batman/Joker brawl last 8 minutes. It was quick and got to the point. Thats all we needed with Iron Man 2.

 

[danoyse]

Yet again, you complain about others comparing this movie to other superhero movies, but then you just do the same.

Honestly I don't know what your agenda is, but you've contantly failed to add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

Neither do you when you post things like that. Put someone on ignore if you don't want to listen to them.

 

[danoyse]

As for that A Cinema Score it hasn't stopped the movie from dropping almost as badly as Spider-Man 3 which I don't remember having an A Cinema Score. Like Superman Returns this movie's word of mouth is obviously lackluster which doesn't mean anything this time because it's still going to hit 600mil but next time it won't be that lucky. This movies legs have been bad so far and thats what I'm looking at.

Yet, Spiderman 3 was still the highest grossing movie of 2007.

Iron Man 2 is not doing badly. At all.

 

[Marvin]

My main problem with the movie was the terrible script. The movie had one of the best casts around and they had to work with a s**t script. That was tremendously disappointing to me.

Why can't the lovers of the movie just talk about the actual movie and stop deflicting attention to those terrible Transformers movies and that awful Spider-Man 3?

there's been alot of talk about the IM2 script. Many of the reviews are going on and on about it.
when the Transformers "critiques" roll in every year the script (which is by all right "really bad") seems to never get mentioned...

Iron mans performance is a surprise to say the least. Those commercials were really selling it to be a strong contender, moreover, just like 2008 it's being followed by dissapointing competition.

IMO it just boils down the lack of tonal energy the film has.
Both (the first) TF, Ironman, Spidy and TDK have this, whereas Ironman 2, hulk and SR don't. they just fall flat where they should soar.

IM one has the dude captured by terrorists with no way out, he uses his supersmarts and fights overcomes the situation no jokes about it. IM2 opens with the jokey pepper pots suit case "fight" then moves onto a tonally off kilter fight with his friend complete with background music, and then the big finale is against faceless drones with IM just standing around shooting and flying around et vanko part deux.

gone is the strong dangerous villian of the first and here we have a wannabe that dances around and couldn't hurt a fly, Vanko is all bark. If you ask most people what the strongest thing in TDK was it's an obvious answer. It's pretty much the difference between the first and second film.

lastly Tony isn't doing super amazing things anymore, he's almost in nolan batmans level of not being a special person and being handed things and answers. Not only did shield show up and hand him the materials and answers he needed but that new element "he" created in the film was actually concieved by his dad during lesser times.

that was a long ramble in a nut shell

1. lack of tonal consistency
2. lack of spectacle
3. lack of compelling villian
4. lack of super hero being super

equates to a film that's going to crawl it's way to to matching the first's numbers.

and judging by the way that hammer looked and joe johnstons track record, I'm expeting more TIH duds from marvel. I'm hoping for better.

bring on Peter Berg and Francis Lawrence.

 

[Marvin]

still it's not doing as bad as wolverine or DD

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I thought the action was bad ass personally. Could there have been more? Sure. But i liked the character moments too. I mean, more action could of resulted in less Sam Rockwell, and that would just be an utter travesty in my book.

They could have just made the movie longer, I would never ask for less Sam Rockwell, if anything I wanted more of him, as well as the action .

Same here. I would hate to see reactions from some to the first Die Hard movie if it came out this week. "Not enough action!". Good lord....we play too many Xbox games.
I think the fact this movie got an A CinemaScore speaks to how well it was balanced. 5th biggest OW ever and about 450 million so far in the coffers means all sequel plans are on track. If something happens to jeopardize the Avenger storyline, then I'll get upset.

I thought the movie didnt have enough action and have never owned an XBox or Playstation 3 in my life, last console I owned was the PS1 10 years ago, so your observation is ******** my friend, why cant people accept that some were just a little dissapointed with what we got?

