The Dark Knight The Joker as a result of Scarecrow's Fear Gas?

[Tex Hex]

My main problem with this, and the idea that Mr. J is an escapee from Arkham ,is that in the trailer we see Gordon say "no name, no other alias" as if they just cant finger who he really is-if he came from Arkham they would instantly go "oh, its THAT guy"....I really like thinking that we never know how the Joker becomes the Joker-he's a complete mystery! Any time you try to explain how a guy becomes evil (cough, halloween remake ,cough) its always a disappointing "waaaah, he was abused by his parents, and bullied , and waaaah, this one night this one thing happened waaah" which I think robs them of a bit of credibility-if we have no origin story the Joker can do anything, any crazy messed up plan than could slaughter thousands with sick demented glee, and if we dont know whyhe's doing it or how he got like this the audiences imaginations will be fired up with "what the hell happened that guy that made him SOOOOOO crazy?"

plus Mr. J is the counter point to Batman right? so we the audience know that Batmans costume is his real identity, we are privy to the information of how he came to be etc etc? well, then Mr. J should be the opposite and yet the same-he too wears a costume that is his real identity, but we dont know where he came from, we dont know his motivations, and we dont know what he's capable off....

 

[FhFgJg]

I don't personally think the Joker is affected by the fear toxin, nor do i think he escaped from Arkham. I think it won't be explained as to how he is what he is, but that's the whole beauty. You don't really know why this guy does what he does. He just does it, and to me not explaining it really makes it that scarier.

 

[itsthebatman]

The Man Who Laughs.
Warehouse.
Full of failed "experiments".
Use that scene.

'What the hell is happening to my city?'
Man, I'd love that. In the end, though, The Man Who laughs fails to achieve true greatness because it

Spoiler

relies on that hoary old cliche of 'poisoning the city'.

 

[ronny]

And the fact that The Joker is drawn in a poor way. A very poor way. His skin is blue, his hair is neon green and he still has that stupid string tie thing going on.

 

[Loneranger]

My main problem with this, and the idea that Mr. J is an escapee from Arkham ,is that in the trailer we see Gordon say "no name, no other alias" as if they just cant finger who he really is-if he came from Arkham they would instantly go "oh, its THAT guy"....I really like thinking that we never know how the Joker becomes the Joker-he's a complete mystery! Any time you try to explain how a guy becomes evil (cough, halloween remake ,cough) its always a disappointing "waaaah, he was abused by his parents, and bullied , and waaaah, this one night this one thing happened waaah" which I think robs them of a bit of credibility-if we have no origin story the Joker can do anything, any crazy messed up plan than could slaughter thousands with sick demented glee, and if we dont know whyhe's doing it or how he got like this the audiences imaginations will be fired up with "what the hell happened that guy that made him SOOOOOO crazy?"

plus Mr. J is the counter point to Batman right? so we the audience know that Batmans costume is his real identity, we are privy to the information of how he came to be etc etc? well, then Mr. J should be the opposite and yet the same-he too wears a costume that is his real identity, but we dont know where he came from, we dont know his motivations, and we dont know what he's capable off....

Completely agree. We should only be privy to Batman's back story becuase he is the protaginist. He is us, in a way. Any time you attempt to explain the origin of a villain, it's a little dissappointing to me; once you give the villain back story, that fear is gone. The joker ala Hannibal Lecter shouldn't be given any back story. This makes them even scarier because you don't know why they are the way they are, And Nolan has confirmed that Joker will have no origin or back story. In fact, the prologue is the first six minutes of the film.

 

[spideyman101]

He's not an escapee from Arkham. Though he was there when the fear toxin was released all over the city. And at the same moment one of Maroni's thugs found him and induced by fear he cut him in the cheek leaving one scar on the left side of his face.

A culmination of the fear gas and the pain induced by the cut (and, of course, his insane nature), Joker became the insane man we know him as. He took his knife, cut a slice on the right side of his face to match that on the left, leaving him with a permanent smile.

He was already insane, the fear toxin only made him worse. AKA insaner than insane.

He then put white war paint on his face, added mascara to his eyes and dyed his hair green and then began terrorizing Gotham. To make Maroni "pay" for "creating" him, he began robbing his mob banks to hopefully bribe him. During this one particular robbery he had to kidnap two people at the bank and in the process murdered them. At the scene of the crime he left a "calling card". Gordon picked it up and confronted Batman about it.

"Armed robbery, double homicide... has a taste for the theatrical, like you."

Batman agrees to look into it and soars away.

Two weeks later we come to yet another bank as Joker begins to rob it, little by little killing his own men. Finally he manages to escape with the money by himself...

 

[Kaizer]

'What the hell is happening to my city?'
Man, I'd love that. In the end, though, The Man Who laughs fails to achieve true greatness because it

Spoiler

relies on that hoary old cliche of 'poisoning the city'.

isn't the whole poisoning the city's water-supply a "homage"-sequel-thing to what they say at the end of Year One?

 

[regwec]

The Joker's persona being a result of a failed plot of another, lesser villain would be one final way to cheapen the character and insult his fans.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^ I agree I highly doubt Joker becomes "The Joker" from anything involving the first film.

 

[spideyman101]

I suppose you have a point.

I'm a man of many opinions. Some better than others. I guess having him completely separate from everyone else would be nice. But it would give some sense of continuity... but I guess there's many other ways to do that.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I don't I really like this idea, but it's interesting nonetheless.

