Civil War The Iron Man Thread (Cap 3 Edition)

[Iron_Stark]

I was on Team IM in the comics to (despite Marvel trying it's hardest to make him seem like the bad guy). His argument was much more convincing to me, Cap's struck me as being, well frankly naïve to a stupid degree.

Exactly! People were acting like it was like the Mutant Registration Act, where if you're a mutant, you automatically have to register and made public, kinda like a sex offender. The SHRA was if you want to do any sort of super heroing, you have to register and it wouldn't be made public. Kinda like getting a gun and getting a hunting license.

The problem was the writers were making the SHRA to be like the Mutant Registration, and also making damned sure Tony and the "evil government" were the villains while Cap was sympathetic.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

RDJ really sold the "So was I" line. Hopefully Civil War brings out more of the dramatic chops in him.

Yeah. That line gives me chills.

 

[Enriquespy]

"So was I"= "But I knew him" in the feels area.

 

[FrozenBanana00]

Team Iron Man/RDJ all the way. No one hurts my baby <3

 

[Hunter Rider]

Tony comes of as the face in wrestling terms, what Cap is doing is selfish and almost childlike. Bucky has a lot of blood on his hands, brainwashing or not it needs to be addressed and he needs to face some form of justice. Tony is merely trying to facilitate that and make sure they as heroes are not a law unto themselves.

"So was I"

 

[The Chris]

Well If Bucky is being framed for something specific here I can understand even more why Cap is standing by him.

I just loved how serious Iron Man comes off in this. This movie has potential to hurt

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Mark Millar knew Tony was in the right from a logical, rational standpoint. But in their pursuit of achieving a more even handed ideological battle, they resorted to turning Tony into a cartoon fascist, instead of trying to make Cap more reasonable. Ultimately screwing the whole fricking story up. Methinks Mark Millar doesn't really like Cap. His portrayal of Ultimate Cap is closer to how he views the man than Millar would like to admit. Hence why it feels like he brought some of Ultimate Cap's boneheaded stupidity in the 616 version.

 

[Leenie]

I love Cap, but if he's doing all of this JUST because Bucky is his friend, then I'm with Team Iron Man.

 

[third3ye]

I totally get Stark's motivations - he's burdened with an extreme protector mentality, he was to blame for Ultron and Sokovia, and Bucky allegedly killed his parents. Having said all that, I'm still Team Cap all the way So far it does look like the writers are making a real effort not to make this conflict black and white, in a way consistent with how Stark and Rogers' characters have developed over the years.

 

[Leenie]

I totally get Stark's motivations - he's burdened with an extreme protector mentality, he was to blame for Ultron and Sokovia, and Bucky allegedly killed his parents. Having said all that, I'm still Team Cap all the way So far it does look like the writers are making a real effort not to make this conflict black and white, in a way consistent with how Stark and Rogers' characters have developed over the years.

I like that, too. It makes for a more compelling conflict between the two characters/"teams."

It also makes the conflict more heartbreaking if you understand where both characters are coming from.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

i just came to a conclusion so i post it here again...tony left the avengers after AoU didn't he? or just backed up even more.
he was a consultant anyway...so i guess he just flip flops with what works better for him.

he saw all the destruction and now he wants to prevent anyfurther incidents ..

he wen't to ross in that bar telling him about the avengers in the incredible hulk. which already makes him an ally to a certain degree.

tony was always on his own side...never for the gonverment or the avengers soleli ...this freedom i think is what cap want's...and tony fears the loose of control.


well according to cap..he just follows orders...but since he's the one in charge he'd like to opperate in his own way...like tony did..all for him himself. that's an ego clash at it's finest

 

[TalismanRing]

Tony was still funding the Avengers, he built that new complex.

Tony was asked by Coulson and SHIELD to go to Ross and it was done as a way to manipulate Ross into doing what they wanted done, not to be allies with him.