The goons in TDK were all faceless wearing clown masks. Do you recall what any of the goons in Begins looked like? Or any of the Golmira terrorists in IM aside from the leader? Goons and faceless drones are equivalent in my book. They are cannon fodder for the hero to waste. And in my opinion, the ending to TDK and IM2 were really no different. Batman fought a bunch of faceless men and had a really short, uneventful fight with the Joker. Pretty much the same as Iron Man fighting a bunch of drones and then a quick fight with the main villian.

I really think you people expect too much. Did you really want the Whiplash fight to drag on and on? He pretty much beat War Machine in seconds and had the upper hand in the fight. How much longer should it drag before it ends?

Actually, I remember a lot of the faces of the goons in BB, TDK and IM1, so that puts your theory to bed, I remember their reactions to the heroes and what they did and they made the scene's all the better for me, I would prefer the cannon fodder to have a face and be able to react, the drones couldnt, not to mention they werent a viable threat.

As for the ending of TDK, The Joker wasnt a physical match for Batman at all, he knew this, he even mentions it, so no one was expecting a physical confrontation and thankfully we never got one, as someone else said it was psychological, which has always been the dynamic between the two.

Iron Man and Whiplash have never really had a dynamic, at least when you compare them to Batman and The Joker, so it was movies job to create one and in this it did a pretty good job, but the climax of their rivalry was just totally unsatisfactory, you ask me what more do I want? The fights in X2, Spiderman 2 and even Hellboy II and ROTF are always talked about as being amoung the best ever, will that ever happen with IM2? No, what I want is to be satisfied, I wasnt, the whole movie built up to their confrontation only for it to last about a minute, as I said earlier, I dont expect to be walking out of a $200 million movie not satisfied with the action and I did.

 

[Immortalfire]

Yet, Spiderman 3 was still the highest grossing movie of 2007.

Iron Man 2 is not doing badly. At all.

A lot of movies would kill to do as "bad" as Spidey 3.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Damn, people will ***** about anything. Iron Man 2 IS a good movie, hell it was better than any movie from last year save Inglorious Basterds, District 9 & Up.

 

[Anita18]

Yet, Spiderman 3 was still the highest grossing movie of 2007.

Iron Man 2 is not doing badly. At all.

Of course not. It's just that people expected it to do better.

And SM3-like drops aren't going to help Avengers or IM3. IM2 isn't NEARLY as cringe-inducing as SM3, so hopefully the momentum won't be as thwarted.

 

[Iron_Stark]

A lot of movies would kill to do as "bad" as Spidey 3.

A lot of movies would kill to have the same numbers Iron Man 2 is having right now. A LOT.

 

[Figs]

there's been alot of talk about the IM2 script. Many of the reviews are going on and on about it.
when the Transformers "critiques" roll in every year the script (which is by all right "really bad") seems to never get mentioned.

Over the years i've noticed that with most, yes most critics whether they're "professional" or not. If you read a lot of reviews from some of the same critics you'll notice that some aspects they comment on about one film they won't for another. I think it has to do with a lot of them not wanting to use a boring checklist of what to comment on for every film. I don't necessarily consider it being biased but sort of forgetful. When I get off my lazy ass to do an amateur review just for fun I tend to do the same thing at times.

I do think movies should be reviewed fair across the board but when certain things about a movie(whether they're positive or negative)really grab your attention other elements can get lost amongst your other thoughts.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Of course not. It's just that people expected it to do better.

And SM3-like drops aren't going to help Avengers or IM3. IM2 isn't NEARLY as cringe-inducing as SM3, so hopefully the momentum won't be as thwarted.

Seriously, how is this not going to help the Avengers or Iron Man 3? Please

 

[Anita18]

Seriously, how is this not going to help the Avengers or Iron Man 3? Please

SM3's drops were pretty bad. (Warning, I'm going to bring up TDK again ) Its opening weekend was pretty much on par with TDK but it fell short of TDK's total by almost $200 million. That's a HUGE chunk of change, and although TDK's multiplier was pretty impressive for a blockbuster that opened to $100 million+, it wasn't as good as SM1's multiplier, or obviously Avatar's. That meant that SM3's WOM wasn't getting people into the theater. Or back into the theater. Whichever.