 

[The Guard]

Stupid idea. The effects of the fear gas should be used as an "escalation" theme for Gotham itself and nothing else.

 

[Marx]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. What would you guys think IF Joker WAS affected by Scarecrow's fear gas?

Reading back on my post, I actually made it seem like it happened in the movie.

I don't think your idea is too far off. I think it would be a great idea, and it furthers the whole "escalation" line at the end of the movie. (It's very interesting to think that Joker could be a product of the gas, and embody the escalation.) I'd still like to see Joker and Scarecrow duke it out! That would be great!

 

[Figs]

The Joker's persona being a result of a failed plot of another, lesser villain would be one final way to cheapen the character and insult his fans.

Agreed.

Either give him the old acid bath or no origin at all. From what Nolan has said in interviews I highly doubt were going to get any background info on Joker at all. He's just going to be there and cause destruction and mayhem.

 

[Marx]

Agreed.

Either give him the old acid bath or no origin at all. From what Nolan has said in interviews I highly doubt were going to get any background info on Joker at all. He's just going to be there and cause destruction and mayhem.

I do think that no origin whatsoever would be best. Nolan himself has said that Joker is an absolute. But I think it's fun to speculate if Joker was a product of the fear gas plot.

 

[nickyg641]

The Joker's persona being a result of a failed plot of another, lesser villain would be one final way to cheapen the character and insult his fans.

That's how I see it. The Joker being entirely "created" by a lesser villain only cheapens the character.

Since they've gone with the cut smile, I simply prefer the idea that he was a criminal of some sort, a little too unhinged for his own good, and someone gives him the smile. He's believed to be dead, but is in fact alive, and, inspired by Batman, reemerges as the Joker.

And he couldn't possibly be an Arkham inmate, because there would be record of him, and, thus, the GCPD would know who he is immediately when checking his prints.

 

[Figs]

I do think that no origin whatsoever would be best. Nolan himself has said that Joker is an absolute. But I think it's fun to speculate if Joker was a product of the fear gas plot.

It definetly makes you wonder. Since he won't be given a background on why he is that way, at least that leaves it up to the fans to assume that the fear gas could have been one of the reasons, if they want/like to think that way.

That's how I see it. The Joker being entirely "created" by a lesser villain only cheapens the character.

Since they've gone with the cut smile, I simply prefer the idea that he was a criminal of some sort, a little too unhinged for his own good, and someone gives him the smile. He's believed to be dead, but is in fact alive, and becomes inspired by Batman to create the Joker persona.

And he couldn't possibly be an Arkham inmate, because there would be record of him, and, thus, the GCPD would know who he is immediately when checking his prints.

Although I think it would have been better to have made him permawhite I do think that angle works well too. Instead of being stuck looking like that, he chooses to, and all because of Batman. Just like it's mentioned numerous times in the comics how it's most likely because of Batman going out "dressed up" that so many psychos came to Gotham to play.

 

[nickyg641]

So, what would you guys' ideal Joker origin be? I'm curious.

 

[BubbaGump]

Cut the thread maker some slack.

This was a theory when we barely had any information on Heath's Joker or the movie itself, when Socko used to treat me like an ass, and when tickling crotches was all the rage up.

This Joker theory may seem far-fetched now, but there was so much mystery surrounding the production of the movie back then that any kind of speculation was fun.

But at least Nolan didn't ditch the Narrows attack (as seen in the Gotham Times), and the city is still recovering from the effects of that incident. And best of all, I was right about something.

 

[BubbaGump]

So, what would you guys' ideal Joker origin be? I'm curious.

He gets shot in the mouth.

 

[Figs]

So, what would you guys' ideal Joker origin be? I'm curious.

Someone sliced him up and left him for dead.

I don't ever buy the getting shot in the mouth since a bullet hole tear wouldn't be elongated as it is on him. It would make a decent sized round shaped hole in his mouth not a slit.

 

[nickyg641]

In general, I mean, not just TDK's origin. Though I'm partial to the one I stated above for TDK. It seems most logical to me.

And, as for the gun shot would to the face, like Figman, I don't really buy it. His teeth would be blown out, and would leave a gaping hole, rather than some horizontal scar tissue.

 

[Figs]

In general, I mean, not just TDK's origin. Though I'm partial to the one I stated above for TDK. It seems most logical to me.

And, as for the gun shot would to the face, like Figman, I don't really buy it. His teeth would be blown out, and would leave a gaping hole, rather than some horizontal scar tissue.

In general, I always have gone with what the comics mythology has shown.

The whole Red Hood story where he falls into the chemicals.

 

[Marx]

Cut the thread maker some slack.

This was a theory when we barely had any information on Heath's Joker or the movie itself, when Socko used to treat me like an ass, and when tickling crotches was all the rage up.

This Joker theory may seem far-fetched now, but there was so much mystery surrounding the production of the movie back then that any kind of speculation was fun.

But at least Nolan didn't ditch the Narrows attack (as seen in the Gotham Times), and the city is still recovering from the effects of that incident. And best of all, I was right about something.

Even knowing what we all know now, which still isn't all that much, it isn't all that far-fetched to believe that Mr. J was indeed a product of the fear gas plot.. Yeah Nolan said that Joker is an absolute...ok. It's still fun to draw your own conclusions as to what happened to him. We'll never know exactly, but who cares. It's fun

 

[nbond99]

What I want to see is the joker get sprayed with fear gas, only to have absolutely no effect because the joker fears absolutely nothing. Also, I think it would be great if the joker looked like that gif of the arkham asylum joker that was posted.