 

[TalismanRing]

“In combative terms, it’s escalation of force,” Oram said. “It plays into the character’s history. In the beginning, it was all about “me,” so there’s collateral damage, and he learns he can’t be that reckless. That means over the course of the movies, he’s had to learn to exert control. The real challenge is having the wisdom of when to use it and when to not.“

Oram said that when you’re fighting with somebody like Captain America (which Oram didn’t specifically confirm that Iron Man does, but he did entertain the question and answer on a theoretical level), the trick is to show Iron Man using the “minimum force” necessary to win the fight, and not to look like he’s trying to go wild and kill somebody.

— Robert Downey Jr.’s Fight Coordinator Eric Oram On The Unique Challenges of Captain America: Civil War

 

[Infinity9999x]

— Robert Downey Jr.’s Fight Coordinator Eric Oram On The Unique Challenges of Captain America: Civil War

That's what I was thinking while watching the glimpses of action I saw in the trailer. At first, you cant help but think, "Tony could destroy Cap and Bucky," but there's the rub: He's doesn't want to kill them. He's obviously holding back, and while he has a lot of artillery that could probably kill quickly, I doubt he has something that could incapacitate without causing major damage.

 

[Leenie]

Is Cap only making a stance because of Bucky, though? If so, he might be fighting for the wrong reason. I understand that's his best friend (or, "brother," rather), but the willingness to put personal interest on top of protecting citizens and fellow comrades (like a superhero is supposed to do) ... Sounds a wee bit selfish to me.

I get the whole issue of freedom, which is something that I can get behind. However, if Bucky is the catalyst for Cap's motivations, then he isn't exactly the "good guy" or the "right one" in this war ... He's acting on personal interest.

Then you get to Iron Man, and he's obviously going to be motivated by guilt as well. Tony feels responsible for a plethora of things, and he obviously wants to keep that in check and under control ... Which is quite similar to Cap's guilt about Bucky dying.

This movie is already more interesting than the Civil War comics. Iron Man and Captain America are opposite sides of the same coin here, it seems. Their ends might be different, but their means seem to be very similar.

 

[DoubleO88]

I'm sure Cap is fighting for more than just Bucky, Bucky is probably just the cherry on top of everything else that motivates Cap in Civil War.

 

[Leenie]

Finally Tony will get his ass handed to him. Go Cap & Bucky!

Oh jeez. Out of context, these gifs make Cap and Bucky look like bullies! Haha.

 

[Leenie]

I'm sure Cap is fighting for more than just Bucky, Bucky is probably just the cherry on top of everything else that motivates Cap in Civil War.

Then you can argue that Tony's motivations are the cherry on top of everything else as well.

Both are fighting for a cause that they think is best for everyone. Both also have personal interests involved.

Like I said, this is already better than the comics, in my opinion.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

tony funded all this but cap get the blame for leading the avengers. also hiding a former terrorist. which he thinks should'nt be killed by the ones who blame him.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

he tried to save all the people in sokovia but it was tony's fault creating ultron in the first place...i'd be pissed off too

 

[Leenie]

he tried to save all the people in sokovia but it was tony's fault creating ultron in the first place...i'd be pissed off too

And Tony is angry at Cap for hiding the terrorist who was responsible for his parents' demise ... All because that terrorist is Cap's "BFF." If I were Tony, I'd be angry too!

 

[The_Manhunter]

Glad to see Tony calling out Cap in the trailer. Team Iron Man FTW!!!

 

[ernesth100]

Gee wiz they sure gave Stark a spanking.

 

[TalismanRing]

Oh jeez. Out of context, these gifs make Cap and Bucky look like bullies! Haha.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

And Tony is angry at Cap for hiding the terrorist who was responsible for his parents' demise ... All because that terrorist is Cap's "BFF." If I were Tony, I'd be angry too!

is this story official now or did you just made it up? cause i'd consider that as a spoiler and you would'nt like when i'm angry