WOM means momentum, which is something you want when you're in the middle of a series. You want people coming back for more. If the momentum isn't there, it's going to be harder to get people into the theater. If the momentum IS there, it'll be easier to get people into the theater. It's the difference between BB and SR. Whose sequel was insanely successful? Heck, which movie got a sequel at all?

Of course, weak momentum from your previous film can be overcome with a really great current movie and great marketing. Momentum helps though, for sure. It makes the filmmakers' and studio's jobs easier.

 

[topdog1]

No matter how you cut it, breaking $250 million domestic in 16 days under these economic conditions is simply amazing. Past year's numbers may not be a good indicator. Despite certain claims, I think word of mouth is very good for this film.

 

[Anita18]

No matter how you cut it, breaking $250 million domestic in 16 days under these economic conditions is simply amazing. Past year's numbers may not be a good indicator. Despite certain claims, I think word of mouth is very good for this film.

People keep mentioning the bad economic conditions, but I'm pretty sure that the economy was crap mere months ago when Avatar passed Titanic. By almost $150 million. Heck, Avatar is STILL making money in theaters and it was released on DVD a month ago!

If people want to see a movie, almost nothing is going to stop them. You just have to convince them that it's going to be worth their time and money.

 

[lespaul59]

No matter how you cut it, breaking $250 million domestic in 16 days under these economic conditions is simply amazing. Past year's numbers may not be a good indicator. Despite certain claims, I think word of mouth is very good for this film.

I don't get how $250 million is bad either. Somebody correct me but other than Avatar, How To Train Your Dragon and Alice in Wonderland have any movies been consitently strong? And those three have had extra 3D money where as IM2 has already made more money than HTTYD and might even have a chance of topping AIWL with out the added 3D money. I just don't get the IM2 is doing good attitude when it's only been out for going on it's third week and is already $50mil over it's budget.

 

[TheVileOne]

So what if Avatar passed Titanic. It's a freaking James Cameron movie. Only a movie like Avatar could do that.

Iron Man's current numbers put it above just about every other superhero franchise EXCEPT Spider-man.

The movie is doing great business and people are being whiney haters and naysayers. It figures.

What did you all say when Spider-man 2 did not even surpass Spider-man?

 

[Tony Stark]

People keep mentioning the bad economic conditions, but I'm pretty sure that the economy was crap mere months ago when Avatar passed Titanic. By almost $150 million. Heck, Avatar is STILL making money in theaters and it was released on DVD a month ago!

If people want to see a movie, almost nothing is going to stop them. You just have to convince them that it's going to be worth their time and money.

Actually the economy is worse now, there was a 1000 point drop in the Dow the week of the US release date, and the situation in Greece threatens to break the EU.

Second of all adjusted for inflation Avatar did not pass Titanic, and is behind by 250 million, and even more if you calculate 3D costs.

 

[hatebox]

I don't buy the economy argument at all. Pizza Hut's revenues actually went up in the last couple of years because people wanted a cheap instead of expensive restaurant. Despite price rises, movies are still seen as cheap entertainment (not to mention escapism), and that's recession proof. Avatar proves it, and that had 3D prices. If people want to see it, they'll see it.

 

[Ipodman]

So what if Avatar passed Titanic. It's a freaking James Cameron movie. Only a movie like Avatar could do that.

Iron Man's current numbers put it above just about every other superhero franchise EXCEPT Spider-man.

The movie is doing great business and people are being whiney haters and naysayers. It figures.

What did you all say when Spider-man 2 did not even surpass Spider-man?

That is something I've always been puzzled with ever since.

Spider-man 2 was much more well received than Sm1, but lesser people saw it?

 

[hatebox]

On paper it's odd, but SM1 was a genuine phenomenon. It's hard to follow up a beast like that, just like no-one expects Batman 3 to beat TDK.

IM1 was not a phenomoenon, it was just a big, pleasant surprise. So for IM2 the studio absolutely would have expected/still do expect it to pass its predecessor.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Stop mentioning the economy. The movie industry thrives in a bad economy.